How Important are Rap "Doubles/Ad-libs/Emphasis"?

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I am producing an album for a rapper, and for some of the tracks he did not record an adlib/double/emphasis. How important are these background vocals? Does it get boring if it is only the main vocal and nothing else? Or is really not noticeable if the rapper and beat are really good on their own?
 
Almost every hip-hop track I've heard in a while have had ad-libs..they normally fill in the empty space that just the vocals leave. Granted, there's no set rules (except if it sounds good it is good) but if you listen back and it's "missing something" then that might be it.
 
I am producing an album for a rapper, and for some of the tracks he did not record an adlib/double/emphasis. How important are these background vocals? Does it get boring if it is only the main vocal and nothing else? Or is really not noticeable if the rapper and beat are really good on their own?

Adlibs are a style popularized by Eminem, not every rapper does it nor is it neccessary for every rapper to do it. I'm not clear what you mean by recording an emphasis? He doesn't put emphasis in any of his words? By doubles i'm guessing you mean doubling up the vocals in some spots, you could probably do that on your end with 1 set of vocals if you think it needs it. Instead of adlibs you can try to add sound effects to it.
 
Doubling is very important in my opinion.
Imagine Just a dream from Nelly without the doubles (and the ad-libs). They do so much for that vocal production.
Get someone else to rap/sing pitched up doubles?
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Extremely important... they remove the "lonely man swag" from your song with the quickness
 
Depends on the track and the feel you want for it, Jay-z, Nas, Drake etc rarely use adlibs and when they do, its usually just on the hooks to add that "oomph"!
 
Extremely important... they remove the "lonely man swag" from your song with the quickness

I think he was talking about layering vocals on top of each other. If he was commenting on him not switching in and out of 32nds in his rapping that would be a stylistic comment that i don't think he has a place to tell him to do as the producer.
 
Personally I think that doubling makes the voice richer and fills the tracks up more. Also as someone stated, ad-libs fill the empty voids in a track and makes everything come together.
 
Adlibs are a style popularized by Eminem.

No kidding? 8-10 years after Pac? Not saying Pac even invented/popularized them(people did used to do a good Pac impression with them though *cough* Master P), but definitely not Em. Why do we constantly try to pretend he invented anything hip hop? His entire second original style was ripped from Cam'ron's "Confessions" after his 1st(Infintie EP) was ripped from Nas(his words). PAC WAS ONE OF HIS BIGGEST INFLUENCES(again, his words).
 
To the original question, depends on your style. Adlibs/doubles can make or break your vocal recordings depending on if they need it. I've recorded so many artists who don't understand depending on the track your vocals can stand on their own with 1 good take who have drowned out other elements of great songs with too many tracks of nonsense they refuse to even let you turn down to subtle levels because they think everyone wants to hear "yeah! Uh huh! Let's go!" over everything else. It can make for very unprofessional recordings when done wrong. I suggest you throw on a pair of headphones and really listen to the ins and outs of vocal performances on records in the same lane as what you want to do. I've heard very few big recordings smothered in adlibs/doubles, but everyone swears it's a professional technique.
 
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I've heard very few big recordings smothered in adlibs/doubles, but everyone swears it's a professional technique.
Good post!
And to the quote; ad-libs/doubles are brilliant when professionally done yes. Guess it takes a good ear to decide when/how and to to mix it well.
 
No kidding? 8-10 years after Pac? Not saying Pac even invented/popularized them(people did used to do a good Pac impression with them though *cough* Master P), but definitely not Em. Why do we constantly try to pretend he invented anything hip hop? His entire second original style was ripped from Cam'ron's "Confessions" after his 1st(Infintie EP) was ripped from Nas(his words). PAC WAS ONE OF HIS BIGGEST INFLUENCES(again, his words).

You're a funny dude. Your hatred for him is so irrational. Anyone mentions him doing anything and you crap your pants. Pac didn't use adlibs that much, maybe a little to add his little speeches like in changes 3:18 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nay31hvEvrY but Em used them a lot in humorous way and i would say well and after him everyone started using them, so yeah he popularized them, get over it.
 
