Hypersonic

[KomplexBeats]

you're going to get latency unless you're working with a soundcard that can use asio drivers...

usb for midi can be horrendous especially if its usb 1.0

if you can enable asio drivers then do it, if you can't then i suggest you invest in a new soundcard.

what are you using now as a soundcard?

 

[L. A. Stone]

One last thing:

I'm still experiencing delays when playing my midi controller (piano) in realtime: When I press a key, there is a small delay until the PC speakers play the note back. My DirectSound properties in FL Studio are set at a buffer length of 9ms (it was up over 40ms until now). This is the lowest I can go before underruns make their noise. How can I get a flawless DirectSound connection? Besides buying a new soundcard

Also, pls direct me to some demos of hip hop beats done using hypersonic plz

DirectSound won't cut it. You gotta get a somewhat respectable card with ASIO drivers. The SB Lives and cards that ship with computers are never good enough.

The only hypersonic demos I have are the two that came with Cubase SX3. They're actual song files that show exactly how the songs were built. The hypersonic parts are actually audio tracks but they're labled "hypersonic" which must mean they were created on hypersonic before being converted to audio tracks. Good luck with the audio card. To be honest though, 9ms isn't too bad and this is another area where FL Studio shines. You wouldn't get any kind of joy using DirectX drivers in Cubase. Sonar is best with WDM drivers so you could probably get good latency using Sonar and that particular sound card but I can't say that for certain. I used an SB Live Value card for years with FL Studio and was not too distracted with the latency. I had it set at 11ms at best.

 

[illapino]

well thanks for everything LA

If anyone has or know where any hip hop beats are that were created with hypersonic, shout me a holla dunn

 

[illapino]

Wait

You know how there are underruns while using a midi controller in FL? Well, do those underruns stay in the song itself after being recorded? I'm running at the lowest buffer I can (9ms) but I still notice tiny crackles in the song after recording (i think) which were there while I was recording a melody (i think).

And I don't see no Recording funtion in FL. Besides recording Midi info, there is no way to record actual wavs into FL itself. Or am I blind? If I'm not blind, and if FL really were able to record live instruments, then I don't get why you (and the other guy) would use Cubase to record your Motif rack when FL can do it like you said it can . . .

 

[L. A. Stone]

Wait

You know how there are underruns while using a midi controller in FL? Well, do those underruns stay in the song itself after being recorded? I'm running at the lowest buffer I can (9ms) but I still notice tiny crackles in the song after recording (i think) which were there while I was recording a melody (i think).

And I don't see no Recording funtion in FL. Besides recording Midi info, there is no way to record actual wavs into FL itself. Or am I blind? If I'm not blind, and if FL really were able to record live instruments, then I don't get why you (and the other guy) would use Cubase to record your Motif rack when FL can do it like you said it can . . .

I was telling you the other day why I personally use Cubase to handle my Motif Rack. FL is cool and deserves credit for dabbling in things like recording and editing audio and being able to sequence a hardware module, but Cubase goes the whole nine yards in these areas. No workarounds to worry about, everything is setup for real.

I don't know if you're blind or not, but bro, the audio recording was the single biggest and most talked about new feature update when FL hit version 5 I believe. If you've been over by their website, you can't miss the advertising on the very first page showing and talking about the audio recording. The last two demo songs for the last 2 years have been full songs featuring full vocals all laid out in the playlist like just like Cubase. I can't imagine how you've managed to not notice any of this. So, yes, FL does indeed record vocals, it does indeed record the sound from a hardware module. How serious FL is about these things is the sticking point. FL is at the point of "dabbling" in these things while Cubase, Sonar, Logic, and other full sequencers have implemented these things to serious degrees. You can still get it done in FL, but of course Cubase can record and edit audio better. Of course Cubase can handle a Motif Rack better. Cubase is the only program that has the new Yamaha Studio Manager plugin which allows total recall in projects made with Cubase and hardware. The studio manager recalls all the settings on the hardware when you open the song project. It's new and it's cool, but it's currently full of bugs and even Yamaha is calling it the first step. But it does work. Good Luck.

 

[illapino]

So you're saying that, when you work with the Motif Rack through Cubase, you don't have to save individual Multis on the rack because of this total recall technology?

Nice. That would be an awesome set-up. Then again, music production is distracting me from the degree I'm supposed to be getting myself so I have to resist splurging more grands on a hobby that may destroy me.

