Former CEO of Open Labs starts NEW COMPANY...

[wraith302]

i'm just saying while it looks like a neat toy it doesnt seem very polished. like the software for the system was designed for a keyboard and mouse, thats the same idea i got with the old windows phones. maybe apple will come along and do a proper and efficient touchscreen music system lol

oh well, yall seem to have enough industry connects so i'm sure the sales will speak for themselves whether or not im right.

 

[neverenoughfunk]

That was an awesome demo.

just curious...

what make this demo so awesome?

basic drum track; two guitar tracks/playing powerchords/using guitar rig; 2 synth arp parts...

you could use any "DAW" to do that...

did i miss something?

 

[THEVIRUSPRODUCTIONS]

^^^^^

LOL I agree.

 

[j.troup]

LOL,

I don't see a problem with the consumer requesting what they want.
Even stating where the short comings are and viable alternatives at a better price.
Maybe everyone at M.C. believes in the "any customer can have a car painted any color that he wants so long as it is black" motto.
Who's the top car company now (that motto only works if you have the only product on the market)? Similar principle different product.
I work in R&D... Mechanical Engineer!
That's what occupies my time, not music.
Secondly, I'm part of an auto repair shop (I'm in the process of doing a custom paint job on my benz, the caddi might be next).
When I have free time and feel inspired I may make a few tracks.

If their resources and ideas were allocated correctly they could have used millions or dollars of research that's already been done, completed and on the market for relatively cheap.
They seem to have overstretched beyond their core market (this is very costly for companies).
If you make widget A and are known for making widget A, don't make widget B (unless you can afford to do so and as such done thoroughly).
Also, if you aren't known for making anything why not focus on one product that you can put all of your resources into?
That would allow further refinement and progression toward a better product... yes?
Hey... didn't Microsoft doing something like that? Hmmm... here are a few quotes about starting entrepreneurial endeavors:

"To turn $100 into $110 is work. To turn $100 million into $110 million is inevitable" -- Edgar Bronfman

"Money is the seed of money, and the first guinea is sometimes more difficult to acquire than the second million." -- Jean Jacques Rousseau

Further more; I was not comparing Nokia to M.C.
Intel is researching the same tech


I was stating where developers are aiming to take nano technology ("the future" as you put it).
As far as touch screen is concerned I'm doubting it will last much longer in its current format.
Virtual/ Holographic technology is making a lot of headway.
More so it is unbound compared to the standard touch screen format (think of Tony Stark's Virtual Feedback C.A.D. system in Iron Man).

Jump to 1:09

That maybe even unnecessary with one of thee neuro based devices that are being developed.
You will be able to interact with items like the Lawnmower Man more or less.
Just remember the military is a few years ahead of what is being released for public viewing... Moore's Law.

http://www.medicaldesignbriefs.com/component/content/article/7873

http://www.smu.edu/News/2010/research-artificial-limbs-08sept2010.aspx

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21901445/

Do you hear yourself?? NanoTechnology?? Are you insane?? You do realize that this is a STARTUP music hardware/software company, right?

You're talking about how they should have invested MILLIONS AND MILLIONS in R&D, when they haven't even shipped out the first unit produced yet!

You're acting like this is a company with 10's of millions at their disposal.

You're talking about Intel, Nokia, Microsoft, THE UNITED STATES MILITARY, Edgar Bronfman...and VICTOR WONG FROM AUSTIN TEXAS, who sells music making machines to musicians.



Do you have ANY idea how silly you sound?

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just curious...

what make this demo so awesome?

basic drum track; two guitar tracks/playing powerchords/using guitar rig; 2 synth arp parts...

you could use any "DAW" to do that...

did i miss something?

It wasn't about making an amazing track. It was about just showing some of the work flow on the machine.



Geez...I don't see how a bunch of Frooty Loops producers got such high expectations.



I guess cuz $2500 is still alot of money to people, so they want JESUS to live inside the box and co-produce their tracks for that price tag.

