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T.G.C.
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I just felt like starting some **** up to make this room live. So who's for what?
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DJ Intrickisy
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threads like this have been done over and over in the electronic music forum people are getting really sick of pointlessly arguing about music genre preference. I think trance is way better but some people will say im crazy and nothing will get sovled. And do have nothing better to do than trying to starrt arguments on the Internet.
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sonic::bionic
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Ok. I prefer listening to drum & bass/jungle, but I think that GOOD trance (BT, Hybrid, Robert Miles, etc.) is musically better and harder to produce. Claudio Giussani, who was in Urban Shakedown years and years ago, and is currently half of Union Jack and all of Terra Firma stated that he quit the Urban Shakedown project (which was jungle) to pursue what he described as "musically harder to produce" trance.
Now, I'm not saying D&B/jungle is easy to produce, but it's more of a collage of cool sounds (which is an art unto itself) than an actual full-on musical arrangement encompasing chord progressions, melodies, harmonies, dischords, etc.
Now, I'm not saying D&B/jungle is easy to produce, but it's more of a collage of cool sounds (which is an art unto itself) than an actual full-on musical arrangement encompasing chord progressions, melodies, harmonies, dischords, etc.
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STASIS
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I used to be in love with trance, to me it was sort of a gateway to electronic music. I started realizing though that the future lied in further exploration of rhythm, and I really got sick of the 4/4 beat. I now am into anything serious with breakbeats, alot of which is drum n bass. The previous post on this thread says trance is harder to produce because it is more musically advanced- I agree in terms of melody and chord arrangements, as alot of dnb is pretty monotone, but it makes up for this in terms of rhythm. Trance has the most repetiitive, monotonous beat, and to me I want to mix the advantages of both styles. Add melody to drum n bass, but keep the hard beats. Kinda tough to to pull off, but its worth a try.
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Bongo Fiend
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progressive
It's very rhythm-oriented, but it still has a lot of the atmosphere of trance, albeit often a lot darker and subtler. (It's certainly a challenge to produce as well!) I love a good progressive set - for me, it's a lot more varied and interesting to listen to than 'trance'. But I don't necessarily dislike the trance sound, as long as there are lots of rhythmic elements going on. And as long as the track sounds original.
There's no doubt that d+b is very rhythmically interesting, but just because prog house has a 4/4 kick, doesn't mean there isn't lots of funk interest. It's just a bit less in-your-face
Stasis, have you listened to any progressive house?STASIS said:
It's very rhythm-oriented, but it still has a lot of the atmosphere of trance, albeit often a lot darker and subtler. (It's certainly a challenge to produce as well!) I love a good progressive set - for me, it's a lot more varied and interesting to listen to than 'trance'. But I don't necessarily dislike the trance sound, as long as there are lots of rhythmic elements going on. And as long as the track sounds original.
There's no doubt that d+b is very rhythmically interesting, but just because prog house has a 4/4 kick, doesn't mean there isn't lots of funk interest. It's just a bit less in-your-face
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DJ Skill
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I wouldnt say that trance is harder to produce, the beats take pretty much no effort, but complex breaks and that in dnb can be very difficult. However, i'd say that chords, arpegs, melodies etc do have more to do with music than dnb basslines. Basslines in dnb are hard to get the sound right, but easy to get the melody good. I can't say which I prefer, it depends what kinda mood im in. I was addicted to trance for ages, but lately ive realised how good dnb is! I hate trance when its really cheesy, but i hate dnb when it goes slightly jungle or garage. Well convincing argument there (!) 
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Trada Jonez
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As a hiphopper/ninja tune lad meself, I guess I ain't reet qualified here, 'cept that I think that jungle got waay more bite than trance, and listening to them both, I reckon there's more musicality and room for experimentation in drum n bass's various guises.
Both genres contain pathetic copycats, but trance dont seem to contain anything else.. I mean boom snare boom snare, 2 note basslines, and a lead line, plus some tone deef, auto tuned bint singing something about love and height.. Mr. Dull, I reckon.
