GZA disses Soulja Boy and 50 Cent

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Not really nate. The chronic was a classic because it had a balance of good music and good lyrics. Same with doggy style ready to die, enter the 36 chambers, get rich or die trying, slim shady, the blueprint, thriller ect. The problem is niggas r too one dimensinal. Its dope beats and wack rhymes or wack rhymes and dope beats. U get the nas effect.
 
36 Chambers came out in 1993 (2007-1993 = 14)... Soulja Boy was 3 years old. GZA is dissing a dude that was 3 when he was relevant, lol. Little Richard is going to go off on J. Holiday watch. "I AM THE ORIGINATOR, THE INNOVATOR, THE NOW AND THE MF'N LATER, THE HATER CONGRADULATOR, STOMP IN ALLIGATOR, These young boys don't know nuthin' bout music, SHUT CHO MOUTH! (roll eyes))

Today, Rap music is about the overall act. When there were no video's being played you had to have mic skills.

... now people can see artists dance, see their cars, how they look and dress... the lyrical ability isn't as important as it used to be. The labels are pushing acts... total packages. Looks, sex appeal, commercial potential, fan appeal.

GZA's crusty azz can't set a high school off like Soulja Boy, lol.

All of the people GZA's age have kids that listen to Soulja Boy... in other words... the people GZA's age grew up and started families...

Soulja Boy, Baby Boy Da Prince, Webbie, Lil Boosie, Gucci Mane, are more known than GZA, LOL.

"GZA, oh yeah, my Momma otha baby daddy got one of them. It's fast with rims on it. mmm hmmm... got a TV in it too. Shole do..."
 
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Ma man Rome hit it on the head. FINALLY the thread was corraled and brought into perspective.

It's funny too, because when I started makin' music, I really didn't understand that being in the mainstream was OKAY. In fact, it's desirable. If you make "great" music, and no one hears you, who the fu*k cares? You have to learn to walk the line, as was stated earlier.

All the REALLY paid cats with lasting power learned that ability early. Jay, Snoop, and yes, even 50 (He is a lyricist- in his own way. He says enough clever/funny sh1t to keep you interested) learned that if you want to have that lasting effect, you have to make hot singles, have nice beats, AND have enough substance to make your albums worth that 2nd spin. The initial hit is what gets you some sales, but that album that is worth the 2nd play gets you ACKNOWLEDGEMENT. The more cred you get, the more you can try different things, and as long as you have your 2 good singles on the album, you can really branch out and do your musical thing. Jay has definitely done that, if you ask me.

Overall, Gza makes some dope sh1t. But if a tree falls in a forest, did it really make a sound? If no one peeps this n1gga, does he really matter? That tree coulda mystically played Beethoven's lost symphony on impact, but if no one peeped it, who gives a fu*k. lol.

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-PF
 
ProFound said:
Overall, Gza makes some dope sh1t. But if a tree falls in a forest, did it really make a sound? If no one peeps this n1gga, does he really matter? That tree coulda mystically played Beethoven's lost symphony on impact, but if no one peeped it, who gives a fu*k. lol.

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-PF
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on a forum full of producers i have to comment. it does make a sound. nice try tho.:hello:
 
lol. You knew what I meant, fam. No need to get technical. Just the phraseology.

-PF
 
How come older rap artists don't get the same kind of commercial viability as older rock bands?

A new Wu-Tang album sells less than half what they used too.
A new Rolling Stone albums will sell about as well as they ever did.

What is up with that?

This trend should change I think. If Mick Jagger can still do his thing, why can't rap artists when they at that age?

This has always puzzled me...
 
Xabiton said:
Not really nate. The chronic was a classic because it had a balance of good music and good lyrics. Same with doggy style ready to die, enter the 36 chambers, get rich or die trying, slim shady, the blueprint, thriller ect. The problem is niggas r too one dimensinal. Its dope beats and wack rhymes or wack rhymes and dope beats. U get the nas effect.
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my bad, i didnt mean theres never been a classic album in hip hop. i regard the album you mentioned as classics too. and theres been plenty more too. i just feel that since the turn of the millenium, music in general has taken a dive, not just hip hop. a lot of it down to label pressure i believe. mtv and piracy also contribute.

what id like to see in hip hop at least is more albums produced by 1 producer throughout. 2 - 3 max. having 12 producers on a 13 track album aint working anymore.

look at the albums you mentioned xab. most of those were produced by 1 to a handful of producers, ableit blueprint and get rich. i feel that when you have 1 mc and 1 producer working on a whole album then the body of work is a lot more consistent, thorough and the album flows better.


lol at the nas effect. that dude is straight deaf at times man. its unreal!
 
Trusty said:
How come older rap artists don't get the same kind of commercial viability as older rock bands?

A new Wu-Tang album sells less than half what they used too.
A new Rolling Stone albums will sell about as well as they ever did.

What is up with that?

This trend should change I think. If Mick Jagger can still do his thing, why can't rap artists when they at that age?

This has always puzzled me...
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I think about that sometimes, too. But Hip Hop will always be percieved as music for youth. Maybe not always, but you have to remember- rock has been around for a while, and other forms of genres have seen multiple generations go through the styles. Until hip hop has had a few iterations, seen great grandparents that listened to it- I don't feel like it will be there. The music has to grow up (figuratively, not necessarily literally, imo).