 

[neverenoughfunk]

It wasn't about making an amazing track. It was about just showing some of the work flow on the machine.

my comment was not towards you!!

Geez...I don't see how a bunch of Frooty Loops producers got such high expectations.

not everyone that comments in this thread are Frooty Loop Producers and if they are what is your point?

I guess cuz $2500 is still alot of money to people, so they want JESUS to live inside the box and co-produce their tracks for that price tag.

take a look at my tool box below... that is what i use but have tons of other stuff... $2500 is not a large amount money... not sure why you keep harping on "$2500" for... a matter of fact today is Nov 1 and taxes are due... my tax bill is $2700 a quarter... plus, mortage is due today too... close to $4500 has to be paid out today... $2500 is not allot of money...

 

[F00T]

I was saying the video was a great demonstration of what the product is and how it works....thus....a great demo

 

[youngjboy]

my comment was not towards you!!




not everyone that comments in this thread are Frooty Loop Producers and if they are what is your point?




take a look at my tool box below... that is what i use but have tons of other stuff... $2500 is not a large amount money... not sure why you keep harping on "$2500" for... a matter of fact today is Nov 1 and taxes are due... my tax bill is $2700 a quarter... plus, mortage is due today too... close to $4500 has to be paid out today... $2500 is not allot of money...

Agreed on a lot of your points. $2500 is relative to the person buying it and whether they feel it is worth it or not. Just because someone doesn't feel like the tech is worth the asking price doesn't mean that they can't afford it, although that seems to be a default response on here as soon as you don't think a product is all that.

 

[Jason_Chase]

Hey J.Troup I checked out the website and this Studio Blade is no more than $3,800.00 maxed out!! With the technology that is inside this machine that is crazy the demo seems good the workflow looks great to me. All you so called "producers" who keep saying it cost to much money start raising the prices on your beats a $3,000 investment in your craft should be light work!!

 

[MrDuke]

just curious...

what make this demo so awesome?

basic drum track; two guitar tracks/playing powerchords/using guitar rig; 2 synth arp parts...

you could use any "DAW" to do that...

did i miss something?

It was horrible TBH, IMHO...

Reminds me of these 'Tube videos of dudes making the wackest two-bar beats with their $8000 Oasys presets.

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today is Nov 1 and taxes are due... my tax bill is $2700 a quarter... plus, mortage is due today too... close to $4500 has to be paid out today... $2500 is not allot of money...

Everything is relative.

 

[ultra auris]

everyone has different needs, but to me, I have a lot better places to invest 3gs into gearwise.

 

[sugarbeats]

So If I'm following this thread right, J, you are saying that Open labs hasn't kept up with the current technology and that Music Computing is.
So let's see, 64-bit was released to the main stream market in 2003 according to wikipedia. So I wonder, did you ask about this from Open Labs a year ago, 2 years ago? You were an endorsed artist, surley they would have listened to you. What was their reply? And isn't the same big bad OL that wouldn't give you 64-bit drivers 2 or 3 years ago actually managed by the same people you are dealing with in MC? It seems odd that, as you put it, the former CEO and the lead tech person of OL didn't think to bring 64-bit into their units years ago, yet now all of the sudden, their new company is using the 64- bit structure. You've also stated that now OL is working on the 64-bit platform. So is it just me, or do you see a connection here. Sometimes I think we need to look deeper to see the common threads that run through the success and, or failure of a company's strategy.

 

[j.troup]

So If I'm following this thread right, J, you are saying that Open labs hasn't kept up with the current technology and that Music Computing is.
So let's see, 64-bit was released to the main stream market in 2003 according to wikipedia. So I wonder, did you ask about this from Open Labs a year ago, 2 years ago? You were an endorsed artist, surley they would have listened to you. What was their reply? And isn't the same big bad OL that wouldn't give you 64-bit drivers 2 or 3 years ago actually managed by the same people you are dealing with in MC? It seems odd that, as you put it, the former CEO and the lead tech person of OL didn't think to bring 64-bit into their units years ago, yet now all of the sudden, their new company is using the 64- bit structure. You've also stated that now OL is working on the 64-bit platform. So is it just me, or do you see a connection here. Sometimes I think we need to look deeper to see the common threads that run through the success and, or failure of a company's strategy.

