dollar beats, 5 dollar beats, what's the deal?..

[eazypeezy]

50 Cent sells his music for .99 cent. So does Rihanna. So does Mariah Carey.


So why can't I?

how many beats have 50, rihanna or mariah sold?

they sell songs not beats, you can sell songs for 99 cents cause generally a multitude of people will buy them.

but how many people are looking for beats? not enough to sell em .99 the demand for a song is much greater than the demand for a beat from the general buying population point of view.

if it wasn't we would all be selling beats and having beats chart, but we dont songs do, and the masses buy songs not beats.

 

[j.troup]

how many beats have 50, rihanna or mariah sold?

they sell songs not beats, you can sell songs for 99 cents cause generally a multitude of people will buy them.

but how many people are looking for beats? not enough to sell em .99 the demand for a song is much greater than the demand for a beat from the general buying population point of view.

if it wasn't we would all be selling beats and having beats chart, but we dont songs do, and the masses buy songs not beats.

How many people are looking for beats??


Have you seen how many myspace music profiles are out there? MILLIONS.

Every rapper in the country is looking for beats. Every rapper around the WORLD is looking for beats.

Every aspiring singer in the world needs great songs to sing.

Every songwriter in the world needs instrumentals to put their songs over.


So I plan on catering to that market.

 

[zuzz]

They GOT venture capital...after they already had a great idea and had it going.

That's how venture capitalists work. They see a great idea in action, and they throw money at it to make it blow.


You sound mad yo. Why? I don't understand.



Wait. I saw your website. I do understand your hate.


Nevermind.


Mr. UBER web design master.

You have no venture capitalist investing in what you're doing. If you did you wouldn't be coding the website yourself. Nice try (lie) though.

 

[iambase]

just make sure you get a lot of traffic and if it doesn't work... just change a few things...stupid of people to say it will fail plain and simple...

but it's true that it's a singular move and for the moment we will see in which categorie a beat is considered... I'm still concerned with the price tag but the only way to see is to try... you can still change later... at leats you will get traffic...

Concerning capital, anyway, you can't get capital out of nowhere... you need an idea, advancement, financial datas, the complete business plan.. so you still might get it later...

They need to see the product first indeed,

Plus I'm not sure people are investing much these times (economic crisis and such)...

Keep doing your thing ...

 

[zuzz]

*Edit... forget it, lol.

Good luck with it. I'm outta here.

 

[Backdrift]

LOL. George Kush aka Geron aka beat jacket, is lying.


I don't sell beats for .99 cent in person. Because in person, I have to sit with them and go thru the beats, use my electricity, my studio, take the time to burn them on CD, etc.

So I sell them for $10 a pop in person...just because of the added time and effort.



Artists are selling millions of .99 cent songs...so why can't I?

im confused, on ur PMP page theyre only 1 dollar, i thought u could only sell the "beat" to one person, then they own that piece of music to do whatever they want with? I didnt think you could sell it more than once?

i completely understand selling ur songs for 99 cents etc because its an actual song, im talking about selling beats to artists/vocalists as an exclusive to them.

-BD

 

[Backdrift]

How many people are looking for beats??


Have you seen how many myspace music profiles are out there? MILLIONS.

Every rapper in the country is looking for beats. Every rapper around the WORLD is looking for beats.

Every aspiring singer in the world needs great songs to sing.

Every songwriter in the world needs instrumentals to put their songs over.


So I plan on catering to that market.

sorry for double post, but i havnt came across any rappers looking for beats :S

Is there a website where rappers/artists advertise they're need for beats etc?

 

[j.troup]

You have no venture capitalist investing in what you're doing. If you did you wouldn't be coding the website yourself. Nice try (lie) though.

No I don't. Who said I did??


Your reading abilities are suspect.





Why do people think you have to have 50 million dollars behind you to start a successful business?




Shawn Fanning was a college student, who literally CHANGED THE WORLD from his dorm room.



What happens when some corporate entity sees IndustrySound.com, loves the idea and wants to buy it for 10 million dollars?



Anything is possible. The best business in the world were built with a dream and a little bit of work ethic.



For some reason, you seem convinced that I don't know what I'm doing.




Maybe ur mad because your website looks like a 2nd grader coded it.

 

[j.troup]

im confused, on ur PMP page theyre only 1 dollar, i thought u could only sell the "beat" to one person, then they own that piece of music to do whatever they want with? I didnt think you could sell it more than once?

i completely understand selling ur songs for 99 cents etc because its an actual song, im talking about selling beats to artists/vocalists as an exclusive to them.

-BD

You can sell anything to anybody, as much as you want. All depends on the terms that you and that person agree to.


IndustrySound.com will clear up those questions for you. It'll have live Q&A sessions, so you can ask questions like that.

