Former CEO of Open Labs starts NEW COMPANY...

[j.troup]

I didn't know that about your show, who does your camera changes, you graphics for your intro and outro, the theme music, who edits all the video footage from your onsite shoots and videos sent in by customers, and who takes care of the professional marketing you do to promote all this? you do? Wow, I'm impressed, cause we had like 3 guys on bad ass Macs to do it for us.
So i guess this means you agree with me about O-live, that's good.

as for the buildings, I'm not saying it's bad, I'm saying you are wrong that the funds for BB did not come from OL otherwise it wouldn't have been included in the sale. But hey, we've got to live somewhere.

As for the layoffs, your rebuttal is, they had it coming anyway, uh, you show me the receipts of people who bought units because of you and I'll tell you how much of the profits went into staffing. That 4g amount could have paid for a full time sales rep for two months. I think they would have done better.

As for going to Windows and the 64-bit, dude we didn't write the code for Proteus anymore then MC wrote the code for Studio One. As someone who has been around so long you should know that these kind of things always happen as tech progresses. You paid a premium for sounds, so what, sounds are everywhere, in fact those sounds can be bought today for a minimal cost. It seems like you're more into building roadblocks then bridges.

Open Labs is all about bridges now, it's a new day for OL and I agree with a lot of your gripes about the old OL, trust me. We will now do all the things that didn't happen in the past. Watch us.

Well bridge me Windows 7 drivers, the sounds that I paid a premium for, and a way that I can install Windows 7 myself, because I'll be damned if I'm going to pay OL for an OS install, when I get a free license from Microsoft.


Do that, and the next owner of my Miko, Timbaland Special Edition will be very happy.

 

[Isk2009]

This thread has stood the test of time..

 

[Wha Chu Mean]

Do you hear yourself?? NanoTechnology?? Are you insane?? You do realize that this is a STARTUP music hardware/software company, right?

You're talking about how they should have invested MILLIONS AND MILLIONS in R&D, when they haven't even shipped out the first unit produced yet!

You're acting like this is a company with 10's of millions at their disposal.

You're talking about Intel, Nokia, Microsoft, THE UNITED STATES MILITARY, Edgar Bronfman...and VICTOR WONG FROM AUSTIN TEXAS, who sells music making machines to musicians.



Do you have ANY idea how silly you sound?

No Sir!

I didn't say they should have invested millions of dollars! Please re-read my post. I was saying in essence they could have leached off of better tech than what they chose.

If their resources and ideas were allocated correctly they could have used millions or dollars of research that's already been done, completed and on the market for relatively cheap.

What I was pointing out by all the "big" named companies you listed. Was that the way in which most of the "modern" world interfaces with electronics is about to shift/ is shifting. As you had stated touch screen is the future... which is an incorrect statement and a farce on your part. Touch screen is the tech of now! My car's head unit is touch screen, my phone is touch screen, my stove/oven is touch screen etc etc.

Reading is fundamental to comprehension. Please do so more carefully rather than trying to unleash a tirade on all those who oppose your views.

 

[lilro]

LOL @ 2010 Troup arguing with a clone of 2008 troup. Now he knows how it was. LOL.

 

[j.troup]

I was doing some reading last night, and it seems as if Cubase 5.5 comes with a 64 bit plugin wrapper STANDARD!


So all my 32 bit plugs will work in my 64 bit environment!!



Plus, Music Computing is including some custom software called TriggerGrid, which lets me assign/edit samples to each of my 64 pads.


So I shouldn't have to use Reason's Redrum / NN-XT to do my drums.


And apparently there's an app that will unpack refills for use in other audio applications. So that's great as well!



Now I have to check and see if Stylus RMX is 64 bit...I'm pretty sure it is tho.

64 BIT SUPPORT FOR WINDOWS

• RMX 1.7 includes native 64-bit support for Windows hosts.

Yeeeeaaahhh buddy!!

 

[1613 Entertainment]

Have they sent your keyboard yet?

 

[biggrome]

And apparently there's an app that will unpack refills for use in other audio applications. So that's great as well!