Hey I think I'm only going to use Hypersonic for entire songs. At first I was going to still pattern drums using FL's sequencer, but mixing them is always tragic in the end. So I finally tried using the piano roll while using the "Hip Hop American 1" patch and am moved. I'm going to convert all of my beats to this format. But: by doing this, will I no longer have to worry about mixing (since Hypersonic has automatic FX set initially)? When using FL's sequencer to do drums, it was mandatory to mix it in the FX at the end, but I just wana hear someone tell me that I no longer have to mix at all thanks to Hypersonic.
?

PS, please rename Steinberg to Yamaha

 

[L. A. Stone]

So you're saying that, when you work with the Motif Rack through Cubase, you don't have to save individual Multis on the rack because of this total recall technology?

Yes and no. Yes, it does have total recall as advertised. But no, because it's so far, very buggy as I kind of expected. I'm waiting since yesterday for a call from Yamaha to see if they will have anything to offer in regards to all this crazy behavior.

Hey I think I'm only going to use Hypersonic for entire songs. At first I was going to still pattern drums using FL's sequencer, but mixing them is always tragic in the end. So I finally tried using the piano roll while using the "Hip Hop American 1" patch and am moved. I'm going to convert all of my beats to this format. But: by doing this, will I no longer have to worry about mixing (since Hypersonic has automatic FX set initially)?

Hmmm. I wouldn't say that. If what you do with Hypersonic and drums happens to sound great, then fine, but there's no gaurantee of great results without any mixing on your part. There's more to mixing that FX although the Hypersonic stuff will be professionally and tastefully done. For me, I find that I like to have less reverb than both Hypersonic and my Motif usually have set up.

Edit: Nevermind, I thought tech support had solved the problem, but it's not solved.

 

[kingartha]

hmmm...I can't wait to post some of my material I've done with HYPERSONIC so I can convert some doubters of this program...

I have programmed some of the BEST drums on this thing EVER MADE including anywhere FP. They sound crisp as pringles maynnnnn. And mixing is easier on HYPERSONIC, but you still have to mix with WHATEVER program you use on YOUR part. No program or VST will magically mix by itself.

>>>>>Drums are the MOST important instrument when it comes to a beat.

 

[dmensah1]

i use hypersonic along with Reason 3.0 rewired to FL for hiphop. be it dre style stuff, or grimey mobb deep ish, or southern music that gets ya buck, hypersonic is great for that. one thing that makes your music great with hypersonic is layering patches.

FL's midi editing and copy/paste command makes this very easy to do which is why i use Reason's modules within FL. hypersonic is so freaking easy to use i rarely have to use Reason 3, even tho the patches in there, especially the combinator ones are a lil better.

theres a hell of a lot more sound diversity with Reason too, but thats expected. if you want to see what stock Hypersonic/FL can do then check out this track I submitting for allhiphop.com's mixtape.


http://www.soundclick.com/bands/9/dmensha_music.htm

its called IC mixtape track

 

[illapino]

Thanks for the uplifting. I do like Hypersonic now and ahve even decided to do everything using it, abandoning FL's step sequencer completely for the piano roll even for drums.

One thing. Do you guys ever have to load Hypersonic after loading a song in FL? Coz whenever I load my songs in FL, all the Hypersonic channels are defunct and I have to press the master Hypersonic channel and see the plug-in interface for its sounds to activate...

One person told me to just press the channel everytime (and to that I say Hell No) and another person claimed to have never experienced this.

Whats up?

 

[BJv]

Thanks for the uplifting. I do like Hypersonic now and ahve even decided to do everything using it, abandoning FL's step sequencer completely for the piano roll even for drums.

One thing. Do you guys ever have to load Hypersonic after loading a song in FL? Coz whenever I load my songs in FL, all the Hypersonic channels are defunct and I have to press the master Hypersonic channel and see the plug-in interface for its sounds to activate...

One person told me to just press the channel everytime (and to that I say Hell No) and another person claimed to have never experienced this.

Whats up?

Hypersonic is a good Wizoo tool but it has some Steinberg ways I've been having this problem too, I just click on the channel before I press play, it takes 5 seconds of your time. BUT I would be happy to see you complain about this issue at wizoo's official forum : http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=35

I've posted about it there before but the error wasnt fixed when they released a new update

 

[kingartha]

Yeah...that delay is a biotch! But u do learn to get used to it....Happens in nuendo to. But the Ease of VST makes up for the Delay (Pressing of the channel I mean.)

>>>>With the good, there's a catch.

 

[dexters lab]

LA,my question is why the motif over the fantom?