Both genres contain pathetic copycats, but trance dont seem to contain anything else.. I mean boom snare boom snare, 2 note basslines, and a lead line, plus some tone deef, auto tuned bint singing something about love and height.. Mr. Dull, I reckon.
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STASIS
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Yeah, I have listened to alot of progressive house. I like alot of it, and it has more percussion, but it is all built around the 4/4 kick. I don't care what you put around it its still there, and its tiresome. I don't get how some dj's and producers don't go insane from dealing with the same beat structure all the time. I just think that breakbeat oriented music has way more room for progression. I'm not putting 4/4 stuff down at all, it just bores me after a bit. I'm after new sounds and rhythms, and Jungle/DnB has alot to offer in this aspect. I do wish some of it was more melodic at times though, and alot of the atmospheric stuff that is melodic isn't quite hard enough. Has anyone heard the new Klute track, 'Song Seller'? Now thats what I'm talking about.....Its only out on dub at the moment, but if you get a chance to hear it anywhere, keep it in mind and you'll know what I'm talking about. Its pushing dnb to the next level. Peace, stASis
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PopD
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-Stasis, word ! 
-here is my opinion on the major differences. Please note when I refer to dnb or trance or house, I am not referring to all examples of these, just my definition of these. . .
-the 4/4 of house/trance/etc. provides the fundamental structure of the song. It is like a reference point within the song, for which you build-arpeggios, basslines, melodies, and other various synth patterns. So when you hear a house/trance/etc. song you still hear the underlying structure of the 4/4, it becomes ~given, or expected. Everything that comes in the song "references" the structure of the 4/4, cuz if not it would sound like crap! So no matter how tricky a riff/melody/pattern it is, it's still held together with the 4/4 glue.
-"breakbeat" (dnb, jungle, breaks, non-4/4) is much braver. It takes the 4/4 (the reference point, foundation) drum track and turns it into a melody/pattern itself. It breaks up the monotonous structure (which is dangerous) and forms a new, more interesting structure in which to build new-melodies/arpeggios/basslines/chord cycles off of. What ends up happening is that these melodies, etc . that depend on this new drum track end up sounding very different and unique by themselves, because unlike other styles, they are not referencing the 4/4. Plus there is less of a need for "trickyness" in a pattern, because the foundation is already "tricky" and the best patterns, imo are the simplest.
-I followed a similar route to stasis. First it was about the house, then all trance, and then techno. 3 completely different styles except for the 4/4. House, with more samples, less electronic; Trance with the anthem chords, arpeggio's, feelings; and Techno with it's simplistic 1-measure phrases. My tastes graduated to breaks. Since I like to hit the clubs occasionally and work up a sweat, I am more into the danceable breakbeat (snare on 2 and 4, ~135-145bpm) as opposed to the dnb/jungle form of breaks. (~180bpm). I like to listen to dnb in the car, but not at the club.
-oh, and what does "out on dub" mean?
-here is my opinion on the major differences. Please note when I refer to dnb or trance or house, I am not referring to all examples of these, just my definition of these. . .
-the 4/4 of house/trance/etc. provides the fundamental structure of the song. It is like a reference point within the song, for which you build-arpeggios, basslines, melodies, and other various synth patterns. So when you hear a house/trance/etc. song you still hear the underlying structure of the 4/4, it becomes ~given, or expected. Everything that comes in the song "references" the structure of the 4/4, cuz if not it would sound like crap! So no matter how tricky a riff/melody/pattern it is, it's still held together with the 4/4 glue.
-"breakbeat" (dnb, jungle, breaks, non-4/4) is much braver. It takes the 4/4 (the reference point, foundation) drum track and turns it into a melody/pattern itself. It breaks up the monotonous structure (which is dangerous) and forms a new, more interesting structure in which to build new-melodies/arpeggios/basslines/chord cycles off of. What ends up happening is that these melodies, etc . that depend on this new drum track end up sounding very different and unique by themselves, because unlike other styles, they are not referencing the 4/4. Plus there is less of a need for "trickyness" in a pattern, because the foundation is already "tricky" and the best patterns, imo are the simplest.