This is good news!!! I can kill REASON off altogether.


... unless that app is that "refill unpacker" that's out there already, that only works 10% of the time.

 

[j.troup]

Have they sent your keyboard yet?

Shipping today.

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This is good news!!! I can kill REASON off altogether.


... unless that app is that "refill unpacker" that's out there already, that only works 10% of the time.

lol. idk what it was, I didn't ask. I'll ask him if I see him online tho.

 

[biggrome]

I had it. Everything has to be "perfect" for it to work... although it did work.

Can't believe somebody hasn't made something new / different or enhanced the one that's already out. It was free but hard to find.

Propellerheads should just sell their modules separately as vsti's. They'd make a killing. Just sell 'em for $100 a piece and people can pick and chose the ones they like but noooooo.... they are going to do whatever the hell Propellerheads wants to do... at a snails pace. They would make more that the entire REASON product costs.

Sounds like a a cutting edge setup you're getting Troup. With music being my favorite "pastime" I know new gear is always exciting. I have about 5 different EQ's that I paid for, lol. Overkill. I bought another one yesterday... I can't stop myself if I see a low price.

 

[j.troup]

I had it. Everything has to be "perfect" for it to work... although it did work.

Can't believe somebody hasn't made something new / different or enhanced the one that's already out. It was free but hard to find.

Propellerheads should just sell their modules separately as vsti's. They'd make a killing. Just sell 'em for $100 a piece and people can pick and chose the ones they like but noooooo.... they are going to do whatever the hell Propellerheads wants to do... at a snails pace. They would make more that the entire REASON product costs.

Sounds like a a cutting edge setup you're getting Troup. With music being my favorite "pastime" I know new gear is always exciting. I have about 5 different EQ's that I paid for, lol. Overkill. I bought another one yesterday... I can't stop myself if I see a low price.

I'm just trying to really step it up, cuz i'm doing way more stuff, musically. Especially since I'm about to try to push into this film scoring stuff, I'm gonna need a rock solid system.

That's why I'm making the push for everything to be 64 bit, so I can fully utilize the 8GB of RAM that the new system is coming with. Because these EQWL libraries, Omnisphere, and these new Waves plugins that I got don't be PLAYING. And since my average beat project is ranging about 30 tracks, and then when you got 70 tracks of vocals on top of that (plus mixing), I need to have as top of the line as I can get.


And yeah, I can see them piecing out the Reason modules. At $50 or $100, I'd buy the Thor...man, plus that library it comes with? I'd definitely buy it.

It's almost like Prophead is on that stuff that Apple was on, before they were actually good. They didn't wanna listen to what people actually wanted, they just wanted to do stuff their way. That's why nobody who was doing actual BUSINESS would take them seriously.

 

[biggrome]

I'm just trying to really step it up, cuz i'm doing way more stuff, musically. Especially since I'm about to try to push into this film scoring stuff, I'm gonna need a rock solid system.

I read awhile ago that those college guys / gals that show up at those SUNDANCE type festivals always need movies scored and always need music... and big name studios show up to see the flicks. They said the college people actually have trouble finding music they can use legally in their movies. I saw a book on film scoring the other day in an electronics store... but it was thick as hell... so I didn't pick it up, lol.

Do the damn thang man. A placement on the next B.O.B mixtape ain't all that's out there.

Hell, I knew a dude that made "A LIVING" off of local TV commercial jingles when I was in Arizona.

 

[j.troup]

I read awhile ago that those college guys / gals that show up at those SUNDANCE type festivals always need movies scored and always need music... and big name studios show up to see the flicks. They said the college people actually have trouble finding music they can use legally in their movies. I saw a book on film scoring the other day in an electronics store... but it was thick as hell... so I didn't pick it up, lol.

Do the damn thang man. A placement on the next B.O.B mixtape ain't all that's out there.

Hell, I knew a dude that made "A LIVING" off of local TV commercial jingles when I was in Arizona.

