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mjames4208
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know one can pick out a Gibson from a Fender using the same amp and guitar FX either..... other than the both of them sound like guitars.
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I'm not guitar guru but I was under the impression the different pickups make a notable difference?
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my point was to the previous poster...
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Misinformed people who think they got the answers are always worse than misinformed people who are willing to learn.
AD/DA Conversion's sole purpose is to convert an audio signal from analog sources to digital ones or vice versa. A "good" AD/DA conversion give no "sound" to what it converts. A bullsh*t conversion will give fuzz, feedback, filtery compromised sound.
Now let's go back to my 1st posts on this subject? Maybe I should've worded everything I said better for the geniuses too smart to comprehend common knowlege who troll these threads...but here we go.
MPC has such an incoherent distinctiveness caused by it's B.S. coverters that it can easilt be confused with B.S. converters on a Triton(yeah, they sample too), Motif, EMU 4040 soundcard, M-Box, or any other digital sampling device with AD/DA converters set to the same samplerate and bit depth.
Not to mention, nomatter what you use to make music, if you're doing it right, other processes that leave a more distinct sound on your final mix will be introduced. Once I add vocals over the top of 2 beats(one made on MPC and one on Reason) using my Avalon M5 and a Shure SM8, mix using my powercore suite, and send off the finished product to a mastering house for the cleanest sound possible, you know how much more stuff that actually does give distinct sound average inexperienced ear still can't recognize has been introduced?
If that's the case, I wanna see the dude who can listen to an entire album and tell me what equipment was used to make every song on it.
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Excuse the straight forwardness, that's just stupid. I get the point you're trying to make, but EPIC Fail, my dude.
You can tell the difference between a real Balwin babygrand piano and a Hyundai Concert Piano. You can tell the difference between a viola and a violin. A fender and a Gibson? Wrong arguement, buddy.
I'm telling you you can't tell whether that Fender or Gibson was recorded into an MPC, Triton, Protools, FL, Roland VS Multitrack, or Neve console once it's ran it's run to become a complete song if it's professionally mixed. And it can sound like sh*t thru any of these if it's not.
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now this is what I call misinformed
Neve, TLAudio, Solid State Logic, Aphex Systems, Universal Audio, Tube Tech, Studio Electronics, Avalon Design... I didn't even have to google it.
A lot. I suggest trying a good analog comp highly. We will never argue about whether it sounds the same or not again.
I'm out. Peace guys
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And so you're saying an MPC has a "good" compressor on it? "Analog" on top of that?
Now this is what I call misinformed. People brand things with certain titles to sell them. I don't agree with Mattman that it's been 20 years(not saying I'm right and he's wrong, good chance I'm wrong), but it's been long enough since I seen a real analog compressor manufactured(actually, in my career I've never known any new ones manufactured, all the analog compressors I run across date back to late 60s early 70s, looking better for Mattman)... I know what he was trying to say.
We're not talking Reissues and updated models(which 90% of are indeed very much digital not to mention the other 10% start well above the price and quality range of a rinky-dink MPC).
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the worst analog compressor is enough to change the sound. but don't matter what, you guys'll never admit it. peace
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yeah, because with all the content we put to what we were saying some sh*t your homeboy heard from some dude that you halfway quoted right is to be held as gospel over experienced engineers?
Nothing to "admit" bruh. lol. Keep lying to yourself.
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Cheap ad/da converters sound very bright, full of jitter.
High End ad/da converters have a much fuller analogues sound.
Take an old cheap cd player and listen to your favorite cd.
now, take that same cd and play it thru a cd transport's digital
Output. Use a Proceed DAC and listen to how different that
Same Cd sounds. Play that same CD thru a PARASOUND DAC
And tell me u can't tell the difference. The point that I'm making
Is that all ad/da converters don't sound the same. I don't care
Whether it's Roland, Emu, or Akai. They are just as unique to one
Another as guitar and bass pickups are to one another.
