lol point moot already
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GRIF - I get where your trying to go but feel you went WAAAAAAY to morfius (<-- spelled wrong intentionally, they block the regular spelling of his name) trying to be the messiah of all this here. You had me at the "someones gonna buy it and everyone is gonna want to know what its like" argument but now its all this cerebral stuff.
"1) We are the idiots who understand our own genre so little that we needed companies to EXPLICITLY tell us their product is good for making beats. Thus we have the hip hop kit in every keyboard/product that no one uses. but god-forbid they don't put some in there.
Kiss of death."
those hip hop #1 kits are actually great for newcomers who don't have the time (or know how yet) to go out and sample on there own or make synths. you seem to be a pretty knowledgable guy in music and have probably been at it for many years. one of the draw backs of that is forgetting when you were new at it. this is why madden games have the "play now" feature, now body new to the game wants to spend 2 -3 hours putting together a whole franchise before realizing this isn't their type of game. let em have fun for a while then go deeper when their ready.
2) We are so stupid, we can't figure out if something can make a hot beat until someone else does it first. Forget all the tons and tons of functionality that is absolute OVERKILL for making our simple little hip hop beats. And so we watch tons of guys in the studio and rate the gear according to what THEY do with it.
Much in the same way gearslutz members swear by mixing gear that was used to make X, or such and such was used in the mastering of X show. its not an uncommon thing for people to judge things based off of who uses them and how successful they were, its not anywhere near a hip hop exclusive thing.
3) To continue that same idea. We won't believe equipment can help us get famous until
someone famous uses it. WE NEED to see a big name go in first and so companies grab big names- and then we spend our time trying to find any reason NOT to believe the Big Name. Even though the reason may be as simple as the big name
uses said Piece OF GEAR and actually likes using it. Imagine that.
except in most cases there ARE lot more things involved than just a producer liking to use said gear. i believe luger really does use and love FL STUDIO been documented as using it forever, but you can't seriously look at a video like the mpc5000 vids where producers are saying how much they love it while at the same time making it clear that its just a paperweight in their studio (don't even know how to use it, clearing of years of cobwebs etc) and tell me that wasn't given to them to push a product. bigname producer being given a product to push under the guise of it being a part of his studio and noname producer going out and paying his LAST to get such a product are two different things.
4) We are the clowns who want HUGE support, tons of updates and 18 different versions of the same product. When a company is large enough enough to give us that, we can't support them because they are a big evil corporation out to fool us and take our money. You can't trust a guy in a suit or a nerd so....
again point me to a company that can fill all these rolls and you have got a company people will swear by, sadly they don't exist. most companies come out with a new product every 12 seconds but can barely support the existing ones because they make more off of selling you that new product. Call me crazy but if i drop $600 for a Maschine i shouldn't have to "wait till next month" for a bug to be fixed. most of the companies that get the "evil corporation" tag usually earn it in this game. these products are too expensive to just experiement with.
5) On the opposite end, we have the peer-to-peer limitation and can only communicate or trust someone who looks, acts and speaks just like us. And yet get offended when someone speaks slang or talks
like a friend to us and not like
that same guy in the suit from 4) above. And then goof on reps that act ...um....just like us...Wha?
im not sure what this is refering to but if its about the pro audio stores (such as guitar center) than all i have to say is this, i don't mind if they are talking just like me or talking more like what people would consider professional, i just want them to know what they are talking about. sadly, places like this are based on commision and would rather higher high school kids they can manipulate than experienced techs or even musicians familiar with the equipment. the result is a bunch of pushy/rude kids who know almost nothing about the very stuff they are selling and either rehash things they heard or make stuff up on the fly. i don't expect to get kissed up to when i am buying something but if i ask a basic question like "do you prefer this fantom g or the yamaha motiff for piano sounds to be played live" an answer like "they are sweet get them both" isn't really cool (really saw that happen once).
6) We still really, really, really believe it's in the gear. Like my F'in keyboard/drum machine/library/DAW makes me the Mo'fin producer that I am.
as sick and tired as i get of hearing newbies come in and ask questions like "which program is good for hip hop", i get even more tired of snobs (not pointing at you or anyone in particular) giving them the equal as droll "its not the machine" retort.
while ultimately the creativity will live in the artist and not the brush (originally and traditionally NONE of the equipment was made for hip hop), there are some programs that make things easier than others depending on what you want to do. there are some programs that are a bit more efficient than others in different categories. giving someone a nudge in one direction or the other shouldn't be THAT big of a deal.
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