And that's exactly the route that I'm about to go. Film scores was always where I wanted to be, but I figured I'd go the commercial route first, because it was "easy", then take that money, and go get me a degree in classical music composition, then chase the film score thing.

But I'm just sitting here like okay, I've spent 7 years learning how to produce music, so why am I still wasting time on this commercial stuff, when it ain't what I wanna do?? So I said F it.


And you're right...indie film makers need music all the time. I got a friend who's up in NYC, who graduated from Full Sail film school, who's constantly hitting me up for music, for her indie stuff. Last thing I did for her was sponsored by the City of New York, and Nike. They sent me a nice lil check, and a gang of free Nike apparel.


So I'm gonna spend the rest of 2010 putting together some score demo's, so that I'll have work to shop to people, and at the top of 2011, I'm gonna start hitting indie film makers up, like...

http://www.48hourfilm.com/


But like you said, those indie films are the ones that are at those film festivals, and are the ones that become the hollywood blockbusters, and they have TROUBLE finding music that they can use legally!



So yeah...it's bout time I stop bull shitting and do what I REALLY want to do. And ain't no time like the present.


So that's why i need the beefy system! Cuz it's time to go all the way in!

 

[ptonemusic]

Film scoring is way harder to break into than music..

 

[neverenoughfunk]

Film scoring is way harder to break into than music..

true for major studios... but for independent film makers there is a void when it comes to scoring/backdrop music...

in other words there is money to be made...

also for "skin" flicks too...

i am currently under contract with the ex-owner of D&D Studios (does skin flicks) and i have problems keeping up with the work. he nornally has anywhere from 3 to 5 projects per month. i am at the point when i have to sub-contract some of the work out...

 

[j.troup]

true for major studios... but for independent film makers there is a void when it comes to scoring/backdrop music...

in other words there is money to be made...

Exactly. And those indie films are the ones that go to the film festivals and get made into major motion pictures.


It's the same as with the beat game. You do music for an indie, and then they go major, and that's how you get in the game.


No way in hell I'd start out scoring a Steven Spielberg flick. That's even insane to think.

 

[nenapel]

And that's exactly the route that I'm about to go. Film scores was always where I wanted to be, but I figured I'd go the commercial route first, because it was "easy", then take that money, and go get me a degree in classical music composition, then chase the film score thing.

But I'm just sitting here like okay, I've spent 7 years learning how to produce music, so why am I still wasting time on this commercial stuff, when it ain't what I wanna do?? So I said F it.


And you're right...indie film makers need music all the time. I got a friend who's up in NYC, who graduated from Full Sail film school, who's constantly hitting me up for music, for her indie stuff. Last thing I did for her was sponsored by the City of New York, and Nike. They sent me a nice lil check, and a gang of free Nike apparel.


So I'm gonna spend the rest of 2010 putting together some score demo's, so that I'll have work to shop to people, and at the top of 2011, I'm gonna start hitting indie film makers up, like...

http://www.48hourfilm.com/


But like you said, those indie films are the ones that are at those film festivals, and are the ones that become the hollywood blockbusters, and they have TROUBLE finding music that they can use legally!



So yeah...it's bout time I stop bull shitting and do what I REALLY want to do. And ain't no time like the present.


So that's why i need the beefy system! Cuz it's time to go all the way in!

Inspiring stuff. It's always a funny thing to find out that your most intimate plans are also shared by others.

I wish you the best of luck.

Serious questions :

"get me a degree in classical music composition"

1. What colleges/institutions have you thought about ? Or (which is just another way to formulate the question) which ones would you recommend ?

2. No disrespect at all (I myself have "mastered" - I stress the word - no single instrument) but :

How does one (HOW DO YOU) plan to go to College for a degree in classical music composition without being able to play the piano ? And when I say play the piano (or guitar, or ...) I'm referring to those who have played the piano since age 6 or so.....................

3. Have you considered "interning" under a mentor instead of getting a degree???

What are the chances that a mentor would accept you if (again) you do not have the skills of a classically trained musician ? Money (which I could pays in the ten thousands) ???

