I decided i'm giving music up...

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[F_or_DEAF] said:
Troup...WHAT EXACTLY ARE YOU EXPECTING THAT YOU ARE NOT GETTING?
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You know, I think that's probably the most insightful things that has been said in this thread.





I haven't quite gotten the success that I'm looking for. I measure that success in influence, I measure it in independence from other entities, I measure it in deals and partnerships...And of course I measure it in revenue.



I haven't reached the level of influence that I want. Yes, I understand it's a work in progress. But up until now, that level of influence has been dependent on other entities (going into #2)...Artists...A&R's....Label Execs...Other Companies...Magazine Execs. Right now, while I'm dependent on THEIR SYSTEM, I can only do what they allow me to do, when they allow me to do it.


And of course, there's completed business dealings. There needs to be more business deals going on. More strategic partnerships. More of the things that make business happen, and continue to happen.

Revenue...of course that's a measure of any businesses success. All of the residual revenue I have coming in is based on other people's ventures....not my own. If I piss off the wrong person at Viacom, my tracks get pulled, and there go my checks. If I piss off the Chris over at the Ad agency, no more of my tracks get submitted for advertising campaigns. And if I get on the wrong side of a label person, my tracks stop going to their artists.

At any given moment, someone could STOP my money, and I'm completely screwed.


THAT'S A PROBLEM FOR ME. That means that OTHER people are controlling my success, and not me.



The success that I'm looking for allows me to be independent of other business entities. Allows me to make the moves that I need to make, when I need to make them. Establishes for me a reputable and recognized brand, who's reach and influence grows.




That's my success. I've achieved those things on some level, but not the level that I would deem success.
 
too many hands in your pockets / dependencies & variables...

it seems like all you "expect" is a "clean" fight without "politics"...

and some notoriety, influence and respect to go along w/ that...

seems fair enough...

But i for one think that there is more "bullshyt" in the "music game" than we are even aware of...and it's that same "bullshyt" that got you thinkin' twice about this shyt...

you sound like a man that has worked his knuckles to the bone, played by the rules, and invested the "required time", but @ the end of the day, the "lying bullshyt-azz (corporate) smoke-and-mirrors machine" breaches their "contract" and keeps it movin' on you...

that's just the picture i get in my head from the outside lookin' in mayne...
 
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[F_or_DEAF] said:
too many hands in your pockets / dependencies & variables...

it seems like all you "expect" is a "clean" fight without "politics"...

and some notoriety, influence and respect to go along w/ that...

seems fair enough...

But i for one think that there is more "bullshyt" in the "music game" than we are even aware of...and it's that same "bullshyt" that got you thinkin' twice about this shyt...

you sound like a man that has worked his knuckles to the bone, played by the rules, and invested the "required time", but @ the end of the day, the "lying bullshyt-azz (corporate) smoke-and-mirrors machine" breaches their "contract" and keeps it movin' on you...

that's just the picture i get in my head from the outside lookin' in mayne...
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I took your saying EXPECT as meaning what my GOALS are.


I expect this game to be what it is. But my definition of success for myself are those things that I've laid out.



What you've said, you've oversimplified things.




Alot of people don't understand where I am or what I'm saying, because alot of those people who are wanting to be in this business, their only PLAN is "MAKE BEETZ AND SOMEHOW GET ON", their only goals are "GET PLACEMINTS AND GET RICH!!"


With those plans and goals, there is no gauge of progress or success. There's just ON or OFF...BLACK or WHITE.




So I'm not mad at the people saying silly stuff in here. It's because they don't understand the position that someone like me is in.
 
Essentially, Troup is tired of being the "employee" and wants to call the shots ie be the BOSS....something everybody wants and you can't sit there and lie that you don't want that regardless of what job you have. Hope it works out for you Troup, I'll be watchin
 
j.troup said:
But my EAR on how to put music TOGETHER is second to NONE on this site. I don't care WHO you are.
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I disagree. I think Mysto and Pizzi are second to none on this site (yeah I know, only Mysto posts here). They have that damn Geico commercial playing every damn hour on TV. They have placements. They have endorsement deals. They have talent. They work with talented song writers. They material sounds up to date.

If you spent all that time (6 to 7 years, countless hours, only took two breaks in that time span) and only cranked out what Ive heard from you (beats and songs) thus far, then I dont know what to say. Most of your beats are medicore at best, the same with your songs. Im not throwing any jabs, just being honest. I always thought producing wasnt your lane. I think you should focus on another aspect of music. I dont know...A&R, Executive Prodocer, CEO, something else since you do pocess vast knowlege.

But you dont want your career in the hands of others. You dont want your money being dependant on labels or whatever. You want to control your destiny. But look at what trying to work with the labels and controling your destiny has gotten you, on the brink of quiting. Banking on this last venture. What Rome said is true. Your biggest flaw is not working with others. Trying to do everything yourself.
 
