Dre sued for sample

[SleepTyght]

Nah Sleepy if Forgto About Dre was produced by Scott Storch then he's the one with the lazy David McCallum sample... the whole track virtually is a sample of it... try n check it out, so its courtesy of David McCallum anyway

check the album credits...Scott Storch was on keyboards.....

it's a replay.....

It says PRODUCED BY DRE.....

But we all know what the real deal is....

 

[oneroundko]

quote from bob dylan

"Steal a little and they throw you in jail
steal alot and they make you king"........Bob Dylan

Well Dre, IS, the king.....

 

[mcn]

FL argument

as far as making hip hop with FL, it's hard but can be done, but you have got to get samples though to help out in the long run not just the ones included with FL

 

[SleepTyght]

Re: quote from bob dylan

"Steal a little and they throw you in jail
steal alot and they make you king"........Bob Dylan

Well Dre, IS, the king.....

Dre ACTUALLY......

Used to be a DRAG................................QUEEN

Not a king by anyone's standards...but those drag pics are real.

 

[djfullshred]

aye nowt wrong with sampling dude, but you need to be cleverer than that, or just create all ur own stuff, **** losin $1.5 million just for a wee sample.

SM

I wonder how little it would have cost him to clear the sample before he put out the album. A lot cheaper I suppose. In this day and age, you don't have to be a pro to know that you should clear samples when releasing big-time commercial albums.

 

[Ikemurda]

There's something that I noticed about this board. This board hates successful people. We applaude when a Dre gets sued. We cheer if a Bad Boy release does poorly. Its hypocritical, because everybody on here would love to be in Dre's position or Puffy's. And the real life truth is that if you were in there positions, you would not do things the way you do them now. Cats get on here ranting about creative sampling, and how they take 3 weeks to do a beat, or whether the MPC is better than Fruity Loops, but if you was Dre, on an album of 18 cuts, you may have actually touched an MPC for one of them. Dre has NEVER been a "beat maker", even back in the NWA days. He has ALWAYS been a fader pusher. In addition to Mel Man, Dre got about another 10 beatmakers aka ghost producers over at Aftermath. That doesn't include tracks that he buys from freelance cats. When you reach that level of success, and you the level of demand that a Dre, or Puff, or Timbaland has, you ain't sittin in your room all day programing tracks on the MPC, Triton, FL, Reason, or whatever. FP's own Shondrae, if he got 10 albums to complete this year, I'd bet money that he ain't doing every little pad push, or key pound for every song that carries his production stamp on it. It don't happen.

Them cats ain't like us. The Jordans, the Iversons, the Bryants, they different than the rest of the league. We FP'ers, we collegiate players. Some of us are Division I, some Division II, and some unfortunately are Division III or Juco, but them cats is NBA All Stars. The best of the best. What may be laziness for us, is a means of maximizing productivity for them. And them boys make hits, consistently.

And another thing, the commercial vs. underground thing is a big f*ckin smoke screen. If you make a CD, and you trying to sell it, then your shyte is commercial. Plain and simple. If you making beats, and you want somebody to pay you for those beats, then your shyte is commercial. Stop foolin yourself. Dirty, clean, samples, synth, all that is a means to an end. If ya'll was really "underground", you wouldn't be having beats up on Soundclick. If you was really "underground", you wouldn't be having fresh new web links to your very mainstream digital websites. Stop fooling yourselves, and stop hatin on people who have reached a level of success that we haven't reached. I'm happy for anybody that does well, regardless of whether I like there music, or sound. I can't stand Nelly, or his tracks, but he doin it. He gets props from me.

You don't have to agree. This was my little soap box.

 

[CASTLE HILL]

This aint the crabs in the barrel mentality. Most minority entrepreneurs that can make it legally in society gets my respect as a businessman. I always give Dre and Puff credit for their business acumen. From a creative standpoint now that's a different story. Everbody does not embrace mainstream music. Plain and simple. RZA went platinum a few times without going commercial. It may be hard but it can be done. Mobb Deep's Murda Muzik went platinum without commercial garbage. You can sell units without going commercial. I'd sign Nelly in a heartbeat but I still would not respect him as an artist. I'd sign him cause he can sell units but I would never try to promote him in a cipher among hip hop heads.

 

[Ikemurda]

This aint the crabs in the barrel mentality. Most minority entrepreneurs that can make it legally in society gets my respect as a businessman. I always give Dre and Puff credit for their business acumen. From a creative standpoint now that's a different story. Everbody does not embrace mainstream music. Plain and simple. RZA went platinum a few times without going commercial. It may be hard but it can be done. Mobb Deep's Murda Muzik went platinum without commercial garbage. You can sell units without going commercial. I'd sign Nelly in a heartbeat but I still would not respect him as an artist. I'd sign him cause he can sell units but I would never try to promote him in a cipher among hip hop heads.