Im debating right now about this?

the fantom with the srx cards ...

you cant compare hypersonics sound quality to any of the 3 biog workstations.

hypersonics sound quality is crushed by sampletank alone,

but

for ease of use hypersonic is wonderful.

i always attributed my frustrations to the tools i had....
after a music theory course,and some more experience with the tool
I don't say it was what i was using but the lack of understanding.....

I used hypersonic to structure a lot of beats,Once i get the components to re-build my studio,I will export the midi files and put them in a different workstation.

btw do you feel that the sx3 upgrade is a huge step up from sx2,if your not using the yamaha features?

thats another debat im having again.
cubase sx3 vs PT m-powered.
then what pc interface should I get....

damn

 

[L. A. Stone]

LA,my question is why the motif over the fantom?

LOL. Bro, I wanted that Fantom with all my heart and soul, but I got the Motif when they had their memorial day sale or whatever holiday that was, and, it was about 300 bucks cheaper than the Fantom. I told myself that since I was getting the Rack, I could pick up the Fantom later anyway. Probably much later, but I definately wanted that fantom, probably more than the Motif Rack Es. Really though, they have so many sounds that are similar that after spending an hour demoing both, I couldn't really say that one was hands down better than the other, soundwise. That was my main reason for going the hardware route. Better quality sounds than what I was generally getting from software. Either one of those fits that bill all day long.

you cant compare hypersonics sound quality to any of the 3 biog workstations.

hypersonics sound quality is crushed by sampletank alone,

We definately disagree on all of that. Sampletank ain't worth the disc space on my hard drives as far as I'm concerned. Hypersonic is the ONLY software sound module that I felt was giving the Motif Rack Es a run for it's money. For real. I was comparing similar sounds to similar sounds and as I went back and forth I eventually couldn't tell which one I was playing, the Motif or Hypersonic. Hypersonic is easily the very best there is in software in every way that's important. Better sounds, better workflow, and amazingly, patches load instantly regardless of the size of the patches. Sampletank routinely crashed while loading large patches and Hypersonic has no such problem. Sampletank has more sounds, but quality is far more important than sheer bulk of mediocre, characterless, sounds with awful FX.

btw do you feel that the sx3 upgrade is a huge step up from sx2,if your not using the yamaha features?

That's hard to say for someone else. A good amount of the new features aren't all that attractive to me. Like the "in place piano roll editor". I'm not really interested in that because I like working in a nice large piano roll, not one that is squeezed into a window full of other stuff. I haven't learned how to really use "Play Order Tracks" yet so I can't really say if I'm interested in that or not. The've made a few minor improvements to the piano roll which bring it to where it should have been years ago. Time Stretching and Pitch shifting is better in Fruity Loops believe it or not, and it's not a big interest for me either way. In FL I might have used it more, but not the minimal implementation in SX3. The Midi Device Panels might be something I'm gonna look into but so far I haven't. The better freeze and the ability to use external FX like plugins is all very interesting but there are supposed to be a lot more new stuff, plus 3.1, a free upgrade is coming in August according to Steinberg. It's supposed to have plenty more features added.

But if you get a hardware module like the Fantom, then Cubase, now owned by Yamaha, with Yamaha Studio Manager for Total Recall, is gonna be very attractive for that reason alone. Total Recall is not perfectly flawless, but it's almost flawless. I can set up a beat with 16 individual tracks from the Motif Rack Es, and various plugin Instruments and FX. Make all kinds of adjustments to those individual instruments, save it, and when I load that project up again, Studio Manager sends all the setup back out to the Motif Rack and it all comes back together like VST instruments and FX. Definately a good thing.

thats another debat im having again.
cubase sx3 vs PT m-powered.
then what pc interface should I get....

damn

Another tough choice. Both have strengths and weaknesses. For midi editing and handling, SX3 is as good as anything gets while PT is known to be very weak in this area. But PT is the industry standard. Cubase eats ridiculous system resources. Don't know about PT, but Sonar is nothing like that and neither was Logic on the PC. Good luck in your decision.

 

[dexters lab]

good lookin wit the reply

i dislike ST but I feel the string and brass sounds walk on hypersonic.

but i love orchestral sounds so im a tough critic,

regardless workflow is my #1 importance,and hypersonic = great workflow....ideas flowed easier.

but
we differ in the aspect of saying hypersonic compares with the motif.

maybe you have been eq'n and editing your patches,i didnt at all.

but when i compared my beats[hypersonic] with my homies[motifs]
he walked all over my ****.
only because his **** in my opinion had better sounds.

his sequences couldn't fuct wit mine though,so i plan to export all my hyper midis from FL and load em in the fantom or motif....