-I followed a similar route to stasis. First it was about the house, then all trance, and then techno. 3 completely different styles except for the 4/4. House, with more samples, less electronic; Trance with the anthem chords, arpeggio's, feelings; and Techno with it's simplistic 1-measure phrases. My tastes graduated to breaks. Since I like to hit the clubs occasionally and work up a sweat, I am more into the danceable breakbeat (snare on 2 and 4, ~135-145bpm) as opposed to the dnb/jungle form of breaks. (~180bpm). I like to listen to dnb in the car, but not at the club.
-oh, and what does "out on dub" mean?
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T.G.C.
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Well first off, for the first person who replied to this thread, basically this isn't for you. I just felt like starting some **** up and seeing where people's heads were at and seeing who liked what. True it's an endless debate. But lighten up dogg, it's only conversation!!!
DJ Intrickisy <------
threads like this have been done over and over in the electronic music forum people are getting really sick of pointlessly arguing about music genre preference. I think trance is way better but some people will say im crazy and nothing will get sovled. And do have nothing better to do than trying to starrt arguments on the Internet.
DJ Intrickisy <------
threads like this have been done over and over in the electronic music forum people are getting really sick of pointlessly arguing about music genre preference. I think trance is way better but some people will say im crazy and nothing will get sovled. And do have nothing better to do than trying to starrt arguments on the Internet.
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fishi
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mix these two together and you have deep progressive dub....... house! Which I absolutely love!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
i agree that it's a challenge to produce it. it's very hard to make that real darker but not negative atmosphere. Has to stay positive. I like it when it has that refreshing vibe, just like it's the northern wind gently blowing....
yeah, I really love it.
it's a real spiritual music for me.
i agree that it's a challenge to produce it. it's very hard to make that real darker but not negative atmosphere. Has to stay positive. I like it when it has that refreshing vibe, just like it's the northern wind gently blowing....
yeah, I really love it.
it's a real spiritual music for me.
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fishi
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STASIS said:
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Bongo Fiend
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breaks v 4/4
It really depends on how you listen to the music. I can understand that someone can listen to house and find the 4/4 kick annoying, but when I listen to progressive house, I don't really notice the kick per se - rather I listen to the bassline and main percussion rhythms. In a sense, these equate to the breakbeat in d+b.
I think saying that you 'graduated' from 4/4 to breaks hints at a slight sense of elitism. I have gone backwards and forwards between both styles, but I never tire of house. It's a very personal thing.
I see your point, but I think you're being a little one-sided. D+B has its own reference points too - hihats etc. And the snare tends to follow one of a small number of different patterns. As you said, simple often equals best.PopD said:
It really depends on how you listen to the music. I can understand that someone can listen to house and find the 4/4 kick annoying, but when I listen to progressive house, I don't really notice the kick per se - rather I listen to the bassline and main percussion rhythms. In a sense, these equate to the breakbeat in d+b.
I think saying that you 'graduated' from 4/4 to breaks hints at a slight sense of elitism. I have gone backwards and forwards between both styles, but I never tire of house. It's a very personal thing.
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PopD
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. . .to bongo brain
-thank you captain morality, next time I'll send my opinions to your mailbox for some proof reading, oh wise one.
-the simple instance of you characterizing my 'slight sense of elitism' based on my use of the word 'graduate' is total b.s. Despite your massive delusions of grandeur, no one really gives a phuq about your categorization of personalities based on word-choice. This thread is about dnb vs. trance, so I was offering my perspective.
-of course I am being one-sided, because I agree with one side, jaggass. I'm not buying your high and mighty neutral authority on every single subject you post on. It is un-opinionated and fake.
