how to get SP1200 sound without an SP1200

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what's up everybody, this is my first post at FP. i really like what i see so far. this is the start of what may be a migration from the mpc forums seeing as how my learning curve is reaching a plateau over there.

here's something i posted over there a few months back. it had a little controversy but the end results speak for themselves - how to get SP1200 sound in a mixdown without an SP.

"Sonic Decimator (TM)


The Sonic Decimator allows you to reduce the apparent sample rate or bit-depth of your sound file. This is an excellent way to re-create the sound of the first generation of digital sampling devices. At moderate settings, it can create a "low-fi" effect, as though the sound was being processed by a low-budget sampler. At extreme settings, large amounts of hiss and distortion, as well as intense aliasing effects are added to the sound.
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THE TRICK:


--> you can recognize it a mile off - the high end, sweet and sexy little distortion on basses, mids, drums - everything. the "SP sparkle" is one of the greatest sounding elements in the sampler world - which is funny, because it's actually a lower quality, bastardized version of the original sound wave...but it's so SWEET.

for years i didn't know where it came from. i studied all the greats, listened to the sparkle and heard it again and again, from a variety of places. i used to be a computer producer (acid pro, then reason) and i went through several hundred DX plugin chains to try and find it.

then i bought my mpc1000 to enter the world of samplers. i also hoped that maybe there was a filter or something to achieve that sound. no luck, but no problem anyway- i just constructed my **** around it.

then one fine afternoon it hit me. i accidently clicked the wrong dx plugin in acid while freaking a sample for my mpc by mistake and all the sudden the SP1200 sound was there--or something acceptably close to what i heard from the famed instrument.

this plugin is called the Hyperprism Sonic Decimator. you can control how sparkly you want it - from the point where the distortion overcomes the sound or to the other extreme, where it's just icing on a beat cake. i downloaded this program as an H20 try before you buy bootleg, and i plan to buy the next update.

for all of you who like the sound and taste of the sp1200 but want a bigger sample time, this is for you. you have 2 options - you can apply it to your samples in acid or cubase before you export them to your mpc, or you can put the effect on when you track out to mix in cubase/acid/whatever.

it makes basslines ring so nice!!! and the drums...oh the drums...give it a try and tell me what you think.
 
hey, welcome to FP!

sorry, but i think, that this is not really true...

the SP1200 works with a 12bit resolution, but in my opinion, the special sound has 2 other reasons:

- the crazy shufflings and "groove" setting possibilities.

- and the unique AD/DA-converters, they don't sound like a standart sound-12bit output. the converters are specialy build for 12bit and sound better than those on some modern 16-bit consumer soundcards.

I think a simple decimation will not help. The ringing you hear is nothing else than aliasing. the special "sound" of hiphop (and the beats too) is mainly achieved with a professional multitrack tape machine...
 
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"- the crazy shufflings and "groove" setting possibilities."

i'm not talking about the programming element, i'm talking about the actual sound itself.

and yes the converters ARE unique to the SP1200. very unique, and hard as hell to replicate.

however, try this above method. i absolutely love work done with the sp1200...i can pick it out of a lineup.

the sonic decimation trick may not go about it the same way but it does create something that sounds similar to the sp1200's sonic value - the crispness and the sparkle. give it a try if you get a chance - it's worth a shot, for sure. and even if you disagree that the end result sounds like an sp, it still sounds cool - and can be freaked however you want it to be.

thanks for the warm welcome, i hope my stay here is as fruitful as a brief scanning of post titles has promised to be.
 
I believe a friend of mine owns this plugin, so I will give it a try! I let you...
 
I've been using the direct x version of that plugin for about a month now and it's true it does have that classic 12-Bit sound produced by the SP-1200 but if you really want to nail it this is what I suggest.

First make sure your samples are recorded in 24-Bit mode then feed them through the sonic decimator set at 12-Bits and 22,050Khz then add the Ring Modulator but make sure the level on the ring modulator is low. This will give you a more percise simulation of the The Classic SP-1200 sound because what a lot of people don't realized is that the AD/DA converters in the SP-1200 are actually flawed. That where the ring modulator comes in.

I had a few friends who are SP-1200 owners come over and they were very impressed. There are other Bit Reducers out there that can do the job but Hyperprism's Sonic Decimator has a more authentic SP-1200 like sound when it comes to Kicks and Snares but for Hi-Hats/Cymbals I prefer MDA's Degrade and when it comes to reducing Bass E-Phonic's LOFI is the best.

Another tip is to run your reduced sounds through a good multiband Tape/Saturation plugin like the PSP Vintage Warmer.
 
very very nice, thank you for the tips. glad to know someone is ahead of me in this particular trick - i will try to accumulate these plugins and give it a try for myself.

kicks and snares do sound great through it, don't they? you're right about the hats, though - it seems to just turn em to mush if you're not careful.
 
unfortunately it's not a freeware program. i would suggest h20ing it or purchasing it. it's worth it to have in your arsenal.
 
I like your song, it has a very unique style! I still didn`t try out the plugin. You`re right, it`s pretty damn convincing......
 
Egopanic said:
I like your song, it has a very unique style! I still didn`t try out the plugin. You`re right, it`s pretty damn convincing......

True Dat
 
I've had hyperprism for around 4 years now and I figured out this trick around a year ago when I really sought after that sp1200 sound. I thought this was my secret....lol Guess not. Check out some of my tracks to hear how good this works. It's very noticeable on Get About Your Business.
www.soundclick.com/cameronthomas
 
i know about it too but never used it that much but what setting gives the best results.
 
If EMU/Ensoniq was smart they do another one but make the sequencer compete with the MPC and the sound warm like the ASR-X. and call it the SP2400. I'd buy that in a heartbeat.
 
I'm not positive but I don't think that emu/ensoniq is around anymore. I'm pretty sure that emu is a division of creative. You know the guys who make the cheapo soundcards "soundblaster". Sad but everyone is getting bought out. Sonic Foundry now owned by Sony. Steinberg is now a division of yamaha. The only buy out I'm not completely mad about is Adobe buying out syntrillium. I think Adobe makes some quality products and although they are huge they still keep that smaller company mentality.
 
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