Former CEO of Open Labs starts NEW COMPANY...

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36 pages and still no actual released products out for people to use?

i actually thought they would try to reach out to mac users (as OL didn't), but they just released one more midi keyboard.. pfft.
 
Actually that was Lyle Workman who did the superbad soundtrack, Danny Elfman is another guy who came over from the pop side. I see what you're saying though and you have some interesting points.

i understand the being/sounding knowledgeable on the internet is "pretty" important but when individuals add "statement" that are not under discussion then the conversation goes on a tangent!!!

i wrote:

p.s. one of my favorite sound tracks of all times is from "super fly"... Curtis Mayfield was not formally trained... a matter of fact self taught...

i was talking about "SUPER FLY" and not "SUPER BAD"...

so in "actuality" Curtis Mayfield wrote the sound track to "SUPER FLY"...

secondly, i understand where you are coming from because i graduated from "Berklee" with a two years degree. i use to think that if i have my degree from "Berklee" that would be all i need... how wrong i was... you cant just sit in your lab/studio and just make music and someone is going to recognise your talents... the formula is not "TRAINED" = "SUCCESS"... it is more to the equation than that... skills are very important but "who you know" may be more important... therefore if you sit in your lab/studio with "formal training" without networking/grinding who is going to know your capabilities?

last point...

when i listen to the back drop music to "Law and Order" there are basically two sounds you are going to hear... the "donk donk" sound and chords being played on a string vsti... with the chords being played on the string vsti you do not hear dotted 8/16/32 note... you hear whole notes... not that much "real" skills involved...

how about the back drop music for "Steinfeld"... only bass licks... you do not need "formal training" for that... just bass playing skills...

i understand your points but if you are in contact with the right individuals there is tons of work out there... you just need to "network/grind" to meet these individuals that may/could use your service...

we can go back and forth all day and i am down with that but "please" stay on point and before you respond read what i wrote carefully then disgust it and then respond because i am talking from experience and not something i read somewhere...
 
36 pages and still no actual released products out for people to use?

i actually thought they would try to reach out to mac users (as OL didn't), but they just released one more midi keyboard.. pfft.



I'm not exactly sure why people don't understand that Apple doesn't let 3rd parties make Mac-Compatible machines. You can't use any of their software nor any of their hardware.

So Open Labs can't sell a machine with a mac OS on it. Music Computing can't sell a machine with a Mac OS on it.

Nobody but Apple can sell a machine with a Mac OS on it.


They did reach out to Mac users, as much as they could. You have something that you can connect your Macbook to, and it turns your regular laptop, into this...

MusicComputing.com said:
ntroller and GeoMIDI™ midi mapping software. ControlDaw presents the user with four (4) banks of eight (8) plus one (1) master channel strips each with three (3) mappable encoders with LED indicator light rings, one (1) knobs for panning, solo and mute buttons and a high-quality fader. An 8X8 grid of lighted pads (64 total) is also provided that can be used as drum trigger pads, a Monome (with appropriate software) or as a trigger pad for sequences, etc. Controls for note-repeat enabled software and transport buttons are included as well as real-time feedback between the controllers and software making ControlDAW the ultimate midi controller for music production.

Hear the Difference: The standard configuration for iKeyDOCK include a 24bit-48 kHz audio I/O with two (2) combo XLR & ¼” mic/instrument 48V phantom power inputs, two (2) balanced outputs and a stereo headphone jack. The optional upgrade gives you a 24bit-96 kHz audio I/O with two (2) combo XLR & ¼” mic/instrument 48V phantom power inputs, six (6) ¼” balanced inputs (line-level), two balanced outputs and a stereo headphone jack. StudioBlades also offer Firewire ports in the event outboard audio I/O or other Firewire devices are needed.

Play That Sample: Music Computing’s TriggerGrid™, included with each ControlDAW, is a sample player that allows the user to trigger sampled sounds via controllers such as the ControlDAW or ControlPLAY™. Unlimited number of banks each containing sixty four (64) samples can be loaded and played. Per pad controls included: Frequency, Attack and Release, Gain, Pan and Reverse. Per pad wave editor allows for simple drag to trim/truncate samples. 16 – audio outs for use in a DAW. File formats include: wave and mp3. Save feature allows all 64 pads to be saved as a kit. Unlimited number of kits can be saved that can be instantly loaded for playback. Simple drag and drop interface to populate pads.