And, another point. The good DAC is supposed to make
Your digital signal sound like true analog. The more expensive
The DAC, the more analogues (warmer, punchier bass, smooth
rounded mids, and crispier highs) and detailed the sound.
If any of you guys stay near an Audiophile Shop, go in and
Learn the difference in the sounds of good DACs.
High End ad/da converters have a much fuller analogues sound.
Take an old cheap cd player and listen to your favorite cd.
now, take that same cd and play it thru a cd transport's digital
Output. Use a Proceed DAC and listen to how different that
Same Cd sounds. Play that same CD thru a PARASOUND DAC
And tell me u can't tell the difference. The point that I'm making
Is that all ad/da converters don't sound the same. I don't care
Whether it's Roland, Emu, or Akai. They are just as unique to one
Another as guitar and bass pickups are to one another.
And, another point. The good DAC is supposed to make
Your digital signal sound like true analog. The more expensive
The DAC, the more analogues (warmer, punchier bass, smooth
rounded mids, and crispier highs) and detailed the sound.
If any of you guys stay near an Audiophile Shop, go in and
Learn the difference in the sounds of good DACs.
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Good DAC does not compromise or change your audio in the least significant way.
Now you're confusing "good DAC" with the filters and pres found on higher quality converters. Not the actual conversion process on it's own.
That's like thinking a mic sounds good because of the preamp it's hooked up to...yeah, alot of people do that too.
And last I checked MPC conversion falls right in line with that of a EMU soundcard, M-Box, Korg Triton, Roland VS Multitrack, ect. None of these are competing with a Rosetta module. So telling me to test a high end DAC to be impressed by it's quality of I/O has nothing to do with what we're talking about, does it?
But it's not like cheap circuitry for quantising and transforming audio to/from information created in the late 90s should've been outdone by 2008?
Ginuine Analog vs. Digital is a totally different argument. But really think and research what you're typing before you're so quick to type.
Turning this into an argument of "better converters sounding better" is nonsense when we're discussing $20-30 scrapware converters found in everything from an MPC down to an MP3 player with a record button on it. There's a reason "good converters" can cost you the same as 4 or 5 MPCs.
Now you're confusing "good DAC" with the filters and pres found on higher quality converters. Not the actual conversion process on it's own.
That's like thinking a mic sounds good because of the preamp it's hooked up to...yeah, alot of people do that too.
And last I checked MPC conversion falls right in line with that of a EMU soundcard, M-Box, Korg Triton, Roland VS Multitrack, ect. None of these are competing with a Rosetta module. So telling me to test a high end DAC to be impressed by it's quality of I/O has nothing to do with what we're talking about, does it?
But it's not like cheap circuitry for quantising and transforming audio to/from information created in the late 90s should've been outdone by 2008?
Ginuine Analog vs. Digital is a totally different argument. But really think and research what you're typing before you're so quick to type.
Turning this into an argument of "better converters sounding better" is nonsense when we're discussing $20-30 scrapware converters found in everything from an MPC down to an MP3 player with a record button on it. There's a reason "good converters" can cost you the same as 4 or 5 MPCs.
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maybe it's because ive heard the same sample running thru an mpc and other different samples at the same time and i couldn't notice a difference....its easy to say in theory that it sounds different...but im willing to bet that u or no one else can tell me what was sampled on an mpc and what was sampled on somethiong else.....samplers arent big now...when i came up...that's all people basically used....we had 3 different mpc models, akai 950s, yamaha rackmounts, and asrs....we would use them to sample each other....teh bottom line is that u cant tell which machine was used.....its simple as that....
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I had an S2000 too. That also has a unique sound to it. If you guys can't hear it, that's not my problem. Every little part has some unique effect on the signal. MPCs converters are not the best, but a lot of people seem to like that sound. Is it so hard to swallow?
Or you're trying to tell me that every soundcard/converter sounds the same? Don't you think it's ridiculous to say that?
I can't imagine why you're trying to convince everybody. If you think MPC doesn't have a unique sound, be happy, go and use whatever you want. But you guys create a religion around it. Can't understand. Peace.