Hmm...interesting. This is your very first post here at FP?


I think I'll have one of the mods do a trace route on your IP address, and see if it doesn't come back to Austin, Texas.


But just for shits and giggles, I'll respond to the post as if I don't know who you are, mmmkay? Alrighty then...




On second thought, F it. I think quoting you will prove my point even more...

Now...while we are on the subject of 64-bit, and this odd opinion that I see popping up on other forums, about how "some companies" are totally about the future, and Open Labs is resisting this push, I would like to point out some important points:

-64-bit operating systems have been available since 2003.

-Open Labs, Inc. was in existence until August of 2010, under the direction and helm of individuals who are not with the "new" Open labs.

-During this time, no work was ever done on a 64-bit solution. In fact, during the last 2 years, the user base asked about this possibility constantly. It was disregarded.

-Open Labs LLC has been in existence since September of 2010, under new management, but with the same R&D team and the same technical support team.

-Open Labs LLC will have a solution within a time frame that can be considered "near future".

-Open Labs LLC continues to provide support and upgrade options to Gen 2 units. Longevity is not an issue, and shouldn't even be on the table.

I'll let you guys do the math.

As for the "open discussion", all I can say is "haters gonna hate". Those guys that are selling off their gear? That's their decision. If they think they are making the moves they need to make, and are willing to put their professional careers on the line, that is their decision. I believe the strength of our community, and the demonstration that we are not only here but plan on staying is all that needs to be said.

It's very strange that both of your posts have the same tone.


Innnnnnnteresting!




Next I'll address the "Old Open Labs" and the "New Open Labs". But unlike you, I'm gonna name names, cuz my job isn't on the line.







Fact #1: Hank Coleman has been running the day-to day operations at Open Labs since mid to late 2008. At that point, Victor Wong shifted from running the day to day operations, to being the President, serving in more of a Public Relations role...aka being the face of the company to the public, bringing in more customers, and more high profile users.

How do I know this? Because I talked to both Victor AND Hank around the time period that the transition took place.


Fact #2: Open Labs was and is governed by a Board Of Directors, not just one man. It was this board of directors who hired outside consultants, who got Open Labs into debt that amounted to about $50,000 a month in loan payments. These consultants were subsequently fired.


Fact #3: In MAY of 2010, this very same Board of Directors made the decision to sell the company, but kept it on the low. It was at this point that tech support all but stopped responding to support requests, but yet they continued to sell units, knowing that the company was about to fold. Victor Wong LEFT the company at this point.

The "New Open Labs" wouldn't even exist if the new investors weren't found at the last minute, to give an infusion of cash, and debt restructuring.


Fact #4: Yes, 64 Bit OS's have existed since 2003, but the majority of music software wasn't able to take advantage of this until about 2008 or so. And even AFTER OL customer base started demanding certain features, OL, governed by it's board, continued it's stance on not supporting Windows 7, or 64 bit Operating Systems. It was only after it was announced that the competing company MUSIC COMPUTING would fully support 64 Bit OS's, that Open Labs decided to "announce" that 64 Bit support would be coming within the next few months.

Wow, what a timing coincidence!


Fact #5: Yes, J.Troup WAS an endorsed artist of Open Labs...that is, until certain people at Open Labs saw the Music Computing debut launch webcast!

Funny thing is, I never told anyone that I wasn't an endorsed artist of Open Labs. So who would have that information, except someone on the inside at OL??


Fact #6: I still own my Miko and continue to speak highly of it. But I guess since I decided to buy another product that fit my needs, that voided my Endorsed Artist contract.


Fact #7: Being an endorsed artist of Open Labs got me following things:

1. A 7% Discount on my Miko (Which was $5000)
2. 2 Tee Shirts
3. A spot under the Spotlight Artists section on the OL website

So yeah...basically NOTHING.




