j.troup
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What would make you think that? I'll ask someone and get an answer.
And when i get mine in a few days, I'll let you know.
What would make you think that? I'll ask someone and get an answer.
And when i get mine in a few days, I'll let you know.
neverenoughfunk
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i agree 110% but "your" way is not the "only" way!!
just curious, if you do not buy these products does that mean one is not investing into themselves?
i just do not think you have to pull out your wallet to establish relationships. hopefully the "talent" can do most of the talking...
everyone's road is different... IBM laughed Bill Gates out of the door... look at Bill Gates today...
for me maybe a drink or dinner... not a $3500 investment...
i/we have to expand my thought process because of what? i am not sure what that means... so, if i do not think like you i cant see the "forest"? that sounds alittle elitest to me...
bottom line if you are happy i am happy for you... but if individuals do not see things the same way as you does not make them less... they just do not see things the same way...
Focused
Sound Designer/Educator
You cant take everyone with you Troup...
neverenoughfunk
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there are some who like to "mix" their own "kool aid"...
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j.troup
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lol. I know. I'm not trying to take anyone with me. People are asking questions, and I'm answering them.
I'm not trying to convert anyone, and as with the Open Labs gear, the Music Computing gear isn't for everyone. I wouldn't have been ready for a piece like this 5 years ago, because my Computer and Triton were more than enough.
I never said YOU NEED TO BUY THIS BECAUSE IT'S BETTER THAN WHAT YOU HAVE.
Different strokes for different folks.
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You're right. I was just putting out my reasons for being interested in the products, that's all. Just like you said you wouldn't want to stand during a session, so the touch screen wouldn't work for you. And I happen to stand during most of my sessions, so it works great for me!
That's all...just saying why it works for me.
I never said that if you don't buy these products that means one isn't investing in themselves. But you have to PUT YOUR MONEY INTO SOMETHING. You can't just steal your software off the internet, use a free website (Soundclick), and never venture outside of your bedroom, and expect that people are going to line up to write you checks for your music.
It's a very naive thing to think that TALENT will establish business relationships. Cuz you're not the only person with talent. And if I'm selling goods and services, my relationships are gonna be with those who support my goods and services with their DOLLARS, or who's relationship will provide equal goods and services, or will lead to other relationships.
Just cuz you make hot beats doesn't mean that a company is gonna want to have a relationship with you, because that relationship would be one sided.
lol...okay, that's you. But establishing business requires an investment...of more than just $120.
I didn't say anyone was less. But people can't see that buying something is not just always about buying that product. In this case, I'm buying into a relationship. I'm buying into attention, I'm buying into exposure, I'm buying into support, I'm buying into people's curiosity...
Just look at how many people have viewed this thread. When I do a Ustream of me pulling this thing out of the box, watch how many people are going to view that. How many people are going to view the webcast when I start making beats on that thing, just to see how it works? How many people are going to search youtube looking for information on this thing, and they are gonna find ME, because I'm the ONLY PERSON WITH ONE???
How many people are going to pay attention to me when (hypothetically) Music Computing invites me to the next Producer Conference that they are at, to be a spokes person for and to demo their machine? Think about the level of exposure something like that will bring, and how many customers to my own website it'll bring?
That money I paid for my StudioBlade is an INVESTMENT, that will yield results like the ones above, that translate into DOLLARS ON THE BOTTOM LINE.
So with the money I paid, I bought all of the things I named above. That's called MAKING YOUR MONEY WORK FOR YOU.
It's not just about buying a product. You have to THINK BIGGER THAN THAT.
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lilro
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Is it just me or do those "pads" look like the buttons on the $8 universal remote at walmart....I couldn't see myself actually using them. I will say this though, it looks like an upgrade to the open labs stuff...So if you were diggin that then this is a better purchase....but its just not for me
EDIT: And IMO, the only people that would be gettting the relationship from buying this is troup and maybe #0002 and #0003. I don't think those products have enough "necessity" value in them to sell well. This is gonna tank like the Miko in a few years and they'll move on to another name. Kick troup, #0002, and #0003 off the site, and let them pay to beta test the next product.
Free product idea: Production Legos. Have each product (Keyboard, monitors, pads, faders, etc.) be shaped to all sort of "snap" together. And you can mix and match pieces to built a custom rig.
The basic layout would be like the studio blade but instead of the faders and pads being a part of the keyboard, have slots like where the laptop is. Then make a mixer, and some kind of pad device the same size with some kind of locking mechanism to the keyboard. And at the back/top of the mixer or pads, have a latch system to connect a monitor. And sell different size monitors.
And a synth piece with a bunch of knobs.
Have a 88 key with 4 slots, a 61 key with 3, and a 49 with 2.
Have the interface built in to the keyboard to allow for live performance.
Sell the 88 key for 2-3k easy. I don't have the knowledge or resources to ever make this, so im giving up the idea....somebody pass it along
EDIT: And IMO, the only people that would be gettting the relationship from buying this is troup and maybe #0002 and #0003. I don't think those products have enough "necessity" value in them to sell well. This is gonna tank like the Miko in a few years and they'll move on to another name. Kick troup, #0002, and #0003 off the site, and let them pay to beta test the next product.
Free product idea: Production Legos. Have each product (Keyboard, monitors, pads, faders, etc.) be shaped to all sort of "snap" together. And you can mix and match pieces to built a custom rig.