 

[BrotherQualit]

50 Cent sells his music for .99 cent. So does Rihanna. So does Mariah Carey.


So why can't I?

Troup what your saying doesn't make sense, because artists and producers/beatmakers do not target the same markets.......

Artists like 50, rihanna and mariah make music for mass consumation....this is their target group

Most of the beatmakers/ producers make music for an artist (so the artist is the middleman), and this artist will record his/her vocals over this track and than try to sell to the mass (maybe for 99 ct)....
the big difference between the target groups are the fact that the beatmaker/ producer has artists as a target group.

If a beatmaker/ producer sells his beats to the artist for 99 ct he will have to sell/ lease alot of beats to a lot of artists get to his BEP. And its not like every artist wants to buy the same beat because it states a lack of originality.......and artist wants to be original.

 

[v.ray21]

man point blank. . . do it if you want. dont if you dont! STFU!

 

[j.troup]

Troup what your saying doesn't make sense, because artists and producers/beatmakers do not target the same markets.......

Artists like 50, rihanna and mariah make music for mass consumation....this is their target group

Most of the beatmakers/ producers make music for an artist (so the artist is the middleman), and this artist will record his/her vocals over this track and than try to sell to the mass (maybe for 99 ct)....
the big difference between the target groups are the fact that the beatmaker/ producer has artists as a target group.

If a beatmaker/ producer sells his beats to the artist for 99 ct he will have to sell/ lease alot of beats to a lot of artists get to his BEP. And its not like every artist wants to buy the same beat because it states a lack of originality.......and artist wants to be original.

Okay...you said Producers sell to artists...and artists sell to the public....


But what happens when the public IS the artist?


Then we have PRODUCERS selling to the PUBLIC, right?



The term "artist" isn't just confined to those faces on the shelves of CD stores. The public is now the artist, as evident by MYSPACE and by YOUTUBE.

So why wouldn't I sell music products (acapella's, beats, drum kits, song vocal sessions) directly to the public, when THEY ARE THE ONES MAKING THE MUSIC?!




And if artists want originality, then why does every mixtape out there has the same 15 beats on it??


Artists WANT originality...they WANT exclusive, but they aren't willing to pay for it.


So therefore, I'm giving them an alternative. You can rap over a hot beat for $1000, or you can rap over a hot beat for .99 cent.



Trust me...rappers are choosing .99 cent. Because they are creating ORIGINAL songs that their market hasn't heard before. And at the .99 cent price point, it's a no brainer for them.

 

[Backdrift]

Okay...you said Producers sell to artists...and artists sell to the public....


But what happens when the public IS the artist?


Then we have PRODUCERS selling to the PUBLIC, right?



The term "artist" isn't just confined to those faces on the shelves of CD stores. The public is now the artist, as evident by MYSPACE and by YOUTUBE.

So why wouldn't I sell music products (acapella's, beats, drum kits, song vocal sessions) directly to the public, when THEY ARE THE ONES MAKING THE MUSIC?!




And if artists want originality, then why does every mixtape out there has the same 15 beats on it??


Artists WANT originality...they WANT exclusive, but they aren't willing to pay for it.


So therefore, I'm giving them an alternative. You can rap over a hot beat for $1000, or you can rap over a hot beat for .99 cent.



Trust me...rappers are choosing .99 cent. Because they are creating ORIGINAL songs that their market hasn't heard before. And at the .99 cent price point, it's a no brainer for them.

so ur kinda saying don't sell to artists, get artist's services for you? then I sell the finnished result to the public not the artist?

 

[j.troup]

so ur kinda saying don't sell to artists, get artist's services for you? then I sell the finnished result to the public not the artist?

No.


What i'm saying is that there is no more LINE between the artist and the public. Because the public has become the artists.


Those same people who were just the CONSUMERS of music 10 years ago, are now the ARTISTS. So the same market segment that were the buyers of SONGS 10 years ago, are now the MAKERS of songs today, thus the BUYERS of beats.



Is the demand for beats as big as the demand for songs? Of course not. Because not everyone that listens to music, makes music.

But is the demand for beats increased exponentially among those people who buy songs? Absolutely.



It's just about realizing where the dollars are, and realizing the shift in the market.



Best Buy now sells musical instruments...like Fantoms and stuff. That means that they realize that the same people that are buying TV's and Video Games, are the very same people who are now making their own music...

THE GENERAL PUBLIC.


If Best Buy is selling music making products to the GENERAL PUBLIC, then so will I.

 

[Backdrift]

No.


What i'm saying is that there is no more LINE between the artist and the public. Because the public has become the artists.