If Open Labs cared about staying on the cutting edge, and actually cared about what their customers want, with their R&D spending power, and over 10 years in the business, they could have put the focus on 64 bit support a long time ago. They could have given customers a re-design of the unit (as in a TILT SCREEN) a long time ago.


But it's funny...if Victor Wong was the PROBLEM at OL, and he was the reason that 64 BIT and TILT SCREENS and other features didn't get implemented, then why on earth would he start another company, and implement these VERY FEATURES in his flagship product??

If he didn't see the value then, why would he see the value now??



Gotta use ur brain here.

 

[TonyBlu]

Damn Troup you put it into prospective. I think OL lost their contract too with presonus firebox since Presonus has moved to the fm studio.


What I wanted to know is can people still buy these shits, since the OL reversion, I havent heard but like 1 person say they bought one, and it was bought literally days before the foreclosure was announced.

 

[ogami1972]

hey, Troup. This is m.corley. I have just one account, and this is it. So, no, that wasn't me. Though it does sound like a like-minded fellow.


All I'll say on this thread is: time will tell.

 

[j.troup]

hey, Troup. This is m.corley. I have just one account, and this is it. So, no, that wasn't me. Though it does sound like a like-minded fellow.


All I'll say on this thread is: time will tell.

Man...another 1 post account.


IP check on aisle 3 please, IP check on aisle 3.

 

[sugarbeats]

Hmm...interesting. This is your very first post here at FP?


I think I'll have one of the mods do a trace route on your IP address, and see if it doesn't come back to Austin, Texas.


But just for shits and giggles, I'll respond to the post as if I don't know who you are, mmmkay? Alrighty then...




On second thought, F it. I think quoting you will prove my point even more...







It's very strange that both of your posts have the same tone.


Innnnnnnteresting!




Next I'll address the "Old Open Labs" and the "New Open Labs". But unlike you, I'm gonna name names, cuz my job isn't on the line.







Fact #1: Hank Coleman has been running the day-to day operations at Open Labs since mid to late 2008. At that point, Victor Wong shifted from running the day to day operations, to being the President, serving in more of a Public Relations role...aka being the face of the company to the public, bringing in more customers, and more high profile users.

How do I know this? Because I talked to both Victor AND Hank around the time period that the transition took place.


Fact #2: Open Labs was and is governed by a Board Of Directors, not just one man. It was this board of directors who hired outside consultants, who got Open Labs into debt that amounted to about $50,000 a month in loan payments. These consultants were subsequently fired.


Fact #3: In MAY of 2010, this very same Board of Directors made the decision to sell the company, but kept it on the low. It was at this point that tech support all but stopped responding to support requests, but yet they continued to sell units, knowing that the company was about to fold. Victor Wong LEFT the company at this point.

The "New Open Labs" wouldn't even exist if the new investors weren't found at the last minute, to give an infusion of cash, and debt restructuring.


Fact #4: Yes, 64 Bit OS's have existed since 2003, but the majority of music software wasn't able to take advantage of this until about 2008 or so. And even AFTER OL customer base started demanding certain features, OL, governed by it's board, continued it's stance on not supporting Windows 7, or 64 bit Operating Systems. It was only after it was announced that the competing company MUSIC COMPUTING would fully support 64 Bit OS's, that Open Labs decided to "announce" that 64 Bit support would be coming within the next few months.

Wow, what a timing coincidence!


Fact #5: Yes, J.Troup WAS an endorsed artist of Open Labs...that is, until certain people at Open Labs saw the Music Computing debut launch webcast!

Funny thing is, I never told anyone that I wasn't an endorsed artist of Open Labs. So who would have that information, except someone on the inside at OL??


Fact #6: I still own my Miko and continue to speak highly of it. But I guess since I decided to buy another product that fit my needs, that voided my Endorsed Artist contract.


Fact #7: Being an endorsed artist of Open Labs got me following things:

1. A 7% Discount on my Miko (Which was $5000)
2. 2 Tee Shirts
3. A spot under the Spotlight Artists section on the OL website

So yeah...basically NOTHING.




