Has anyone actually SEEN Polow da Don produce a beat?

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I know his business practices are old news, but I just can't shake the suspicion that he either steals or takes credit for others beats and can't make one on his own to save his live. I was wondering if anyone's worked with or known someone to work with him or has actually seen footage of him ACTUALLY TOUCHING a keyboard or other equipment himself? The only footage I've seen is of him sitting in a room while others are at the controls or giving a clueless interview with OpenLabs. I have a couple points as to why I think he's a complete ****ing fraud which I'll list:

1. Never seen him produce
2. There is no consistency to the productions he's credited to, they all sound like they could have been made by different people.
3. He doesn't seem to know anything about equipment or the production process from what I've read (doesn't know what an XLR is, claims the Apple loops from "Love in This Club" are from this "keyboard" of his that has a lot of sounds.)
4. Ayo The Producer... if you don't know, look it up.
5. All around lack of professional attitude and demeanor (not paying studio bills even though he's loaded, basically talking and acting like an ignorant **** which is completely inconsistent with the level of professionalism and musicianship that appear on some of the records he's taken credit for.)

Basically, I just think his whole existence doesn't quite add up. My theory is that the only beats he actually made himself were the ones that involved either holding down a single key in Massive (Nas - Hero) or pasting together some Logic/Garageband loops (Usher - Love in This Club) and all the others that actually seem to have some sort of production value were stolen from a young unknown producer as he has been proven to do. I just think his presence takes up space in the industry that could be occupied by younger, talented and more HONEST, hardworking producers. What do you guys think? (and yeah, I'm pretty much hating :))
 
I was just thinking about this the other day, I think polow is fukin fraud.
 
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I think yall think to much about thinking about stuff. Grab you some loops and quit trying to be the next Beethoven with a midi keyboard. Then maybe..........just maybe now.........you can get paid lots of money and have rooty poots make videos proving you didn't make a beat because you have the same loop that came with your midi keyboard. smh.


Listen to this man.
 
Throw some Ds was classic. Outside of that he getting his. I ain't madd at him.
 
meh, it was cool. It was decent. but he collabs a lot with other producers that take the shit to the next level.. but they need Polow as much as he needs them

because when you look at their careers solo, the placements they get are meh. So it's like an even exchange.. would you rather get 50% of a hit? or 100% of a flop kinda deal

but he does actually PRODUCE every session for every track, he's one of the best beat salesman/producer as far as coaching an artist and getting the most out of mediocre artist.. Fergies solo career without polow... ciaras solo career without polow... Lloyd when he wasnt working with polow.. the list goes on and on

but Karma got back to him, he a cool dude but if he dont mess with you he'll shit on you
 
@andrew would you ever collab with polow a.k.a(beat thief) lol

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What if polow offered you a couple racks for your beat and he takes the full credit for it, would you do it?
 
hell yea i would Polow a legend since the Jim Crow days, not only would i produce with him, i'd produce a record for him to rap on too

everybody talks this beat thief shit, but nobody who works with Polow complains about him truthfully.

if i got to keep my publishing and all that, hell yea, i dont care about credit. Why you think i got a Ghost as my avi lol, ive been doing that for a LOT of peoples favorites, a lot of washed up dudes as well.

now if i gotta fork over my pub, i cant do it. but if we just talking about him taking a beat and saying that he produced it? Hell yea.. i dont care about the fame, i care about getting PAID.. and truthfully everybody talks in this industry so everybody would know i did it ANYWAY and as long as i own my copyrights and publishing i can still get a deal off it.. Polow dont care, polow care about getting paid and putting out good songs, he dont care about what people think about him.

Ive seen (not with polow) but with other producers.. where a producer will say "let me walk this beat into a session and say i produced it, ima send you all the paperwork and we split all the royalties and publishing and all that" .. and then the producer say "no i want my name on the credits"

then the producer turns around and says "okay well i'll put your name on the credits with me, but i get to keep all the royalties" and the producer say yes and sign that shit, just to have their name on an album. that shit is crazy to me
 
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@andrew I feel you, lol. I heard jazze pha buy's beats off producers too.
 
heres a Music Industry fun fact.

if you are a major producer from the atlanta area... you either produced for Jazze Pha or Jermaine Dupri at some point in your career.. EVERYBODY .. from Shawty Redd to Polow, to everybody.. those were the gatekeepers of the urban industry in atlanta. So if you wasnt working with them, you was either working with ya own artist or just not popping until about 06 or 07. Why you think theres so few new producers from the atlanta area?
 