Those same people who were just the CONSUMERS of music 10 years ago, are now the ARTISTS. So the same market segment that were the buyers of SONGS 10 years ago, are now the MAKERS of songs today, thus the BUYERS of beats.



Is the demand for beats as big as the demand for songs? Of course not. Because not everyone that listens to music, makes music.

But is the demand for beats increased exponentially among those people who buy songs? Absolutely.



It's just about realizing where the dollars are, and realizing the shift in the market.



Best Buy now sells musical instruments...like Fantoms and stuff. That means that they realize that the same people that are buying TV's and Video Games, are the very same people who are now making their own music...

THE GENERAL PUBLIC.


If Best Buy is selling music making products to the GENERAL PUBLIC, then so will I.

so the beats on ur PMP aren't really for professional artists, but more aimed at the general public for recreational purposes, like blank slates for them to rap nd just have fun over, or mayb helping people who wanna start learning to rap/sing? If that's the sorta market ur aiming at then i pretty much understand, but maybe it's different in the UK i've never seen any album's on sale in stores of blank beats for people to rap/spit over.

Also i thought when selling beats to proper artists they want the beat exclusive to them? I mean who wants to buy a beat that some other guy might buy

 

[j.troup]

so the beats on ur PMP aren't really for professional artists, but more aimed at the general public for recreational purposes, like blank slates for them to rap nd just have fun over, or mayb helping people who wanna start learning to rap/sing? If that's the sorta market ur aiming at then i pretty much understand, but maybe it's different in the UK i've never seen any album's on sale in stores of blank beats for people to rap/spit over.

The beats are for anyone who wants to make music. Professional or not.

If a pro wants to cop the beat and throw it on their mixtape or album, 99 cents...as long as sales stay under 50,000.

If a guy just learning how to rap wants to cop a beat and rap over, 99 cents.

It's aimed at people who make MUSIC...no matter what level or caliber they are.

Also i thought when selling beats to proper artists they want the beat exclusive to them? I mean who wants to buy a beat that some other guy might buy

The way I see it, if that were the case, then artists wouldn't put out mixtapes rapping over the same beats that a million other people have rapped over.


And if they want exclusive beats, then that's fine...but they're gonna be ALOT more than 99 cents.

 

[Backdrift]

The beats are for anyone who wants to make music. Professional or not.

If a pro wants to cop the beat and throw it on their mixtape or album, 99 cents...as long as sales stay under 50,000.

If a guy just learning how to rap wants to cop a beat and rap over, 99 cents.

It's aimed at people who make MUSIC...no matter what level or caliber they are.







The way I see it, if that were the case, then artists wouldn't put out mixtapes rapping over the same beats that a million other people have rapped over.


And if they want exclusive beats, then that's fine...but they're gonna be ALOT more than 99 cents.

gotcha thanks for the help.
Also you mentioned aslong as sales stay under 50,000. What happens if they exceed? I'm guessing u get more than 99cents but do you have to make the buyer sign something to hold them to giving you your cut if it exceeds 50k or do you simply just declare it?

 

[j.troup]

gotcha thanks for the help.
Also you mentioned aslong as sales stay under 50,000. What happens if they exceed? I'm guessing u get more than 99cents but do you have to make the buyer sign something to hold them to giving you your cut if it exceeds 50k or do you simply just declare it?

It'll be in the licensing agreement that you have to agree to before you buy the beats.

Over 50,000 in sales, then there will be a royalty structure that kicks in. Nothing oppressive, but something to keep majors from raping the system.

 

[chuka]

yea idk wuts up wit these cheap ass beats either..but aye..let them hustle how they want i guess lol

 

[MrJames851]

my hang up is that I can't just let every little poop-butt rapper take a ride on my joints like a 99 cent hooker ... really, I don't even like the idea of releasing instrumentals to the public that you sold to an artist for every rapper to jump on it for free, if I was a rapper that paid Bangladesh for A-Milli I'd be kinda pissed that everyone has what I paid for for free, getting shows off of it, older rappers remaining relevant off it (like KRS jumping on it), Conrad mentioned you sign an agreement that you won't SELL the beat to another person, is it okay because the buyer released it before all the mixtapes that will follow? or because the producer wasn't making money from that?... I think that also has contributed to people not wanting to pay for beats, because you can just wait for the instrumental to leak and then you have a beat from Timbo on your project just like the person that paid ... so me personally, I'd wanna jump off a cliff if I had a bunch of wack rappers having their way with my art, its not worth the amount of return to me, I'd rather try to get my industry placements where I can and sell to independents on a regular basis, use the industry to boost my profile to raise the prices to everyone else and I'm good, probably a website or blog, but I can't do the 99 cent thing, I wouldn't even feel right taking business away from people tryna get paid right from this, that's messing up the game