So you hook up your Macbook, and you get all of these added features...


ikeydock-top.jpg



StudioBlade-Back_001.jpg
 
i understand the being/sounding knowledgeable on the internet is "pretty" important but when individuals add "statement" that are not under discussion then the conversation goes on a tangent!!!

i wrote:



i was talking about "SUPER FLY" and not "SUPER BAD"...

so in "actuality" Curtis Mayfield wrote the sound track to "SUPER FLY"...

secondly, i understand where you are coming from because i graduated from "Berklee" with a two years degree. i use to think that if i have my degree from "Berklee" that would be all i need... how wrong i was... you cant just sit in your lab/studio and just make music and someone is going to recognise your talents... the formula is not "TRAINED" = "SUCCESS"... it is more to the equation than that... skills are very important but "who you know" may be more important... therefore if you sit in your lab/studio with "formal training" without networking/grinding who is going to know your capabilities?

last point...

when i listen to the back drop music to "Law and Order" there are basically two sounds you are going to hear... the "donk donk" sound and chords being played on a string vsti... with the chords being played on the string vsti you do not hear dotted 8/16/32 note... you hear whole notes... not that much "real" skills involved...

how about the back drop music for "Steinfeld"... only bass licks... you do not need "formal training" for that... just bass playing skills...

i understand your points but if you are in contact with the right individuals there is tons of work out there... you just need to "network/grind" to meet these individuals that may/could use your service...

we can go back and forth all day and i am down with that but "please" stay on point and before you respond read what i wrote carefully then disgust it and then respond because i am talking from experience and not something i read somewhere...

My mistake but Superfly or Superbad the point is still the same. Those opportunities were only open to them because of their pop background. You can count the number of composers like them on one hand.

Stay on point?! Is "Seinfeld" a film now? How about Law and Order? Last time I checked they were TV shows, different world.
 
My mistake but Superfly or Superbad the point is still the same. Those opportunities were only open to them because of their pop background. You can count the number of composers like them on one hand.

Stay on point?! Is "Seinfeld" a film now? How about Law and Order? Last time I checked they were TV shows, different world.


Same thing tho...u know what he was saying.



Just like in music, people seem to only focus on the very top tier, and think that's all the opportunities there are, but in reality, that's only the tip of the iceberg.


Yeah, I may not ever score the blockbuster of the summer like John Williams. But there's PLENTY of indie work available.

Think about the films that get picked up from film festivals, that start out indie, and end up being major motion pictures...


Reservoir Dogs
Clerks
Blair Witch Project
Donnie Darko
28 Days Later
Napoleon Dynamite
Open Water


And the list goes on. Those films started out as indie. And just think of all the films that DON'T get picked up, and all the films that aren't even in that particular film festival.


Not only that, every TV movies needs a score. Every TV show needs music. Every TV drama needs a score. Every Cable series needs a score. Every documentary needs a score.

Not to mention the scores for these video games, etc, etc.


The opportunities are there, and John Williams, James Horner and Hans Zimmer can't do EVERYTHING.
 
That dock looks dope. The only real quarrel i have with it is it should've had MPC style pads instead of those little Monome Pads.
 
Scoring movies? no.



Why not?? There are hundreds and hundreds of movies that get made every year.

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That dock looks dope. The only real quarrel i have with it is it should've had MPC style pads instead of those little Monome Pads.



Everything has MPC style pads. You can do so much more with a monome and the right software.
 
I once did some research on movie scoring etc. because I was interested in this too. The reality is that its as saturated as everything else. Thousands of desperate composers with musical background waiting for their opportunity. Hell I even saw a dude who studied music at a conservatory and definitely knew his stuff and he agreed to make some score for free for a college project. I mean I'm ok in music theory but I have no chance against a dude like that.

The reality is that with studio technology being that cheap right now every musician can afford a bedroom studio

It's hard to break in if you don't have the connections...
But I won't say its impossible...
 
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Everything is hard to break into. Everything is saturated. There are ALWAYS more applicants than there are positions, in ABSOLUTELY EVERYTHING!!!!!


Jesus, I don't understand the "it's saturated" attitude of people on this board. Like a bunch of scared little girls, scared to try anything, because someone else might be better than you.


The spoils don't go to the most talented, but to the people who work the hardest.


Yeah that guy might have all the talent in the world, but he may be a complete douche, and not know now to network and conduct business to save his life.



It doesn't all boil down to talent. It's about who outworks who.
 
Everything is hard to break into. Everything is saturated. There are ALWAYS more applicants than there are positions, in ABSOLUTELY EVERYTHING!!!!!


Jesus, I don't understand the "it's saturated" attitude of people on this board. Like a bunch of scared little girls, scared to try anything, because someone else might be better than you.


The spoils don't go to the most talented, but to the people who work the hardest.


Yeah that guy might have all the talent in the world, but he may be a complete douche, and not know now to network and conduct business to save his life.


It doesn't all boil down to talent. It's about who outworks who.