Yo, Castle Hill, hear me out. If Rza produced an album that went Platinum, that's 1 million copies sold. If you sell a mil, you are for all intents and purposes a mainstream artist, and your music is commercial. If it did not have commercial appeal, it would not sell a million copies. Yo, the music business is all smoke and mirrors. Non commercial artists do not sell a million records. Face it. Underground records don't see radio airplay at 12 noon. I don't care how they market it to you. If you sellin a million records, you gettin major radio play, and your shyte is commercial. It may have started out as underground, but it is now commercial. It has been marketed, and mass produced for the consumption of a million people. Mobb Deep may have started out on the underground, but they are a very commercial group now. When you have Lil Mo on your shyte, you trying to appeal to the masses.

Its smoke and mirrors people. It ain't no such thing as underground or mainstream. Its simply commercial and non-commercial. You either can sell records or you can't.

 

[CASTLE HILL]

Now that I think about it, I guess RZA and the Mobb are mainstream. I was trying to point out the fact that one can sell units with grimy music. I dont really use that term underground anymore. They're either independent to me or unsigned. If an artist is signed to a major but they're not moving units, do you consider that underground?

 

[Ikemurda]

Now that I think about it, I guess RZA and the Mobb are mainstream. I was trying to point out the fact that one can sell units with grimy music. I dont really use that term underground anymore. They're either independent to me or unsigned. If an artist is signed to a major but they're not moving units, do you consider that underground?

You know who's underground to me? Cats who ain't signed to nobody, indie or major label. Because the only difference between an indie label and a major label is the amount of money they spend on a project. By definition, underground means secret. You can't be underground with a promo campaign. Feel me? Underground artists are the rappers or producers you only hear about in the street..... Word of Mouth. Once you blow up, you can't keep claiming to be underground, because you ain't. Record labels may try to market you that way, but you are a mainsteam pop(ular) artist.

 

[CASTLE HILL]

Its smoke and mirrors people. It ain't no such thing as underground or mainstream. Its simply commercial and non-commercial. You either can sell records or you can't.

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Ike Murda
Wide Open Entertainment, LLC

first let's get one thing straight I do enjoy debating(it keeps me mentally sharp)Plus I respond so much during the day while I'm at work.(I'm do tech support so I type during down time)
IKEMURDA, I actually enjoy some of your posts.
That's why there's so much garbage being promoted . Record companies care about one thing-sales.There's still an art form involved. There are still some independent labels that care about the art form. I'm talking from one perspective of many.
For every Def Jam, theres a Koch(independent) that cares about developing an artist as oppose to making a hit then disposing of the artist. I'm a throwback. I was a fan of music way b4 everyone shot for platinum status. I want the houses, and hummers too but there are producers(Primo, Diamond, EZ Elpee) out there who can earn an income without selling a million records. I come from that mold. There are some platinum producers that would not produce an act like Dead Prez or MOP cause they aint platinum but I'd bless those cats in a heartbeat.

 

[Ikemurda]

Castle, you and I are cut from the same cloth. We both like to debate, and we both spend time on FP to make the work day go by quicker. We both do tech support, and you from Oakland. My peoples is out there in Berkley , east Oakland, and Skyline Hills...... That's crazy!!!

But come on Dawg, MOP just signed to Rocafella. They gettin beats from kanye, Blaze, Neptunes, and whoever. Dead Prez just did a photo shoot with skin tight designer suits on. These two groups are two of the heroes of the so called underground.
So is MOP still underground?

Check this out. I use an EPS 16t(16 bit), and a SP1200(12 bit) to make the bulk of my tracks. I use my MPC, too, but the prior pieces mentioned are my workhorses. So everything I do is grimy. I was blasting Best Kept Secret, by Diamond D, this past Sunday. Yesterday I was rocking Return to the 36 Chambers, Old Dirty. You don't get toooo much grimier than that. So I'm not anti-dirt. My thing is I'm just as much a business man as a musician. As a producer, I have to be. The Kochs want the same things as the Def Jams, and I gurantee you that Def Jam does more to develope an artist. Kock ain't spending no whole bunch of money on artist developement. If I'm an artist on Koch, I'm glad that they don't, since I have to pay that money back, and I'm not gonna sell more than 250K on a label like that. If you notice, most artist on Koch are in joint venture type deals. My production will link up with them for mfr. and distribution. They do very little marketing and promotion. Records released on that label get very little radio play. So they ain't doin no artist developement. They trying to make a quick return on investment, just like everybody else. They are open to non-commercial artist because they realize that a lot of money is not gonna be made. Thus, they put in only enough to turn a small profit. Does anybody on Koch see any money??

