fantom x vs. motif es (for hiphop use)

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For classical film scoring I'd go with the Roland (I'd go for the Roland for hip-hip too though) because to me, sampling is first and foremost in scoring. Simply because the Fantom X has a better sampler and beter interface to use them makes it important. I say this because Roland's have better scoring tools (way too many films to list have been scored on Rolands...especially the XP keyboards) because the sounds of the ACOUSTIC/REAL instruments that everyone says yamaha has better. There are two reasons for this...while the initial preset may not sound as good as a yammie (to me they do though), the difference in negligable and the Roland sound engines are better to program the presets. Secondly, there are so many good presets in Rolands geared for scoring. Back to the sampler...once you've used the ROM sounds to make your composition you will probably want to repl;ace them with SAMPLED patches instead of the ROM ones are the sampled ones will sound better. Roland's sample patch CD's are the best for classical. The bes brass, percussion, and stringed instrument sounds you'll find out there. ANd, they sound great without the need for effects...as most of their sampled instruments do not have any while the ROM presets of the Roland (and every other workstation keyboard besides a Kurzweil) rely on effects in the preset to get the sound you hear. Turn off the effects in any Keyboard before you listen to the presets and you'll hear which machine truly sounds better. Then you'll know the Roland is king and the engine is king also when it comes to programming the presets. And yes is the awnser to the second part of your post.
 
since im going to have a yamaha 01x on monday, the motif es really appeals to me because of the mlan....

but id really like to be able to try them all extensively before purchase but im not sure if the local keyboard/piano store has these
 
Trusty said:
For classical film scoring I'd go with the Roland (I'd go for the Roland for hip-hip too though) because to me, sampling is first and foremost in scoring. Simply because the Fantom X has a better sampler and beter interface to use them makes it important. I say this because Roland's have better scoring tools (way too many films to list have been scored on Rolands...especially the XP keyboards) because the sounds of the ACOUSTIC/REAL instruments that everyone says yamaha has better. There are two reasons for this...while the initial preset may not sound as good as a yammie (to me they do though), the difference in negligable and the Roland sound engines are better to program the presets. Secondly, there are so many good presets in Rolands geared for scoring. Back to the sampler...once you've used the ROM sounds to make your composition you will probably want to repl;ace them with SAMPLED patches instead of the ROM ones are the sampled ones will sound better. Roland's sample patch CD's are the best for classical. The bes brass, percussion, and stringed instrument sounds you'll find out there. ANd, they sound great without the need for effects...as most of their sampled instruments do not have any while the ROM presets of the Roland (and every other workstation keyboard besides a Kurzweil) rely on effects in the preset to get the sound you hear. Turn off the effects in any Keyboard before you listen to the presets and you'll hear which machine truly sounds better. Then you'll know the Roland is king and the engine is king also when it comes to programming the presets. And yes is the awnser to the second part of your post.
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he's right :( that vs engine is a monster. but it's all up to you though. i've done some cinematic stuff on the yammie that are pretty much based on weaving the elements in the mixing perfectly. takes a crap load of time but it's effective. i'd share some of my work with you trusty if you've got a lil time to chat on aim. "bigjaydognine" is my handle. i'm not on right now but later i'll try to be if i'm not in the studio.
 
I got the fantom X6 and I love it from just playing to sequencing.

but how does more outputs help recording exactly. I ask this b/c i'm accustumed to recording the whole track to the computer at once due to latency when recording one track at a time.
 
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Al_Sween said:
I got the fantom X6 and I love it from just playing to sequencing.

but how does more outputs help recording exactly. I ask this b/c i'm accustumed to recording the whole track to the computer at once due to latency when recording one track at a time.
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What latency? I never have that problem. What are you using for a sound card?
 
Soundblaster Audigy.

I've always had latency when recording into any software...so i just do my beat on a keyboard and record at once.
 
Al_Sween said:
I got the fantom X6 and I love it from just playing to sequencing.

but how does more outputs help recording exactly. I ask this b/c i'm accustumed to recording the whole track to the computer at once due to latency when recording one track at a time.
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more outputs help,b/c,you can record more tracks from your keyboard onto the soft. at one time,which that is called tracking a beat.
 
Al_Sween said:
I got the fantom X6 and I love it from just playing to sequencing.

but how does more outputs help recording exactly. I ask this b/c i'm accustumed to recording the whole track to the computer at once due to latency when recording one track at a time.
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With more outputs, the overall sound is better.

The Motif is a better keyboard. Generally, Yamaha workstations are better than Roland ones.

I had both, and spent lots of hours with both. Maybe the effect section is more comfortable on multitimbre mode, but the programming on the Motif is a lot better. I sold the Phantom, there are better products around there for the same price (or lower...)
 
Although, the Motif ES8 and Fantom X8 are both VERY VERY GOOD keyboards, here's the deal.


In my own humble opinion, the MotifES is suited more for r&b, jazz, ballads cuz of the nice acoustic instruments it has..example the warm strings, guitars, etc. If you're planning to make hip-hop music, the keyboard might make your song lack the hip-hop vibe. Don't get me wrong, it is totally possible to make beats with this keyboard, good bass lines and better DRUMS than the Fantom X.
The fantom X however, has good acoustics (not as good as motif) plus real good synth and those hiphop sounds (from a lack of a better word) you need. The basses, the strings,...etc. Also, it boasts really cool features like the skip back sampling, and it is the most User friendly, I FEEL!

BASICALLY, the Motif is geared towards acoutic sounding stuff. FOr hiphop...get the fantom X, and if you have money BUY BOTH! Damn, den you'll really be making good music...:D Hope that helps....
 
The Motif ES doesn't lack the hip hop vibe. You need to learn the board. It's all about eq'ing and effects.
 
Heh, and to think I still have a Motif original, and I just got a Fantom-S. Cheap prices, and there isnt enough to justify $500 more for the new Fantom-X, in my opinion.
 
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