Yes but there's a baseline level of skill involved in scoring that happens to be way, WAY above that of pop music... As in it takes years and years of training to understand how to put something decent together. Even if you do manage to network/bluff yourself into an opportunity, what then? Can you do the job at the same level as someone who's been doing it for 20yrs?

Soulja Boy stories only happen in the music world.
 
Everything is hard to break into. Everything is saturated. There are ALWAYS more applicants than there are positions, in ABSOLUTELY EVERYTHING!!!!!


Jesus, I don't understand the "it's saturated" attitude of people on this board. Like a bunch of scared little girls, scared to try anything, because someone else might be better than you.


The spoils don't go to the most talented, but to the people who work the hardest.


Yeah that guy might have all the talent in the world, but he may be a complete douche, and not know now to network and conduct business to save his life.



It doesn't all boil down to talent. It's about who outworks who.


"The first man gets the oyster, the second man gets the shell."—Andrew Carnegie

“The first man gets the pearl, the second man gets the oyster, the third man gets the shell, and the last man looks at the fossilized remains.”—Terry D. Miller, AKA MadTiger
 
Yes but there's a baseline level of skill involved in scoring that happens to be way, WAY above that of pop music... As in it takes years and years of training to understand how to put something decent together. Even if you do manage to network/bluff yourself into an opportunity, what then? Can you do the job at the same level as someone who's been doing it for 20yrs?

Soulja Boy stories only happen in the music world.



The guys that have been doing it for 20 years...when they were looking to get their foot in the door, there were already guys there that had been doing it for 20 years.

There's an entry level to EVERY JOB IN THE WORLD.


The guys who have been doing it for 20 years get the blockbusters. The entry level guys get the animated shorts...the indie films. The trailers. The C list movies. The straight to DVD films.

Basically you start at the bottom and you work your way up...like the guys that have been doing it for 20 years.


So I don't have to compete with the guys that have been doing it for 20 years, because just starting out, no one expects you to.


Nobody expects a STAR WARS movie score for MARTIAN MAYHEM 4! But they both need to be scored.


I've had years of classical training, not to mention formal music training all my life. Don't assume that all I do is this commercial/pop/hip hop stuff, it's but only a piece of what I do.

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"The first man gets the oyster, the second man gets the shell."—Andrew Carnegie

“The first man gets the pearl, the second man gets the oyster, the third man gets the shell, and the last man looks at the fossilized remains.”—Terry D. Miller, AKA MadTiger


And the guy who stayed in his bed and said "oyster fishing is too saturated", doesn't get SHIT.
 
Everything is hard to break into. Everything is saturated. There are ALWAYS more applicants than there are positions, in ABSOLUTELY EVERYTHING!!!!!


Jesus, I don't understand the "it's saturated" attitude of people on this board. Like a bunch of scared little girls, scared to try anything, because someone else might be better than you.


The spoils don't go to the most talented, but to the people who work the hardest.


Yeah that guy might have all the talent in the world, but he may be a complete douche, and not know now to network and conduct business to save his life.



It doesn't all boil down to talent. It's about who outworks who.
I agree to a degree. It's not really about who outworks who. It's about who works SMARTER. Sadly, in this day and age people don't want to be the best, they want to work for the best. They don't want to be compared to Timbaland, they want to be the next Danja lol

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"The first man gets the oyster, the second man gets the shell."—Andrew Carnegie

“The first man gets the pearl, the second man gets the oyster, the third man gets the shell, and the last man looks at the fossilized remains.”—Terry D. Miller, AKA MadTiger
And the smart man makes BREAD off the thousands of oysters he took and told people they were valuable.
 
So you hook up your Macbook, and you get all of these added features...

I'm a bit confused... 1. the lower pic is studioblade right, not ikeydock?
also, since ikeydock doesn't have screen or whatever, how is the triggergrid controlled? is it AU-compatible so it can be used in Logic? There's not a word about it on their site..
 
Everything has MPC style pads. You can do so much more with a monome and the right software.

I feel you but i don't really see the in studio practicality of those pads. It would be great for live performance though. They could've at least gave you the option for the MPC pads instead.
 
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I'm a bit confused... 1. the lower pic is studioblade right, not ikeydock?
also, since ikeydock doesn't have screen or whatever, how is the triggergrid controlled? is it AU-compatible so it can be used in Logic? There's not a word about it on their site..



TriggerGrid is controlled by software you install on your MacBook. Those buttons/pads are fully controllable by any daw.



An on the score topic, this is the type of music that I am
trained in, and used to sing extensively. I am a bass...sometimes second bass.



 
so... what's the use of hd in ikeydock for? extra usb-hd for macbook?
 
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