Help [F_or_Deaf] get the sand out of his crotchal area...

[jay_jizle]

Hello, FP.

It's public service time again. While I know most of you are concerned about and pre-occupied with what's happening in Haiti right now, we have an issue that needs to be addressed here at home.

Imagine this:

but INSIDE [F_or_Deaf]'s crotch. (The sand not the kids you weirdos)

He needs help with getting all that sand out, so please vote for which tool he should use so as to minimize any injury or discomfort in the mining process. Keep in mind, now, that's a LOT of sand up there.

Personally, I think a shovel and 5 gallon bucket would get the job done.

Ok, jokes aside, this is because this guy said he doesn't "believe" in feedback. Reminds me of girls with daddy issues sub-consciously sabotaging every relationship they have because they can't deal with their issues. Seems like F got some "feedback" at some point in his life that traumatized him so badly, he is now scared to give and receive any more "feedback".

F's words:

i don't even "believe" in feedback man...

nor do i come here for feedback.

technical information > feedback.

"Feedback" can include technical information, you know. I like the term "constructive criticism" better than "feedback", and there isn't enough of it being given and received.

If you can't take a few minutes to listen to someone else's tracks and give a short review, wtf are you doing here? Ok yeah you may be looking at FP at work and can't listen, that is acceptable, but nobody is too busy or good on this site to not give something back. This is a community that is only as good as it's members. Right now, like the American Federal Government's tax income, most of the work is being done by a very small percentage of members.

Don't interpret this as hate. I'm trying to understand why someone would continually come to a music production site for years, but not take the time to give anything back...or even let anyone else hear their music. Music is meant to be played and heard by people, not saved on a hard drive. I understand some people don't like giving "feedback" because a lot of the people asking for it are beginners and their product may not be very good. But reviewing their stuff is a way for them to potentially get better, then it wouldn't be so hard on the ears. The vicious cycle of bad music has then been broken.

I already know I'm way off on this. You guys should vote to ban me instead. I deserve it, and you can vote on that here...
https://www.futureproducers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=321542.

If enough people vote against me even if F doesn't post a track, I'll still take a 2 month-er. Don't be scared people, its only music.

 

[thebay]

leaf blower

lol but why you guys gotta take everythin so personal damn

 

[joey tunez]

the problem with feedback on forums is that it can be so flimsy.
a person can say they like your stuff on monday, get in an argument with you and say your stuff sucks by that same monday an hour later.
its not true feedback except for in the rarest of forms.
if feedback comes from an A&R, established producer, or something like that it can be valuable. if it comes from other sources it has the potential to be suspect.

 

[jay_jizle]

Allow me to clarify a bit...I'm not worried about the lack of good "feedback" on FP. It is what it is, but this is what went down...

He called for a ban on RSE. I replied that he shouldn't be concerned with someone else making silly posts when he doesn't do much himself to help others out.

He accepted a beat battle challenge. He has nothing to lose, and I will take a voluntary ban if I lose. I then asked if he would agree to provide a review to anyone that replied or voted in the battle. Not much to ask really...

He backed out. Said there were too many strings attached. 1 string is too many, eh? Wasn't even a very thick string...

It's whatever though, I just wanted to call attention to it, as I thought it was a bit odd that a member with thousands of posts on FP can't take a few minutes to listen to others tracks and post a reply.

That was a deal breaker for him. I dunno. Nothing personal, he's not the only one. There's a lot of people on here that don't contribute a whole lot of anything. I'm one of them, that's why I was trying to do something that might benefit others. Silly me...

Just so you know, the way everyone battles on here is lame, and that's why nobody cares when a battle thread goes up. There's nothing to lose, no sh*t talking, and nothing to spark the average FP'ers interest, just Member A vs. Member B: VOTE...BORING!!!

Is it really too much to ask to have both parties in a battle return some listens?

 

[CavalliCurt]

the problem with feedback on forums is that it can be so flimsy.
a person can say they like your stuff on monday, get in an argument with you and say your stuff sucks by that same monday an hour later.
its not true feedback except for in the rarest of forms.
if feedback comes from an A&R, established producer, or something like that it can be valuable. if it comes from other sources it has the potential to be suspect.

I never thought about it. I think this post has a lot of validity.

Maybe we should petition to change the feedback forum to more of a showcase for all of our work.

This way people don't feel obligate to judge your music... rather just see what other members are up to via there completed works.

 

[jay_jizle]

if feedback comes from an A&R, established producer, or something like that it can be valuable. if it comes from other sources it has the potential to be suspect.

A regular listener, or "other sources" can give you just as much valuable feedback on a track than an A&R or established producer. A&R's are supposed to know what the general public will buy, so why not bypass that and get the word right from the general public? They can tell you whether or not they would ever listen to it, if anyone they know would ever listen to it, what they like and don't like about it, etc....

As for the established producer, yes you would likely get the more technical info that is appreciated and hard to come by, but we have established producers with much of that info on this site. [F_or_Deaf] has some of that technical info, as do I. Establish a friendly relationship with some of the bigger producers on here and PM them asking for a quick review once in a while. If you ask nicely they will most likely oblige.

Yeah you're going to get a few generic comments from the random haters, but I've seen some great reviews come from people that don't have any FP Fame.

Peace!

 

[Internetgrind]

This bullsh*t is getting out of hand. Ban parties commence.

