Obitheincredible
Your Mom's Best Friend!!!
That would take a ton of money to clear today. I guess thats also part of the reason that type of hip hop just isn't around anymore.
That would take a ton of money to clear today. I guess thats also part of the reason that type of hip hop just isn't around anymore.
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tdubl
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j.troup
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HIGHJACK23
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Smh...see its okay for the rolling stones and the beatles and the who to dam near sample the SOUND of blues long less muddy waters and other blues artist of the early 1900s...did they pay their 11,000?? its messed up, they aloud to do that but now wen we wanna sample 2 seconds of a saxophone we gotta " clear it ". Peter townsend aint clear no dam sample...smh.
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g14 lmaooo i got that one troup.
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dwells
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there is a big difference between sampling a recording and sounding like them.
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Obitheincredible
Your Mom's Best Friend!!!
Yeah usually if I sample something that I can play myself I just replay it myself.
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DjayCas
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nah they didnt clear 'fallin in love again'
until it was ready for ep release
they did run into a lil problem but they got it taken care of
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T Prod.
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guys on Fp go against each other too easy.
is 11k too big for a song you put on myspace and make it available for free download? hell yeah!
is it too much when you have 300k to invest and have a chance to make anywhere between 600k-2mills ? no.
is 11k too big for a song you put on myspace and make it available for free download? hell yeah!
is it too much when you have 300k to invest and have a chance to make anywhere between 600k-2mills ? no.
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TechnikaL
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This is kind of what I was talking about. This record introduced Drake to the world as a mainstream artist and only when he strategically re-released it as part of his EP did he have to clear the sample. By then he was already an upcoming star and the label paid that cost instead of him and his team.
Sometimes older artists whose work is sampled don't always sue and actually like it when their songs are sampled because they could use the money. For example, some artists that Kanye has sampled over the years for his albums love him for it!
As far as Diddy, who knows how many tens of millions he made off of that album and off of Biggies career and catalogue, so this $4 million is just a scratch compared to what he has made from that initial album.
Couldn't the companies have gotten the album sales halted in 1994, shortly after it's initial release? Is it possible that they chose to wait until the right moment to sue, years later, after they saw how many albums it sold after Biggie's success and death and spike in sales? A later decision to sue usually results in a larger claim in damages. This happens a lot.
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JonnyBongo
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Exactly... Troup wont have 300k to spend on marketing the track (im guessing). That was my initial point. If you dont have major label money to push the track you just spent 11k clearing then its a bad business move.
Its like buying a plane without wings. It cant take off without the wings!
What im saying is its too much of a risk to spend 11k on a track that might not do anything. It might dont get me wrong.. but as a business move.. the probability is very very low so the risk doesn't match up to reality.
Major labels have the resources to push a record and give it the best chance of success. Unfortunately unsigned artists dont have that backing so investing 11k in ONE track when your unsigned, un published and unknown is the wrong move... just my opinion!
j.troup
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^^^ Tell that to Master P, who turned a $10,000 inheritance into a $500,000,000 net worth. And the Williams brothers who turned $50,000 in dope money into a $30,000,000 deal with Universal, after selling millions independently.
Any money invested is a risk. But the biggest risk of all is to NOT TRY. Because then you're guaranteed failure.
I could take that $11,000 and buy a used car...or I could invest that money into my music career, that could set mr up for life.
Y'all claim y'all wanna be "PRODUCERS", then start PRODUCING SOMETHING!! There's only been ONE FP'er who got signed out of his bedroom. And most of you have never heard of him.
Scared money don't make no money.
Any money invested is a risk. But the biggest risk of all is to NOT TRY. Because then you're guaranteed failure.
I could take that $11,000 and buy a used car...or I could invest that money into my music career, that could set mr up for life.
Y'all claim y'all wanna be "PRODUCERS", then start PRODUCING SOMETHING!! There's only been ONE FP'er who got signed out of his bedroom. And most of you have never heard of him.
Scared money don't make no money.
HIGHJACK23
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I see what ur saying troup, but I think for the most part 11Gs Would take a heavy dent out of one of our pockets...I think thas what noone is trying to say cause maybe they dont wanna look bad...but I just turned 20 I do not have 11Gs to drop just like that...and I sample in mybeats so its a 200 foot wall to climb over..but some of us who only use samples thats like a 200 foot wall follwed by another, and another, and and another...etc etc...its just too much to keep track with and time wise bad because 11Gs will be gone, boom. Then we gotta work up that song..cud take some decent amount of time...wah about the rest of our beats? Its just like i said running a hurdle race with 200 ft tall walls. I would say the solution is this
1: Basically D make original beats. You bypass the whole sample clearing thing and wont ever have to worry bout it (99 percent of the time)
2. Save up 11Gs...ouch
3. Do step 1. After u make some profit with ur ORIGINAL beat making noise, gathering hit status, after u reap the rewards, NOW u have some depth in ur bank to push sampled songs if u want to
Thats what i think
1: Basically D make original beats. You bypass the whole sample clearing thing and wont ever have to worry bout it (99 percent of the time)
2. Save up 11Gs...ouch
3. Do step 1. After u make some profit with ur ORIGINAL beat making noise, gathering hit status, after u reap the rewards, NOW u have some depth in ur bank to push sampled songs if u want to
Thats what i think
j.troup
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I think what people are missing is that whatever entity actually RELEASES the song and is making money from it, they are responsible for clearing the sample.