If Open Labs cared about staying on the cutting edge, and actually cared about what their customers want, with their R&D spending power, and over 10 years in the business, they could have put the focus on 64 bit support a long time ago. They could have given customers a re-design of the unit (as in a TILT SCREEN) a long time ago.


But it's funny...if Victor Wong was the PROBLEM at OL, and he was the reason that 64 BIT and TILT SCREENS and other features didn't get implemented, then why on earth would he start another company, and implement these VERY FEATURES in his flagship product??

If he didn't see the value then, why would he see the value now??



Gotta use ur brain here.

So, aside from my connection with the company, you think you know what's going on just by what a few have told you. The facts are the information you've been given are by a bias source. First of all, Hank was not as truthful as he should have been, plain and simple. Many examples of this were revealed to us after the two of them left. #2, you're right we didn't develop these things and here is why. Funds that should have been used for this were instead invested in other aspects of the comp[any such as O-live, Broadbeats, and LA parties. Do you think the BOD thought all that up? I bet you can figure out who likes to party.

Also, one aspect of this thread was you going on and on about how being an Open Labs endorsed artist has opened so many doors for you. Are you now recanting that fact?

Finally, you are so wrong about the product development side of the story, I mean, who is the bad ass "DJ" of the former OL that did all this research to design and produce the Dbeat (with no tilt screen or 64-bit drivers)? Who designed the Sound Slate? Who decided not to do these other things you mentioned, the board, or did the board just do as they were suggested by those 2?

All I'm saying is that OL is in such a better position now to do some real work and make some cutting edge products, The absence of the Egos and mistruths of the previous regime are gone. I am speaking from the real life experience my friend, not on what someone who has there own interests to protect has told me.

 

[j.troup]

Okay, hold on there buddy...Y'all are double teaming me on 2 separate forums. I'm only one person, so give me a second.

So, aside from my connection with the company, you think you know what's going on just by what a few have told you. The facts are the information you've been given are by a bias source. First of all, Hank was a liar, plain and simple. Many examples of this were revealed to us after the two of them left. #2, you're right we didn't develop these things and here is why. Funds that should have been used for this were instead invested in other aspects of the comp[any such as O-live, Broadbeats, and LA parties. Do you think the BOD thought all that up? I bet you can figure out who likes to party.

Hmm...all of a sudden, the "lies" come out AFTER someone leaves...and the people who reveal these lies are the only people left in charge. Yeah, cuz there's no ulterior motives there. C'mon now.

#2 - You didn't develop 64 bit, windows 7 compatible machines, and implement new features because of O-Live....are you joking? It's a USTREAM SEGMENT. It doesn't cost 10's of thousands of dollars.

Broadbeats...I know exactly how Broadbeats was funded, and it wasn't from Open Labs funds. In fact, Broad Beats claimed no affiliation with Open Labs whatsoever. Had no connection other than it was started by Victor.

LA Parties? The LA party (which I attended) was at the OPEN LABS LA SHOWROOM which was already in operation at the time of the party, and which is STILL IN OPERATION, under the NEW Open Labs.

So who you gon blame for that?

Parties don't cost 10's of thousands of dollars either. Maybe $1000 for the limo, and there was about $1000 worth of food and drink. If you wanna count Vic and Sassy's plane tickets, then add another $1000, and another $1000 for hotel accommodations.


That's not enough to bankrupt OL's R&D. So don't try to put the blame of OL's complacency on anyone but the PEOPLE who were making the decisions.

Also, one aspect of this thread was you going on and on about how being an Open Labs endorsed artist has opened so many doors for you. Are you now recanting that fact?

Not at all. I never bashed OL as a company. I merely stated the fact that they have failed to listen to what customers want. Which they haven't, as evident by their 10 year old product design, and lack of features that customers actually use.

