CallMeNJ
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Everyone was saying "man mpc has that sound you know? why would you use FL?".
that's what I mean.
that's what I mean.
Sqito
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Just because a unit doesn't have any tubes it doesn't mean its audio output is digital. It could look like a circuit board on a PC but output pure analog sound..
But I get what you're trying to say, so... ^^
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mark1234
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Outputs of an Audio Interface are analog as well.
The MV-8800 i used own, had a real thick sound on the Outputs as well.
But once you mixdown your finished beat in the MV, and drag the WAV-file over to the PC, you will hear the soundquality not being any better than software when you hear it back on the PC.
So its really the Outputs on those machines that has a thick sound.
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mark1234
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ah, i see now.
But i think its really bull****, cats saying you need a MPC/MV to make it knock.
You can make FL knock way harder with some VST's.
Sqito
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I see your point, but it isn't one.
deRaNged 4 Phuk'dup
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And I'll say again, beyond human error, you shouldn't hear a difference from digital outs and aux outs on your digital modules.
Some peoples aux outs make their sound muffled, others digital outs cause bleeding, I've heard people who's stuff sounds thin and has no low end at all like it was ran thru an HP filter when they record thru AUXs because of how they've tweaked the interface they're using.
But if you transfer audio at around -6 to -12db to avoid clipping, don't add coloration thru what you're recording into(interface amps, mixers, ect. do color your sound alot more tha a digital workstation will)run a clean line out to whatever you're recording to, there should be no more of an audible "difference" than you'd get from running a monitoring chain thru the auxs of an interface or soundcard from your computer.
Common sense, right? This debate is lame because there's so many variants that I understand non professionals probably are hearing a difference in sounds, but that's due to human error, not aux outputs.
Betcha if I run that same drum from my MPC to my Avalon M5 you'll notice a remarkable difference. Hell, I could run my MPC to my M-Box using TRS lines and turn on Phantom power, that will sound pretty f**king far from the same.
But I'll say again, uncompromised audio is uncompromised audio. If cheap aux outs were that real, why wouldn't we all just own rackmount audio CD Burners. About $200 will get you one with waaaaayyyyy better converters than an MPC. And run all our audio out of the PC and manually record?
People gonna beleive what they believe though. People always think I'm trying to change opinions on subjects with no "opinion" to them.
If you know what you're doing, you finalized project will have the sound you want regardless of what you use. If you don't know what you're doing, with all the gear in the world, you're still gonna have a horrible sound.
No peice of equipment or converter or line out is gonna do anything for your sound, you do everything for it.
What's sad is I know this from having ADATs, MPCs, Minidiscs, Rackmount CDRs, Triton Racks, FL, Reason, Pro Tools, Fostex Multitracks, Avalon M5s, Sonar, ect. And nomatter what I use, my end result sounds the f**king same.
If your gear makes you, you're simply not good enough to make anything with your gear.
Sqito
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Best quote ever.
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mark1234
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Word at deRanNged,
You seem like a brother who knows,
Cleared it all up for me.
I always pick up things from your posts
You seem like a brother who knows,
Cleared it all up for me.
I always pick up things from your posts
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nattwalls
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not that ive used a mpc, ever.
but live 8 not only has an mpc like drum sampler, but it also has mpc groove templates as standard (as well as sp1200 templates).
but live 8 not only has an mpc like drum sampler, but it also has mpc groove templates as standard (as well as sp1200 templates).
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mark1234
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But I'll say again, uncompromised audio is uncompromised audio. If cheap aux outs were that real, why wouldn't we all just own rackmount audio CD Burners. About $200 will get you one with waaaaayyyyy better converters than an MPC. And run all our audio out of the PC and manually record?
No peice of equipment or converter or line out is gonna do anything for your sound, you do everything for it.
What's sad is I know this from having ADATs, MPCs, Minidiscs, Rackmount CDRs, Triton Racks, FL, Reason, Pro Tools, Fostex Multitracks, Avalon M5s, Sonar, ect. And nomatter what I use, my end result sounds the f**king same.
If your gear makes you, you're simply not good enough to make anything with your gear.
So you basically say the MPC's great "distinct sound" is a Myth?
Sqito
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It's not only what he is trying to say, it is the complete and sincere truth.
If by "distinct sound" you mean the MPCs top-notch "timing", you actually mean its rather noob-proof auto quantizing feature.
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mark1234
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Word, i never understood cats saying they needed the MPC for that punchy sound anyway
and you guys def confirmed it.
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las7154
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the outputs are analog...everything else is digital...all of the sounds are processed pre a/d converter.....once the data goes thru the converters it goes straight thru the outputs....those are the only thing analog about the mpc...the outputs....
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Absolutely, but I do understand the basis of the myth. People confuse current MPC specs with those of classic modules. Don't wanna give false info, so I'll overstress if memory serves me correct, the MPC60 and 3000 did have filters. I'm 100% sure nothing after the 2000 does.
But, again, filters are like converters and everything else. Dime a dozen scrapware.
Best analogy I can give is Pepsi and Coke are distinctively different products, anyone who takes the time to pay attention can tell the difference between Pepsi and Coke. That's "distinctiveness"
I'm arguing that an MPC's sound is like buying Pepsi from walmart vs. buying it online. Both can come from different plants, both can be made using different machines, but ultimately both are gonna very much be Pepsi unless human error comes into play.
That's not saying there isn't a difference that could possible be detected if you compared the taste of the 2 Pepsi's from differnt places, but if you mixed them up, you'd immediately have no way of ever telling the two apart again.
That in itself should be enough to make it a waste of time to order your Pepsi online just for a " distinctive taste", that doesn't mean ordering Pepsi online doesn't have other conviences to going to get it from Wal Mart or vice versa.
Mattman04
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Worse yet, many hear beats made with sp1200's,and and s950's, and assume it's the mpc sound.
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lol whoever started this post never returned again..