 

[[F_or_DEAF]]

If you can't take a few minutes to listen to someone else's tracks and give a short review, wtf are you doing here?

for some odd reason, you OVEREMPHASIZE the "importance" of FEEDBACK.

SHOULD I POST A POLL asking whether MOST members come here for FEEDBACK or OTHER?

do you wanna bet your self-imposed TEMP-BAN on that???

if most people come here for FEEDBACK, I TAKE THE BAN.

if they come here for OTHER, YOU TAKE THE BAN.

 

[Isk2009]

BATTLE MUHFUGGAS, lol

 

[[F_or_DEAF]]

He called for a ban on RSE.

FALSE.

i didn't "call for a ban".

i did ask the FP community if THEY thought that a ban was necessary.

if i PERSONALLY wanted RSE banned, i would have PM'd the mods...

 

[jay_jizle]

Too many strings, but you should do that anyway. I would be interested to see the results.

The thing is, the term "feedback" doesn't have to mean any one thing. Posting a review thread and having hundreds of views but no replies is a form of feedback - people didn't like it. Having someone buy a beat from you is feedback - obviously they like it enough to pay you. Having them come back to buy more beats is feedback - they like it so they want more. Someone asking what you used to make a sound is feedback - they thought it was cool or unique. You're getting an idea of what other people think without even having them specifically talk about it. Anyone that has a link in their sig wants some kind of feedback or else they wouldn't have the link there. Music is meant to be HEARD. This is a site about music isn't it?

I think my point is being missed because of the way I went about trying to get attention. You were all set to battle, we would have gotten about 100 views and 3 replies. I suggested a way to increase traffic both to our battle as well as other people's music. We would have gotten over a thousand views and at least 30 replies, I'm pretty confident in that.

Instead...we have this, which already has more replies than our battle without my "strings" would have gotten. You should post a link to your music in here F. You do make music, right?

 

[[F_or_DEAF]]

I'm trying to understand why someone would continually come to a music production site for years, but not take the time to give anything back...or even let anyone else hear their music

first of all, who are you to say that i don't "give anything back"?

you have the right to your own opinion, but it would be nice if you would base your opinion on FACTS.

and like i said before, PERSONALLY, I DON'T NEED FEEDBACK, i think it's over rated & unnecessary. i can make up my own mind and don't need any "opinions" as to what i should "do differently" with MY artistic vision.

 

[joey tunez]

A regular listener, or "other sources" can give you just as much valuable feedback on a track than an A&R or established producer. A&R's are supposed to know what the general public will buy, so why not bypass that and get the word right from the general public? They can tell you whether or not they would ever listen to it, if anyone they know would ever listen to it, what they like and don't like about it, etc....

As for the established producer, yes you would likely get the more technical info that is appreciated and hard to come by, but we have established producers with much of that info on this site. [F_or_Deaf] has some of that technical info, as do I. Establish a friendly relationship with some of the bigger producers on here and PM them asking for a quick review once in a while. If you ask nicely they will most likely oblige.

Yeah you're going to get a few generic comments from the random haters, but I've seen some great reviews come from people that don't have any FP Fame.

Peace!

oh i agree on your views about the average listener, im talking more about trusting your views of your beats to a fellow forum member if they don't have some degree of professional decorum.
whether or not you are Timberland or Willie hung of beats can swing depending on whether or not you two get along.

as far as average listeners you are right.
they may not be able to tell you why something does or does not sound good, but they can tell you that it does or doesn't. then its up to you to go find out how to change it.

 

[[F_or_DEAF]]

I think my point is being missed because of the way I went about trying to get attention.

EXACTLY.

and that's where i disagree w/ you at.

i'm not gonna battle for "attention".

i'm not gonna try to "build hype" and agree to your ANTICS:

You should play this up, keep it going back and forth.

 

[jay_jizle]

Battle wasn't for attention, boss. This thread is, and its doing ok I might add. My threads never do big numbers, I think I should change my deodorant or something.

What the hell is a battle on FP for if not attention? That one would have been an anomaly because it would have been to shut me up, you had nothing to lose, except confidence in your "artistic vision" if people don't like it.

You would have only gained exposure for partaking in my "antics"...You got any pearls forming up there yet?

Oh, the "not give anything back" comment was a lapse on my end, you do give people advice on interfaces and stuff sometimes. Neither of us really do much to contribute to the community, though. Can't really deny that...

You just really don't want people to hear your music, do you? That's kind of weird, dude. Most people want others to experience their artistic visions.

 

[dwells]

if feedback comes from an A&R, established producer, or something like that it can be valuable. if it comes from other sources it has the potential to be suspect.

Not really, I've seen many, many 'aspring' people argue with A&Rs and other established industry folks, trying to tell the established folks that they don't know what they are talking about. that they are hating and that is the reason why the 'aspiring' individual falsely believes the music industry is dying.

 

[dwells]

Jay why are you talking about another man's crotch? Kinda suspect.


But I'm also not a big fan of feedback either, unless the person receiving it really wants to know the truth instead of looking for a pat on the back.

Most feedback I hear is bullshyt, just people trying to be nice. nothing in it of value. and people do that because most people aren't looking for feedback, just an ego boost.

 

[deRaNged 4 Phuk'dup]

OPkay, guys. Enough with all this. I'm gonna have to ban someone if you guys keep with the arguing. lol.

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