Finally, you are so wrong about the product development side of the story, I mean, who is the bad ass "DJ" of the former OL that did all this research to design and produce the Dbeat (with no tilt screen or 64-bit drivers)? Who designed the Sound Slate? Who decided not to do these other things you mentioned, the board, or did the board just do as they were suggested by those 2?

All I'm saying is that OL is in such a better position now to do some real work and make some cutting edge products, The absence of the Egos and mistruths of the previous regime are gone. I am speaking from the real life experience my friend, not on what someone who has there own interests to protect has told me.

I can't speak to who was calling the shots as to R&D. But you and the OL Posse are trying to save face by pinning the downfall of the company on one person, when that person never once said anything bad about OL at all...not even a bad inference.


Y'all are like republicans, doing some pre-emptive mud slining, because you CAN'T COMPETE ON THE ISSUES.


Compete RIGHT NOW. Not 3-6 months from now.

 

[sugarbeats]

wow, is it that hard to believe that after an element of a situation has been removed that aspects of that element are revealed? You, know when you start checking peoples stories, and they don't add up because you are given more info about it. Has that never happened to you?

As for the board, do you remember who the chairman was? I would think that guy would have some power, no? I mean, that's my understanding of the word "chairman". Let me know if you find out.

O-live took 5 people to run, pretty much full time, equipment was bought, and time was spent preparing, editing and producing the show. I mean if it's so cheap, why don't you do your show everyday for 2 hours, why dosen't everyone in the business do that? Oh, I know, because it's not cheap and it's not easy.

Broadbeats, well we are currently officing out of the old Broadbeats building so I'm not sure how you think we didn't pay the rent and for all the equipment which is still in the building? Again, you are just wrong wrong wrong.

LA party, so that four grand you think the party cost isn't important, what you don't know is a month later my co-workers were getting pink slips. As far as the showroom goes, it cost money too and we had a much larger staff before we had that so you do the math.

"I merely stated the fact that they have failed to listen to what customers want. Which they haven't, as evident by their 10 year old product design, and lack of features that customers actually use."

- How so, we put an Ipod dock on the dBeat, i was told by the guy that had that idea that he had done research and talked to people and that's what they wanted. Was he incorrect?


I'm really not trying to "save face here" I mean, I'm a musician, I studied Jazz arranging at the University of North Texas, I played shows all around the states, the UK, and Japan. I started with OL because I think there is a market for the product and wanted to be a part of the future, but in the end I just want to make music and not have people misrepresent the company I believe in.

lol, but I can see this is pointless. I was trying to shed some light on the subject but it seems you are more then happy with sitting in the dark.

PS you are publicly bashing OL by saying how you are selling your unit because it can't be upgraded which is incorrect. The magical 64-bit drivers you so need will be released soon.

You also said,
"Being an endorsed artist of Open Labs got me following things:

1. A 7% Discount on my Miko (Which was $5000)
2. 2 Tee Shirts
3. A spot under the Spotlight Artists section on the OL website

So yeah...basically NOTHING."







Either way we are still waiting to see what the new company has to offer. I'm sure when you get yours you will let us know.

 

[j.troup]

wow, is it that hard to believe that after an element of a situation has been removed that aspects of that element are revealed? You, know when you start checking peoples stories, and they don't add up because you are given more info about it. Has that never happened to you?

As for the board, do you remember who the chairman was? I would think that guy would have some power, no? I mean, that's my understanding of the word "chairman". Let me know if you find out.

O-live took 5 people to run, pretty much full time, equipment was bought, and time was spent preparing, editing and producing the show. I mean if it's so cheap, why don't you do your show everyday for 2 hours, why dosen't everyone in the business do that? Oh, I know, because it's not cheap and it's not easy.

Broadbeats, well we are currently officing out of the old Broadbeats building so I'm not sure how you think we didn't pay the rent and for all the equipment which is still in the building? Again, you are just wrong wrong wrong.

LA party, so that four grand you think the party cost isn't important, what you don't know is a month later my co-workers were getting pink slips. As far as the showroom goes, it cost money too and we had a much larger staff before we had that so you do the math.