People clown on Jay for bein' 38, but I think the longer he stays around, the less taboo it will be. So maybe him rappin' til he's 80 is a good thing. lol.

-PF
 
Trusty said:
How come older rap artists don't get the same kind of commercial viability as older rock bands?

A new Wu-Tang album sells less than half what they used too.
A new Rolling Stone albums will sell about as well as they ever did.

What is up with that?

This trend should change I think. If Mick Jagger can still do his thing, why can't rap artists when they at that age?

This has always puzzled me...
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yea i think about this as well...

who knows.. U2 still sells out shows like its nothing lol

Popular/Newer hip hop is really aimed for the youth, minus Jay-Z who has made being a middle aged rapper cool..
 
yea the industry is dumb as hell, they want the same thing over and over again. I remember sitting down in a office at Atlantic Records with a A&R and this fool had the nerve to tell me "I like your tracks but do you think you can make something like what's on the radio but just a lil different??" I said "um, I'll try and get back to you..." I never called that bozo again...
 
i got the same sh*t from Atlantic.. i dont even remember his name.. he was a connect.. knew Kevin Liles..

was like "we need a more marketable sound".. and i understand that though.. took the advice and tried to grow from it
 
The reason no one wants to hear an old rapper is because 35 year old men are in a different life bracket than a 15 year old dude. While the rapper may be the best lyrically... what he says is still put into the old man category.

Imagine GZA singing Soulja Boy tell 'em... Al Sharpton or Jesse Jackson would be called upon to tell him to "Sit cho ol azz down..."

GZA all up in this hoooooooo... watch me crank it... watch me roolllll... yooouuuuuuu

GZA should rap about mortgage payments, daycare and high electric bills...that's what the rest of the grown ass men care about.
 
nattwalls said:
what id like to see in hip hop at least is more albums produced by 1 producer throughout. 2 - 3 max. having 12 producers on a 13 track album aint working anymore.
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co-sign. Artists need to start making albums again, and not be so single driven...and they need to stop putting albums together like this:

three club bangers + three slow jams + three songs for the streets + a song for grandma + and then some fillers and skits = album...

Rap music needs to do this, not neccessarily the "concept album" thing, but albums that are consistant and cohesive throughout. And producers need to start being more present on stage at shows. My opinion anyway.

With labels becomming more irrelevant, producers (beatmakers) will more and more power in the music business.
 
as20gp said:
yea i think about this as well...

who knows.. U2 still sells out shows like its nothing lol

Popular/Newer hip hop is really aimed for the youth, minus Jay-Z who has made being a middle aged rapper cool..
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I have to say this probably because the audience that likes the wu tang album in 97 grows up 10 years and has switched its feelings on the genre of music they listen to. I feel many fans of rap have either gone ton to become fans of R and B. or switched up all together and gone rock (Mostly the white ones)

And that is also because Wu Tang was all marketing like G-Unit. The fans bought into the gimmick, not the music. They liked the music but because it went along with the fad..

Everytime I see someone wearing G-Unit clothes it makes me laugh...

And I am a die hard fan of old g-unit to... (God's Plan, No Mercy, G unit radio 1, etc... all the ones before his first cd came out)
 
Trusty said:
How come older rap artists don't get the same kind of commercial viability as older rock bands?

A new Wu-Tang album sells less than half what they used too.
A new Rolling Stone albums will sell about as well as they ever did.

What is up with that?

This trend should change I think. If Mick Jagger can still do his thing, why can't rap artists when they at that age?

This has always puzzled me...
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I think people lose touch with it. Like if you grow up listening to Gangsta Rap maybe when you have kids and want better, maybe you don't want to associate yourself with that music anymore. Or probably the real reason is, it was a fad... maybe a lot of these artists' "fans" got caught up in the moment and now they have moved on.

Also a lot of sales in my opinion has to do with the media. Like I am the king of the South, I am the best rapper alive, I made an album based off of a movie that is about to be an instant classic, You can't ban the snowman, and I am gonna sell more records than him. Outside of those headlines no one in Rap has sold really well. You need a slogan now and it needs to catch on with the media either positively or negatively and you have a chance to move a lot of records.

These rappers complaining about marketing are crazy they are losing touch with how the business model is changing. If Wu wants to sell albums they should put out two albums and name them With RZA and Without RZA and get some press where they ask the public who is right in this argument.
 
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biggrome said:
The reason no one wants to hear an old rapper is because 35 year old men are in a different life bracket than a 15 year old dude. While the rapper may be the best lyrically... what he says is still put into the old man category.
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Yeah, but 50 Cent is 32. Kanye is 30, and I think they will still be pushing albums in two or three years.

So maybe things are gtting better.
 
but kanye and 50 are trendy

kanye didnt always dress like that (I REMEMBER THE GREASY ASS CLOTHES YE')

50 had his whole career/life surround in drama..

so i mean.. of course there gonna be popular.. 50 Cent co-signed by Eminem and Dr. Dre, and Kanye co-signed by Jay-Z.. there gonna be popular for at least 8 more years... maybe lol
 
People clown jigga for bein 38 but can't drop anything near as hot as American Gangster.

And Nate I agree I'd love to see albums with upto maybe 5 producers and a mc with few to no guest appearances or atleast if u have a guest appearance let it make sense. Jeezy and R kelly on a song together doesn't make sense. Jay Z and Ashanti wouldn't make musch sense musically. I still want an album of all 9th wonder and Ghostface.
 
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