The producer doesn't have to come out of pocket up front for the sample clearance...whatever company is releasing the song (and making money from it) does.
My company is acting as record label. So therefore, it's up to my company to clear the sample, since it's the one that's gonna be making money from it. Then my company will pay the artists their royalties, the producer their royalties, etc.
So for producers that sample...keep sampling. You don't have to worry about sample clearances. If you sell a track with a sample in it, that's fine. No laws against that (technically). But the company that decides to put it on a CD and sell it (or artist, if their acting independently), does have to worry about clearing the sample.
Since I run the company that is releasing her music (and stands to profit from it), then my company (I) has to be the entity to clear the sample, or face getting sued.
Trust me...facing a potential $11,000 on a sample clearance ain't exactly a drop in the bucket for me either! But it's an investment, just like all my equipment, the trips, etc.
And it's worth it. Because this is my dream, and I'll do whatever it takes to make it come true.
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GST
Imma rapper's producer!!!
I fully agree
I understand that selling beats with uncleared samples is illegal but I'll be damned if I spend 11 grand to clear a sample and this mofos goal is only to get it on soundclick..if they're serious then we can make serious moves together,if not,fuk that, best of luck to you.holla back..
everything is a risk..you risk spending that 11 grand and nothing returning..you risk getting sued for using uncleared samples...you risk getting robbed for your work..you risk taking the wrong oppurtunities and fukn your own self up..we really can't be mad at mofos for selling beats with uncleared samples..ppl are different..if they're truly a grimey person then it will come back to him at some point..selling beats that ppl like which is why they buy,by itself doesn't make you a grimey person..me personally,I understand that if I'm involved with a track that is about to be exposed publicly and professionally,that there is a protocol.
Cash_Daily
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Gotta remember, that the sampling laws that exist now, didn't exist back in the late 80's...sampling laws in any form didn't really come about until the early 90's.
By the time RZA and Pete Rock were doing their brand of sampling, you could use about 3 seconds of sampled audio without paying for it (someone correct me if i'm wrong). That's why RZA sped up his samples...so he could take more of the song.
Even more detailed sampling laws came about at the end of the 90's, and in the mid 2000's.
But as for right now, ANY sample you use in a song (even a millisecond) has to be cleared. Now how much that is enforced is debatable...but that's what the law says.
People try to make hit records to make money, regardless of if it's sampled or not. But when you have a sample in a song, that song/project already starts out in a hole, as you had to pay for the sample, in addition to the other costs in making the song. You also probably had to give up some ownership rights (copyright) in the song as well...so the song is gonna make less money than the equivalent song without the sample.
But a hit is a hit. And you can't place a number (well you can) on the value a hit brings a career.
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I'm not altering the sample much. I'm using about 12 bars of the song, and looping it, and adding in other elements so that the song does what I need it to do.
I'll tell everyone what the sample is when the record is done and out there. I can't afford for someone to take the idea and run with it before I get it copyrighted, since at the moment it's an uncleared sample.
I'm not even ustreaming the making of the song.
G14 classified kinda stuff.
Word, I can respect that. All the best.
deRaNged 4 Phuk'dup
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Unsigned unknown artists have invested more in artist features. Lil Boosie can run $6,000 if you need clearance to take the song anywhere you want without owing him more. So think about an unknown doing a song with someone like Wayne or Luda. There are costs in music depending on the league you want to play in. #11k isn't much if invested right.
I will agree it's a waste if you don't have a drawn out blueprint, if the world isn't gonna hear the song, why not just use the sample without paying on a promotional basis...but paying the avg. $5-15k it costs to clear a sample can pay off if everything else in in order for you to make a fortune off it.
Cash_Daily
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Everybody is making good points.
How I see it...The people that say nay don't have faith in the music industry or their career.
They talk a good talk but wouldn't spend any real money on anything.
Stop thinking some major label will launch your bedroom beats! It's not going to happen.
The one that steps out and invest in themselves and current a following, will be successful.
Myspace, soundclick, and the other sites have cuddled you babies too long. Think BIG
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If you're 20 and broke now, your main goals should consist of getting a saving account, keep your credit perfect, and home ownership within 10 years.
I felt the need to reach out since so many on this board is so young.
Life goes by fast...Don't be a 40yr old broke ass saying damn, I was just 20 years old.
How I see it...The people that say nay don't have faith in the music industry or their career.
They talk a good talk but wouldn't spend any real money on anything.
Stop thinking some major label will launch your bedroom beats! It's not going to happen.
The one that steps out and invest in themselves and current a following, will be successful.
Myspace, soundclick, and the other sites have cuddled you babies too long. Think BIG
off topic :
If you're 20 and broke now, your main goals should consist of getting a saving account, keep your credit perfect, and home ownership within 10 years.
I felt the need to reach out since so many on this board is so young.
Life goes by fast...Don't be a 40yr old broke ass saying damn, I was just 20 years old.
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DaBomb
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I got a quick question. What if you sample vocals of a well known CURRENT hip hop artist. For an easy example when artists chop and screw lines from say lil Wayne. Is that treated in the same regard as a sampling a 70s soul record. Or is that treated like a Feature from the current artist you sampled?
j.troup
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Sample. Songwriting credit. Cuz the sampled artist wrote the hook.
It comes faster then you think.