I'm really not trying to "save face here" I mean, I'm a musician, I studied Jazz arranging at the University of North Texas, I played shows all around the states, the UK, and Japan. I started with OL because I think there is a market for the product and wanted to be a part of the future, but in the end I just want to make music and not have people misrepresent the company I believe in.

lol, but I can see this is pointless. I was trying to shed some light on the subject but it seems you are more then happy with sitting in the dark.

PS you are publicly bashing OL by saying how you are selling your unit because it can't be upgraded which is incorrect. The magical 64-bit drivers you so need will be released soon.

You also said,
"Being an endorsed artist of Open Labs got me following things:

1. A 7% Discount on my Miko (Which was $5000)
2. 2 Tee Shirts
3. A spot under the Spotlight Artists section on the OL website

So yeah...basically NOTHING."







Either way we are still waiting to see what the new company has to offer. I'm sure when you get yours you will let us know.

I do do my show...pretty much every day...for about 5-6 hours per day. Except when I have to concentrate on things, and the camera distracts me.

You forget, that I've been around since O-Live started. Actually I was doing my show BEFORE O-Live. If O-Live took 5 full time people to run, then that was an epic failure on the part of OL, and a GROSS misuse of funds.

I mean, you could do O-Live every day, with 1.5 FTE's. Not 5 people. Come on now, I do this for a living. It doesn't take 5 FTE's to put on a U-Stream "this is how you work your Miko" show.


If you're still in the Broadbeats building, then again, that's the fault of OPEN LABS. You complain about the fact that it ran you into the ground, but yet you're still making use of and spending money on the facilities??? Who's fault is that?!?


If your co-workers were getting pink slips a month after the LA party, then $4000 wouldn't have helped them. Their pink slips were written out the months before that. They just didn't know it. That party wasn't the straw that broke the camels back.

And I can all but guarantee there were some sales that came from that LA party. Cuz people were chomping at the bit for those units when I was hyping them up to them.


I'm not bashing OL at all. The fact still remains that NO upgrade path to Windows 7 exists for my Timbaland unit. If it does, then it didn't when I called on 10/20. And I've been begging for 64 bit drivers for the better part of a year. C'mon now.


Proteus doesn't work with Windows 7. So there goes my Timbaland sounds I paid a premium for. MFusion doesn't have drivers for Windows 7 either, from what I understand. So there goes my OS upgrade.

And even if those drivers did exist, I would still have to BUY the upgrade from Open Labs to go to Windows 7, even though I get an unlimited license from Microsoft.

What kind of crap is that??



I'm just speaking the facts. Not bashing anyone. Please feel free to prove me wrong.

 

[sugarbeats]

I didn't know that about your show, who does your camera changes, your graphics for your intro and outro, the theme music, who edits all the video footage from your onsite shoots and videos sent in by customers, and who takes care of the professional marketing you do to promote all this? you do? Wow, I'm impressed, cause we had like 3 guys on bad ass Macs to do it for us.
So i guess this means you agree with me about O-live, that's good.

as for the buildings, I'm not saying it's bad, I'm saying you are wrong that the funds for BB did not come from OL otherwise it wouldn't have been included in the sale. But hey, we've got to live somewhere.

As for the layoffs, your rebuttal is, they had it coming anyway, uh, it was dudes in R&D, they could have been working on 64-bit, you show me the receipts of people who bought units because of you and I'll tell you how much of the profits went into staffing. That 4g amount could have paid for a full time sales rep for two months. I think they would have done better.

As for going to Windows and the 64-bit, dude we didn't write the code for Proteus anymore then MC wrote the code for Studio One. As someone who has been around so long you should know that these kind of things always happen as tech progresses. You paid a premium for sounds, so what, sounds are everywhere, in fact those sounds can be bought today for a minimal cost. It seems like you're more into building roadblocks then bridges.

Open Labs is all about bridges now, it's a new day for OL and I agree with a lot of your gripes about the old OL, trust me. We will now do all the things that didn't happen in the past. Watch us.