Or you're trying to tell me that every soundcard/converter sounds the same? Don't you think it's ridiculous to say that?
I can't imagine why you're trying to convince everybody. If you think MPC doesn't have a unique sound, be happy, go and use whatever you want. But you guys create a religion around it. Can't understand. Peace.
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I'll humor this.
Took the same drumsample(909 Kick from MTV Music Generator for PC converted to .wav inside the program).
Ran it through my MPC 2000XL through RCA outs to my M-Box. No FX, made sure the drum was well below clipping, pumped it out, recorded it into Sonar, exported it as a 44.1/16 .wav.
While still in Sonar... Put the same original .wav drumsample in there. Turned it down to the same db level as the audio that just came off my MPC. Exported it as a 44.1/16 .wav
Reloaded both sounds into Sonar to convert them both to 320mbps mp3s so I could load them on this sight.
Let's hear those filters and compressors, please? Anyone? I can't hear them. Even with the MPC audio traveling thru my M-Box(2 sets of converters if I'm counting right?)....hmmmmmm.........
Mind you, my MPC's damn near a decade old...maybe the newer ones with flash drives have better converhahahahahahaha....I couldn't type that out without laughing.
Took the same drumsample(909 Kick from MTV Music Generator for PC converted to .wav inside the program).
Ran it through my MPC 2000XL through RCA outs to my M-Box. No FX, made sure the drum was well below clipping, pumped it out, recorded it into Sonar, exported it as a 44.1/16 .wav.
While still in Sonar... Put the same original .wav drumsample in there. Turned it down to the same db level as the audio that just came off my MPC. Exported it as a 44.1/16 .wav
Reloaded both sounds into Sonar to convert them both to 320mbps mp3s so I could load them on this sight.
Let's hear those filters and compressors, please? Anyone? I can't hear them. Even with the MPC audio traveling thru my M-Box(2 sets of converters if I'm counting right?)....hmmmmmm.........
Mind you, my MPC's damn near a decade old...maybe the newer ones with flash drives have better converhahahahahahaha....I couldn't type that out without laughing.
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Now the 1st thing you guys will say is "I can hear a difference"...of course you can. I can hear a slight difference myself. Kick A seems to have a little more "rumble" to it....maybe I'm trippin, but kick B seems to have a little more white noise? But now comes the big question....which came off an MPC, you can tell right?
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Say the same of yourself. If you don't like disagreeing and stating different points of view, forums are not the place for ya.
noblewordz
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They sound the same to me.
People just like to complicate things, its easier for them to think certain producers have a secret weapon or equipment to get a certain sound then it is to believe that they just don't have as much talent.. I could be wrong. Not directed at anyone in here.
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Nah, I hear a difference. kick B has a slightly lower "tone"(for lack of better wording to it, more white noise, but I think that could be due to me not getting the volumes as accurately close as I should've? No need to make excuses though. Kick A sounds cleaner(not that that's a bad thing) and I think it tails a little heavier than kick B.
I'll say again, I got some good f**king ears. What I wouldn't know if I didn't create the files is which one came from an MPC. I'm waiting for someone to come in and point out how you can tell the difference. I'm pretty sure if I had to make a guess without knowing, i woulda got it wrong.
I'll say again, I got some good f**king ears. What I wouldn't know if I didn't create the files is which one came from an MPC. I'm waiting for someone to come in and point out how you can tell the difference. I'm pretty sure if I had to make a guess without knowing, i woulda got it wrong.
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Mattman04
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Same sound as the mpc2000, and like the mpc2000 it's a very plain jane sampler that imparts little of it own personsality.
My argument is that a sampler that reproduces the source very well is not worth buying for it's sound.
(Not saying an mpc is not worth buying. It is just for other reasons.)
Buy something old with crappy (in a good way) convertors if you want that vintage hiphop sound.
Emu emax, s900, Sampletrak, sp202, etc.
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Mattman04
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About the test kicks. I thought the first one sounded a little more full at the bottom.