The music "biz" is about paper. Labels are gonna make paper off of you, or they ain't dealing with you. That's the bottom line. That's why I said the name game is smoke and mirrors. You ain't hear Run-DMC calling Whodini mainstream. Everybody was rappers. Shyte, ALL of Whodini's tracks were made by Thomas Dolby. A freakin new wave artist!! All synth tracks. You ain't hear PE crying about they ain't real..... It's all hip hop. I love it. I live it.

 

[CASTLE HILL]

I like your style. You got me on the Dead Prez issue. I have noticed a difference in their style to appeal more to the masses. their new album is called revolutionary but gangsta. I was like
what's up with the Gangsta. Damn I hope I dont change but you've made valid points.My man LLoyd is in Baltimore. All I know about B-more is what I see on HBO's the wire. I remember my man went to B-More years ago and he told me about pheines on codeine and cough syrup. That was b4 Sipping on some Syrup came out. Berkeley is mad liberal. That's where I do my digging in the crates. East Oakland is country to me. They'll peel your wig in a heart beat. They dont know what the word fistfight means. Diamond use to be my man. We graduated together. I used to smoke blunts in his crib b4 he got his first deal. I was more into the A&R thing back then. You have opened up my eyes. If your man in Oakland needs some tracks, tell him to holla at me through an email.

 

[Ikemurda]

To Castle Hill

East Oakland is wild. Them boys don't be playin after dark. I haven't been out that way in about a year, but I get out there as often as possible. I'll probably get out there in the fall. I had this shorty out in Sac, but she trippin.... Bmore is a lot like Oakland really. Heroin, morphine, and codeine are big out here. Ya'll be having that Tar out there. My man tried to bring that out here, but fiends wasn't liking it. Fiends out here are really hardcore. That Tar stuff wasn't potent enough. ...... But you cool peoples Castle. You the first cat that I could go back and forth with, and you ain't catch no feminine azz attitude. We don't have to agree. Its all opinions about music. At the end of the day, who really gives a phluck what the other man thinks? As a man, you gonna choose your own path. This is just stimulation.

 

[CASTLE HILL]

Yeah, I been thru too much real life drama to get sensitive online. I believe in shock value. Sometimes, I'll make comments knowing that I'm pissing off the next man. I'm sure we'll be debating more in the future.

One

 

[sadarius]

I feel the both yall. We don't have tar. Feins up here just like
blow and rocks. You guys said peopl catch attitude around
here I really don't notice. But they probaly do. Half the people
on these Message boards probaly could not even handle the indusrty once introduced.

 

[Ikemurda]

I feel the both yall. We don't have tar. Feins up here just like
blow and rocks. You guys said peopl catch attitude around
here I really don't notice. But they probaly do. Half the people
on these Message boards probaly could not even handle the indusrty once introduced.

You're still pretty new. If you haven't noticed it yet, you will. It's all good though. Some people can dish it, but can't take it.

 

[M!C]

Man Ike I dig what u r sayin completely. "I'm glad he got sued"....that's crazy. But people h8. Who is anyone to tell anyone else what's good? If there's any REAL indicator of quality, isn't it how many people dig it? They like it 4 a reason. And so what if they didn't do every lil thing 2 a track. These trax would not have come to be the songs that they are, had people like dre timbo etc not touched them.

H8rs, stop playin yaselves. Get like these dudes instead of sittin around criticizing. Figure out how 2 up your game, you're @ future producers dot com 4 a reason. Stop actin like yall don't wanna b where these cats izzat.

Ike, u a real cat. Respect.

Am I allowed to tell everybody 2 go pick up the new david banner in this forum?

 

[sadarius]

A lot of people on these boards will never make
it because of the attitude

 

[CASTLE HILL]

I think some people misunderstood my post about Dre. I was trying to point out the fact that many producers sample. Dre uses keyboards and he can play the piano a little bit. He uses ghost producers because he is hella busy. Some of you guys are trying to play him like a slouch. Personally his music aint grimy enough for me but I still give him his props as a legend!!! Lets's not forget that. Dre was making hits way b4 some of you even thought about making a beat. This aintthe first time he's been sued. He should know better but some of you should know better than to attack one of the godfathers. He's the West Coast Don.