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^^^I'm actually probably a bigger Em fan than you. Why else would I know where he has said out of his own mouth he learned the crazy shyt he does from? I'm always tuned in when dude talks, amazing MC. The reason I to quote you "crap my pants", is because Em tells you where he gets influences from and fan boys still overlook them and say he "popularized things" in a culture simply because they never followed it before he did it. "Pac didn't use adlibs that much"? You must've never heard Pac. You reference "Changes"? A song that was made out of half finished verses after his death? No way you have and come to the conclusion "Pac didn't use adlibs that much". He'd talk underneath an entire song, lol. So, yeah, you got all the answers. No need to further converse, never even knew we had on the subject in the past, but not surprised, Em sounds like the 1st rapper you ever listened to from how YOU talk.

I take nothing away from Em, I just refuse to let people who know nothing beyond his work spread B.S. that he invented/popularized things he didn't. No different than if you said anyone else popularized or invented something they absolutely didn't. I even gave examples of Pac impersonators with tons of adlibs that outdated Em's debut. Go find a full body of work from Pac where adlibs don't smother it for the most part. Alot happened in hip hop before 1999. I guess we don't remember Diddy doing Adlibs for his artists and all the other producers doing the same to sound like him either? Busta Rhymes? Noreaga(CNN)? B.I.G.? Outkast? Lost Boyz? Fugees? Redman? DMX? Seriously??? I'm giving you the famous guys and you still tellin me Em did it 1st, lol. A technique that has existed as long as hip hop has been recorded(same reason you get hype men on stage) and been practiced in other genres even before that, like as long as multitracking has existed, but "Em popularized it"? :cheers:

Edit: And just saw your sig, even quotin bruh there, you love that dude in unhealthy ways....I get it now. It's you, not me. I'll still argue that Em is the most lyrical MC of all times. That doesn't mean he invented/popularized punchlines.

1st song off All Eyez On Me. 1996 9x Platinum(only outsold by 1 Eminem album if memory serves me correct).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8p9jSRxguAA

And Pac is one of my least favorite hip hop artist while I own every CD Em has released. Go figure.
 
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I quote random dudes and change it up, i had a Louis C.K. quote under there about 3 weeks ago.

fan boys still overlook them and say he "popularized things" in a culture simply because they never followed it before he did it.

Do you see how you just disproved yourself there? Look at how many records Eminem has sold compared to Pac and see if you can see a connection why he might have popularized a few things where older artists may have failed. I just sent you that link of one of Pacs most popular songs and how many did he use there? 2 or 3?

I listen to everyone, here's my youtube playlist: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K3AiAem9JLQ&list=PLXn9zv0CMUiemcRiNo-lBvbW9mblTvoGE&feature=mh_lolz i wasn't saying he invented shit i said he popularized it, seeing as he's about 22nd on the highest number of records sold List of best-selling music artists - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
Now you're stretching. He's barely sold more than Pac. And how has he popularized hip hop more than Pac, B.I.G./Puff, DMX, Busta, Fugees, Onyx, Outkast, ect combined to a point that ALL of them doing adlibs meant nothing until he did it? That's just ridiculous. He hadn't sold a 10th of what that list I just gave combined sold before he existed at a time when he would've been "popularizing the practice"(MMLP?). But they're all practicing "his technique" years before him. And he sold to an audience that isn't walking into a booth doing adlibs. You think the Cheef Keef and Rich Homies of today are influenced to adlib because of Em? You think engineers say "what would em do" before recording backing tracks? Can't be serious!

Seems to me like he may have had a foundation for what he did(especially when even he admits so).
 
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I never said adlibs were nothing until Eminem did it, i said he popularized them for rap (i'll add, specifically at this period in time). Look how many new rappers say they're influenced by Eminem now, look at the style in which they use adlibs. "how has he popularized hip hop more than Pac, DMX, Busta, Fugees, Onyx, Outkast,
ect combined" another thing i didn't say.