Thanks if you can answer these with the best of your abilities. PM if you prefer to do so

 

[j.troup]

Serious questions :

"get me a degree in classical music composition"

1. What colleges/institutions have you thought about ? Or (which is just another way to formulate the question) which ones would you recommend ?

University of Cincinnati's College Conservatory of Music. One of the tops in the country, if not the world.

2. No disrespect at all (I myself have "mastered" - I stress the word - no single instrument) but :

How does one (HOW DO YOU) plan to go to College for a degree in classical music composition without being able to play the piano ? And when I say play the piano (or guitar, or ...) I'm referring to those who have played the piano since age 6 or so.....................

I have classical training as a singer, and I play a few instruments.

You don't have to be able to play the piano to compose music, any more than you have to be able to draw to be a graphic designer.

Composition is in the mind. You have to know the way the notes and rhythms work together, and be able to craft intricate layers that work together, and move together. And with computers, you can tell the computer what to play, and it'll play it for you.

I can't play the violin either, but with my DAW and a hell of a VST, you'd never know.

3. Have you considered "interning" under a mentor instead of getting a degree???

I want the formal education. That way, I get the opportunity to be mentored by many, many professionals.

What are the chances that a mentor would accept you if (again) you do not have the skills of a classically trained musician ? Money (which I could pays in the ten thousands) ???

See #2




Hope this answers ur questions.

 

[ptonemusic]

true for major studios... but for independent film makers there is a void when it comes to scoring/backdrop music...

in other words there is money to be made...

A void? Are you saying there's a shortage of composition graduates with the same idea?

I'm sure there's unpaid work around but for anything decent the competition is unreal. Just consider the fact that nearly every composer will have at least 10yrs of formal training. Infact the only untrained composers I can think of started off as popstars first.

 

[neverenoughfunk]

A void? Are you saying there's a shortage of composition graduates with the same idea?

no, i am not saying that there is a shortage of composition graduates...

what i am saying is creating a film has become pretty cheap compared to 20/10 years ago... basically, you could have a film production studio/company with camera, computer and software just like the current music business... there are just as many aspiring film makers as "want to be' producers/beatmakers/song writer... do you know how many individuals invest into film/music not to make a dime... they pay for lighting, sound, music and never make a profit or the project ends up in the red?

I'm sure there's unpaid work around but for anything decent the competition is unreal.

that depends on what one would call "decent/competitive"... 2 $2000 project per month is $4000... 50K a year... as your name get known in the indie film arena then there will be more projects for more money... plus, creating back drop music for film is only "one" avenue of income... i do not care who the artist is... if they are in the music making business... they are always on the grind...

Just consider the fact that nearly every composer will have at least 10yrs of formal training. Infact the only untrained composers I can think of started off as popstars first.

that is incorrect... what happen if the producer of the film just wants different sound effects or jazz backdrop music or folk or rock or hip hop any style besides classical? you do not have to be a formally trained composer to create music for film... if the project calls for it then it is needed...

this is 2010 and that "ole school" thinking is "ole school"...

there use to be a time when having credentials "ruled"... today it is about delivering a "quality product"...

p.s. one of my favorite sound tracks of all times is from "super fly"... Curtis Mayfield was not formally trained... a matter of fact self taught...

 

[ptonemusic]

that is incorrect... what happen if the producer of the film just wants different sound effects or jazz backdrop music or folk or rock or hip hop any style besides classical?

Isn't that what library music is for?

You do not have to be a formally trained composer to create music for film... if the project calls for it then it is needed...

this is 2010 and that "ole school" thinking is "ole school"...

there use to be a time when having credentials "ruled"... today it is about delivering a "quality product"...

p.s. one of my favorite sound tracks of all times is from "super fly"... Curtis Mayfield was not formally trained... a matter of fact self taught...

Actually that was Lyle Workman who did the superbad soundtrack, Danny Elfman is another guy who came over from the pop side. I see what you're saying though and you have some interesting points.

I suppose it's about carving a niche. I'm just not totally convinced there's enough work going around for non traditional composers. I'd love to be proved wrong though.