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meh, it was cool. It was decent. but he collabs a lot with other producers that take the shit to the next level.. but they need Polow as much as he needs them

because when you look at their careers solo, the placements they get are meh. So it's like an even exchange.. would you rather get 50% of a hit? or 100% of a flop kinda deal

but he does actually PRODUCE every session for every track, he's one of the best beat salesman/producer as far as coaching an artist and getting the most out of mediocre artist.. Fergies solo career without polow... ciaras solo career without polow... Lloyd when he wasnt working with polow.. the list goes on and on

but Karma got back to him, he a cool dude but if he dont mess with you he'll shit on you
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Ok, that sounds like a legitimate response. I figured all along that he's probably more business savvy than he is a musician. It's gotta make you wonder though, how he got in a position where labels trusted him enough to be in the studio with platinum artists and help shape their album when his just a so-so producer. I mean, if i had a bunch of aces in the room, I could tell them how to make a hit.... but I don't have those kind of connects.
 
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Ok, that sounds like a legitimate response. I figured all along that he's probably more business savvy than he is a musician. It's gotta make you wonder though, how he got in a position where labels trusted him enough to be in the studio with platinum artists and help shape their album when his just a so-so producer. I mean, if i had a bunch of aces in the room, I could tell them how to make a hit.... but I don't have those kind of connects.
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its because hes one of the best talkers in the industry, seriously he could sell Sand to a desert

and because he gave results. nobody really cares about the process, people only care about the results. Its a results industry and a "what have you done for me lately" industry

what messed Polow up was that he let his arrogance get to the best of him, and he took a long ass break thinking he could just pick it back up..

but remember.. Polow keeps his hands in everything... which means. 4 words
Hit Boy.. Esther Dean.

he was getting some of that bread up until they signed their respective deals, he's got a great ear for talent, and will get you a LOT of work. He should seriously start a legit management company. He can churn out some stars
 
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JAMESRRTT said:
lex luger, lil lodi, fat boi, southside?
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fat boi worked for Redd, and what has he done lately? Lex Luger is from Virginia and Lody only got on because Jeezy was desperate because he needed a producer that thirsty to copy beats that Lex was doing for MMG so that he could keep up with Ross and Southside aint get poppin until recently, he wasnt even one of the original producers Waka was ****ing with
 
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and because he gave results. nobody really cares about the process, people only care about the results. Its a results industry and a "what have you done for me lately" industry
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da truth

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Andrew you know too much, lol
 
lol naw not even, im just super observant and i know a lot of people. But moral of the story is.. keep your publishing, dont worry about your credit. People are gonna know who did what through the grapevine. Don't make any lame exposing videos, thats corny. We got lawyers and stuff for that, that stuff just shows that you want attention
 
No doubt the music business can be a shady one. It seems like a many of the shadiest practices are present particularly in the rap game though. I go to Los Angeles Recording School out here in CA and I can't say how many young hip hop producers I see get ripped off because someone basically offered them a bad deal but they are so eager to get songs out there (and maybe sometimes they're just ignorant/immature) that they lose out on future business because someone heard how easy they are to take advantage of and thus lose credibility. I don't do much hip hop myself anymore, because for one I'm not so great at it but also it seems so flooded with producers and also shady as hell
 
gotta have leverage in every aspect of business, if you dont have leverage then youre going to get a bad deal, nobody cares about your talent if you have no work truthfully. Now some producers sign ****ed up deals and try to get placements, but end up just getting in a deeper hole and never get the leverage they need.

I never go into a situation where i have no leverage, you gotta show that they need you more than you need them. And if you cant get work on your own well.. yea thats gotta suck.
 
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