Let me show you what time does to relevance

Here's one of Pac's most popular songs:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Do5MMmEygsY

Here's one of Eminem's older more popular songs:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJO5HU_7_1w

One has 3x the views both uploaded around the same time. Who has more relevance and impact on todays style?
 
To say he popularized something all these guys already did is to absolutely say their efforts weren't noted, only Em's. Now you're backpedaling. MCs are influenced by multiple people, of them all types of names pop up. I'm sure you listen extra hard when a guy mentions Em and overlook all the NWAs, Pacs, B.I.G.s, even Canibus references when someone speaks on their influences. I'm not going to try to statistically establish foundation off the net where vids can be posted multiple times to alter number of views, and things like people who sit in front of a computer vs people who play Cds or whatever can change results. I guess PSY popularized muting the beat as a transition into the chorus and nothing before him mattered because Gangnam Style was such a big song? I'm not saying Em isn't bigger than Pac, I'm saying 75million people heard Pac. 100 Million heard Em. If anything we can just stick to those numbers and say 25 Million were late hearing adlibs(still not even saying pac was 1st to do it, but you heard adlibs and were aware of the technique before 1999 if you were into rap, period). I could even break down why that's still not accurate because those were sold on albums over a period of time that Pac started a decade before Em and all but sold as consistantly as Em did on a Cd to CD basis, but forget it, I'm wasting brain cells.

Point is, you said Em "popularized" a mixing/performance technique that has existed as long as multi tracking and existed in rap since day 1. THAT IS ABSOLUTELY FALSE. :cheers:

To end on a positive...Eminem did popularize shock rap, even though guys like Skull Duggery, Brotha Lynch, TechN9ne, Gravediggaz, Raw Breed, Redman & Cam'ron existed before him doing the same style, none made it "popular" to rap about crazy things like raping dogs, worshipping satan, and killing wives. He also popularized white rappers even with Vanilla Ice, Beastie Boys, Milk, Remedy, Lil Whyte, White Dawg, H.O.P./Everlast, Snow, and others existing before him, and some leaving huge marks. The reason i still say he did so, was because milestones like Vanilla Ice hadn't made a record in a decade when he came out, and Everlast and the Beastie Boyz had moved into Rock/fusion genres so they weren't categorized the same at Em's arrival. He popularized diss records, even with them existing since the beginning of hip hop, because of his shots at N'Sync, Britney, Xtina and other heard across the world, it became popular for rappers to directly name people when talking shyt on a more mainstream scale. Long gone were the days of KRS/Shan beefs that only made noise thru project hallways. Em is very influential on hip hop culture, but has nothing to do with popularizing a structural technique even Michael Jackson used. "Hee hee/Sha'mon!!!".
 
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I am producing an album for a rapper, and for some of the tracks he did not record an adlib/double/emphasis. How important are these background vocals? Does it get boring if it is only the main vocal and nothing else? Or is really not noticeable if the rapper and beat are really good on their own?

Sorry for deterring from this. If you want to add some emphasis/double, copy his vocals and pitch the second set by a semitone or 2(up or down). cut parts you don't want emphasis on and it will give the appearance of him doing a second take because of the slight difference in tone. Make sure while pitching you're not changing your timing or the vocals will begin to unalign as the song goes. :cheers:
 
Unless your rapper dude/buddy/friend/client/whatever has a super b.a. voice, you probably want to double. Just make sure you line them up really well and have them quiet enough that it doesn't ruin the non-double parts of each phrase by making them sound weak in comparison. Generally speaking, the key is to make them line up perfectly and have them be subtle (to the point that a casual listener may not even realize there's doubles).


Although this argument is really silly, I have to chime in and say that it's totally ridiculous to say that Eminem popularized doubles. It's like claiming that Michael Jackson popularized the idea of having drums in pop music. (proof: Thriller is the greatest selling record of all time and there are drums on most of the album).
 
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