When you call your shot, and go on record with it, it motivates your ass like nothing else.

O-H-I-O!!!
 
too much typ'n...Troup go on ustream man and talk it out... this is hurt'n my eyes fellas... alot of people feel strongly about there music... Go on cam bro and we can get it in...
 
Topic: What's left for producers/artist in this changing industry...
 
j.troup said:
That means that OTHER people are controlling my success, and not me..
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People ALWAYS have attempted to control your success....

j.troup said:
Dude, I grew up on WELFARE. FOOD STAMPS. Standing in line for HOURS for that government CHECK.

We lived in the PROJECTS. Our walls, stairs and floors were CONCRETE. We had ROACHES.

We had to go to the LAUNDRYMAT with TOKENS.


I grew up poor as hell too, and my mama and daddy didn't have anything to give to me...


except faith in God, alot of love, alot of ass whoopins, and a respect for education.



And that's how I got here.....
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And you didn't let them stop you then...

Sounds like you're almost where you wanna be playboy...you ARE beating the odds...Don't let em stop you now.




"Everybody can't be king boy, you gotta wait your turn"-Mac Dre
 
j.troup said:
Rome asked an excellent question...


I'm gon quit right when the regular music industry is going out of the window, and it's about to be a free for all...The Gold Rush of the 1800's. Anybody with a pick axe and a wagon can roll out to Cali and get rich!


Anybody ever put their ABSOLUTE ALL into something?



It's kinda like this. Kobe busted his ass ALL SEASON. Tried this, tried that. Planned and re-planned. He won some, he lost some. And now he's in the finals...

And if it comes down to game 7...3 seconds left...Lakers down by 1, and they inbound that ball to him, and he takes that 15 footer and misses...

He's gonna be sad. He's gonna be pissed. But he's gonna walk away knowing that he left it ALL on the court. He had nothing else to give.


And he's gonna have a feeling of satisfaction. Because even though it didn't end up the way he wanted it to, he's gonna have a feeling of satisfaction that he gave it his EVERYTHING.


And he's gonna enjoy his summer.


I'm the same way.


If I miss this shot, I'm gonna turn and walk off the court, sad but content and relieved.


And I'm gonna go get my life back.




I really don't think most of you understand what kind of sacrifice and commitment chasing this music thing really, truly takes...because the work that about 97% of you are putting in, ISN'T ENOUGH.
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kobe is also gonna come back out next season and work just as hard though
 
just take **** day by day..

just by you premeditating it.. your putting more pressure on yourself..

keep up the work fam..

cant spell impossible without "I'm Possible"
 
"They say if you love it, you should let it out its cage
And f*@k it, if it comes back you know it’s there to stay"
 
the only way to have real power and influence in america is to have plenty money...start accepting some of those placements and deals your turning down and let the money build...its a "one step at a time process"
 
[F_or_DEAF] said:
Troup...

who is holding you back besides yourself?
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anyone can give everything up to follow music, not everyone will be successful, but once you make the leap and give it your all, how good your music is plays a huge roll. Troup seems to have the marketing part down pat, so the question is. . . is troups music good enough?



the clock is ticking
 
newuser1 said:
the only way to have real power and influence in america is to have plenty money...start accepting some of those placements and deals your turning down and let the money build...its a "one step at a time process"
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co-sign...
 
[F_or_DEAF] said:
Troup...

who is holding you back besides yourself?
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There's nothing holding me back. I'm going full steam ahead. I'm sitting here working on this IndustrySound.com site right now, as we speak.


But before, when I was chasing the majors, it was the way the system is set up that was stopping me. HEARING actual people say "Troup we love u, love your music, but unless you agree to this, it's a no", really did something to me...

It motivated me. It inspired me. It showed me that I am indeed good enough, and that there is a market for what I do...on a major scale.



It also taught me that this business isn't about WHO HAS THE HOTTEST BEATS. It's about business deals. It's about relationships.

It's about MONEY.



So to those people commenting on my beats, thank you for showing that you know dick about the way the music industry works.


Your success may hinge on "beets", but mine doesn't.


That's the difference between me and u.




So back to what's holding me back? For the first time in 6 years, absolutely nothing...


And that's why if I fail this time, I have nowhere else to go. Because I'm in total control, 100%, from beginning to end.




And to those saying I've always tried to do things myself, it's not that at all. I've tried to bring in SO many people over the past 6 years of doing this...

And every single one of them has flaked up and fallen by the wayside. Because nobody has the dedication that I have to this. Nobody has had the drive or the passion that I have.

So I have to put myself on first, and then other people will get "serious"...

Cuz 0's on a check make people get serious real fcuking quick.
 
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