The basic layout would be like the studio blade but instead of the faders and pads being a part of the keyboard, have slots like where the laptop is. Then make a mixer, and some kind of pad device the same size with some kind of locking mechanism to the keyboard. And at the back/top of the mixer or pads, have a latch system to connect a monitor. And sell different size monitors.
And a synth piece with a bunch of knobs.
Have a 88 key with 4 slots, a 61 key with 3, and a 49 with 2.
Have the interface built in to the keyboard to allow for live performance.
Sell the 88 key for 2-3k easy. I don't have the knowledge or resources to ever make this, so im giving up the idea....somebody pass it along
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Focused
Sound Designer/Educator
yall never seen a monome before?? ...crazy
j.troup
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The Miko tanked??? Cuz last time I checked Open Labs had been around for about 10 years.
Maybe it's me though.
And do you realize, with your idea, recouping the Research & Development cost alone would push your product out of the 2-3k range.
And even if it did meet your price point, people would still complain...just like they are doing with these $2500 units.
People want things FOR FREE. And when they can't afford them, the talk avout all the things it ISNT, to make themselves feel better about not having one.
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Exactly. People so far behind that they are dissing something more advanced than what they already have!
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neverenoughfunk
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that is one "HELL" of a blank statement...
i never seen one...
not sure what the point is?
is seeing one like going to "Mecca" or something?
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lilro
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Who said anything about a monome...I just said the pads look cheap...nothing to do with the layout or function...
I never said Open Labs tanked. I said the Miko did....It doesn't have that "status". When people say top 3 workstations, you know exactly what they are. Triton, Motif, Fantom. When you talk pads, its the MPC and MV...The miko doesn't even come up in hardware wars...Except for the 5 threads dedicated solely to it.
Recoup would come easy with my idea because IMO it would sell a lot better. Of course people would complain. Everybody does with every product that's released, regardless of price.
And lol @ your last sentence to me. So anybody who's not buying it are only not buying it because they can't afford it?? LOL.
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kaydigi
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Troup did they tell you the exact issue that was wrong with your unit? What is spec size on those 64 pads, they look really small for some reason.
j.troup
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Which further goes to show that you're dissing something that you don't know anything about. Cuz a monome is the latest thing out in the midi/performance game.
Why would your idea sell any better? So choose your own pieces? Kinda like you can with a regular computer. And again, the research and development costs would eat into any profits that you would make, and you'd have to price the units crazy high to recoup the cost of the custom developed hardware to make the unit.
You're dreaming, with no basis in reality.
And the Miko, is not a Fantom, Motif or Triton. Whole different animal, whole different ball game. They are apples and oranges. So to say it tanked because it doesn't sell as well as brand names that have been around for 30 years, is just plain old ridiculous.
If you got that from the statement I made, then that's your own insecurity. You should probably read again.
j.troup
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What's wrong with what unit? If you're talking about why I haven't gotten my StudioBlade yet, it's because they are hand built and hand tested.
If you're talking about my Miko, it's because the hardware (the faders and stuff) are the actual DONGLE to the Proteus software and sound library (all my timbaland sounds). Not only that, Proteus doesn't work in Windows 7. So if I was to upgrade to Windows 7, I'd lose all my Timbaland sounds, which I paid a premium for.
Also too, if I were to upgrade to Windows 7 on my Miko, I'd only be able to go to the 32 bit version of Windows 7, because Open Labs hasn't developed the 64 bit Drivers for the Midi Hardware in my unit.
So basically, it's either I can upgrade to Windows 7 and lose the sounds I paid a premium for, AND still be stuck at 32 bit, or I can stay at Windows XP, with 3GB Ram and 32 Bit.
Oh, and did I mention, that they are bringing out a Windows 7 Upgrade, but I have to PAY FOR IT? I get an unlimited Windows license from my job, and I can't even use that.
So they sold me a unit that they touted as upgradeable, and it's really not. If I upgrade, I lose the very things I paid for, and it's only upgradeable to a point.
So it's time to switch to a product that fits my needs...which are 64 Bit Operating System, and at least 8GB of RAM.
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ultra auris
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cool. the reason I think that is I have used livid controllers before and you had to use velocity curves in software to adjust the velocity. Not really good for drum pads (but i have mpcs for that anyway) Im guessing they were originally made to be monome style buttons and used with max.
What would make you think that? I'll ask someone and get an answer.
And when i get mine in a few days, I'll let you know.
cool. the reason I think that is I have used livid controllers before and you had to use velocity curves in software to adjust the velocity. Not really good for drum pads (but i have mpcs for that anyway) Im guessing they were originally made to be monome style buttons and used with max.
j.troup
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I've never used pads to lay drums, so that whole concept is foreign to me.
If they are velocity sensitive, great. But I'm going to use them as shortcut buttons to drawn out functions, like bringing up certain plugin's, performing certain repetitious functions, etc.
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youngjboy
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I would like to hear the sounds on the Soundblade. Does it actually come with a DAW of some sort? That doesn't sound bad at the price point although I am not crazy about the screen being in the right hand corner. I'll pass on the laptop dock at $1500.
j.troup
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Comes with Presonus Studio One DAW.
Sounds I'm not really concerned with, cuz I have hundreds of gigs of sounds already. I need it for the processing power and the functionality of the workflow tools.
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youngjboy
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I hear ya, but I feel that sounds are relevant as this is positioned as a "workstation".
j.troup
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Right...a WORKstation...which would imply the focus is on the WORK...aka the performance of the machine.
It's not positioned as a SYNTH.
The whole draw to a machine like this is that you can load up whatever you want to, and still have everything all in one. Simplicity, functionality and power.