-so how 'bout you offer your opinion on subjects, but leave out your b.s. personality critique's. They are getting stale. . .
-thank you captain morality, next time I'll send my opinions to your mailbox for some proof reading, oh wise one.
-the simple instance of you characterizing my 'slight sense of elitism' based on my use of the word 'graduate' is total b.s. Despite your massive delusions of grandeur, no one really gives a phuq about your categorization of personalities based on word-choice. This thread is about dnb vs. trance, so I was offering my perspective.
-of course I am being one-sided, because I agree with one side, jaggass. I'm not buying your high and mighty neutral authority on every single subject you post on. It is un-opinionated and fake.
-so how 'bout you offer your opinion on subjects, but leave out your b.s. personality critique's. They are getting stale. . .
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Tristano
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out on dubplate, sort of acetate d&b producers use to cut their nu tracks for themselves and a small group of lucky assesPopD said:
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Bongo Fiend
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Re: . . .to bongo brain
<person 1>
I like trance, d+b is sh!te
<person 2>
I like d+b, trance is sh!te
<person 3>
It's all sh!te, I like hip-hop.
Just because I don't insult people with a different opinion to my own (like you), doesn't mean I'm not opinionated!! I think it's pretty obvious from my various posts that I vastly favour progressive house.
Also I'm very opinionated in another respect: I hate it when people are really narrow-minded or one-sided. BTW I've never heard the insult 'jaggass' before
I think this would make for a pretty boring discussion:PopD said:
<person 1>
I like trance, d+b is sh!te
<person 2>
I like d+b, trance is sh!te
<person 3>
It's all sh!te, I like hip-hop.
Just because I don't insult people with a different opinion to my own (like you), doesn't mean I'm not opinionated!! I think it's pretty obvious from my various posts that I vastly favour progressive house.
Also I'm very opinionated in another respect: I hate it when people are really narrow-minded or one-sided. BTW I've never heard the insult 'jaggass' before
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fishi
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hahahahaha, haha, aaaaaaaaaahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!
whatabozos!
whatabozos!
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PopD
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Re: Re: . . .to bongo brain
really? then please 'splain why you started this thread:"D + B = trash" and don't give us a bullschit cop out answer about 'striking up conversation' or 'I actually like dnb'. You are undergoing some sic hallucination that the utter crap that pours out of your keyboard actually means something. You might as well be writing in your diary
.but, but, but. . .you're being one-sided.. . . .!
Bongo Fiend said:
really? then please 'splain why you started this thread:"D + B = trash" and don't give us a bullschit cop out answer about 'striking up conversation' or 'I actually like dnb'. You are undergoing some sic hallucination that the utter crap that pours out of your keyboard actually means something. You might as well be writing in your diary
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.but, but, but. . .you're being one-sided.. . . .!
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mano 1
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wrong forum, let me move this to "electronic music"
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STASIS
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Back to trying to get some discussion done on this topic, I want to clear up the hostility in here! I personally love all forms of electronic music, as long as they are serious, passionate, and innovative. By my previous statement regarding progressive house and other 4/4 structure based styles, I only meant to express my own personal feeling that breakbeats are more interesting. This is only my perception of course. If you can concentrate on the music on top of the 4/4 pulse, rather than the beat, I owe you much respect. Its just that when I listen to music of any style, I can't be infinitely satisfied with any one element. I pay attention to every element in the composition of it and I like things to always evolve and expand. So in my own personal taste, I get pretty bored of 4/4 beats. I get bored of uninventive amens and drum n bass beats as well, but there are more possibilities with varied rhythms, so it takes a bit longer. I believe electronic music should constantly expand, as I'm sure everyone else here does. Everyone hears things differently though, and the emphasis on the expansion is therefore placed in different places sometimes. So my point is all styles are good as long as they are done for the purpose of art, and they are heartfelt and true to their intent. I just personally favor more variation in my beatz and rhythmz. Peace to you all-