I been waitin to get the fantom-s and now im ready,and they're only 2 left in the nation at guitar center but they're floor models and they want 1300,I laughed at that ****,plus I had to pay S&H,and buy a hard case to get it shipped in.

wow 1300 for the floor modle thats probally been the store demo since the fantom-s first popped on the scene? thats a used keyboard IMHO.

needless to say im trying to get one used else where.

then grab the motif rack es later down the line.
build a new "daw" and shiiiiit all i can say is look out.

peace,LA

peace,yall

 

[dmensah1]

hypersonics stuff sounds warmer and more vibrant than the stock stuff in Sampletank if you ask me. but ST can have some really good stuff if one tweaks em, my boy who has it says it took him some time to make them not sound so thin and lifeless. as for the motif vs hypersoinc thing, well you gotta keep in mind if youre not using a pro soundcard and youre not using a higher bit-rate in FL (i set mine to 256), your stuff wont sound as good. its all in the A/D convertors and effects that you use on your patches. I do feel the motif is the better buy, theres a lot of variety/quality in the patches there and the synthesis abilities are greater.

 

[illapino]

this may be basic midi, but how do I make it so that when I play my midi controller, the velocities of the notes will stay, say, above 80 in the piano roll I'm recording to? (With hypersonic they keep lingering around the 70s, too low)
thnx

 

[L. A. Stone]

hypersonics stuff sounds warmer and more vibrant than the stock stuff in Sampletank if you ask me. but ST can have some really good stuff if one tweaks em, my boy who has it says it took him some time to make them not sound so thin and lifeless. as for the motif vs hypersoinc thing, well you gotta keep in mind if youre not using a pro soundcard and youre not using a higher bit-rate in FL (i set mine to 256), your stuff wont sound as good. its all in the A/D convertors and effects that you use on your patches.

I wouldn't put too much worry in soundcards and what sequencer you're using and I promise you that you can't pass that taste test of which loop was created on which sequencer, which soundcard or whatever. It all sounds exactly the same. I'm currently using SX3, but I used FL for many years alongside versions of SX3, and Reason and another sequencer or two. I've never been able to hear a difference between the outputs of any of them. They all sound exactly like they did in the sequencer. I also had the Emulator X deal that advertised that it had the A/D convertors from a Pro Tools system. It sounds exactly the same as my other cards at the time. No difference at all.

The Motif does have better quality patches in general than Hypersonic, but I'm saying, not all of them. The "sound" of Hypersonic's patches were of equal quality in most cases, it's the programmed playability where things are different. This is as important as the sound itself. This is what makes an instrument sound real instead of a bunch of static patches in Sampletank which respond only to velocity/volume changes and nothing else. There's a flute on the Motif for example that is just amazing. You hit it just right, it does trills. Hit it another way and it does some mouth noises, vibrato, etc. You won't find anything remotely like that in ST. Hypersonic is the one soft module which made the best effort of this. That makes all the difference in the world. I believe in general, soft modules are just trying to sell people on the sheer bulk number of patches. You get 40 million flat static patches that when you play them, you spend a lot of effort hiding them in a mix so that they don't sound so fake. You hit one note and sure it sounds like a horn. You "play" it and it's a totally different story. Which sounds better, a midi sequence being played on a state of the art trumpet patch recorded with the utmost sound quality 24bit etc, or a real trumpet player on a 1962 recording playing the same sequence? That says it all right there.

 

[L. A. Stone]

this may be basic midi, but how do I make it so that when I play my midi controller, the velocities of the notes will stay, say, above 80 in the piano roll I'm recording to? (With hypersonic they keep lingering around the 70s, too low)
thnx

I don't know to do it beforehand, but you could fix it after you've recorded it in FL. Select the notes or a group of notes and hit Alt/X. There are 3 adjustments in there. Between the three, you can achieve exactly what you want. Offset will bring them all up or all down with respect to each other. "Tension" and "Multiply" will bring the notes closer to each other. You will get them all above a certain velocity and while still staying relative to each other.

 

[BJv]

well you gotta keep in mind if youre not using a pro soundcard and youre not using a higher bit-rate in FL (i set mine to 256), your stuff wont sound as good. its all in the A/D convertors and effects that you use on your patches.

Sinc (depths 64, 128, 256) method provides the highest quality interpolation of all methods, but is also very slow. This method is too slow for realtime playback. It is recommended that you use it for your final rendering only. NOTE: The interpolation used for exporting audio files is set in the export dialog, you do not need to modify the interpolation in your audio settings.