As a producer you are the Boss

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Rapper: Man, i wanna make it, but i need a dope producer, I can't blow up over whack beats !

Producer: Yo rapper, come on in, I'm ready to take YOU under MY wing

Rapper: Yo thank you so much

Lota rappers dumb, they think of producers as knowledgeable industry people

You need to present yourself with authority and knowledge and they eat out of your hand


Imagine when Dre took 50 under his wing:

50 Cent: Yo Andre, its an honor to work with you man, i love your beats

Dr. Dre: Mhm

50 Cent: Especially that Still D.R.E, that shit was legendary

Dr. Dre: Mhm

50 Cent: ''*kicks air and throws flowers* Man I'm so excited, Dr. Dre gon make beats for me''

50 Cent: Yo Dre, i brought in your doughnuts and your coffee

Dr. Dre: put it over there to the brownies fif



Gettin' your name out there is enough




People know your name = You good
 
Wrong.


As a producer, it's your job to bring the artists vision to life. You work FOR the artist. Not the other way around.


That's the reason why so many FP'ers don't get work. They go into situations trying to be THE BOSS, when they haven't earned the right to do so.



Stay in your lane, do the job that YOU WERE HIRED TO DO, get paid, and move on.
 
I personally think it should be an even exchange.

You don't work for the artist, the artist doesn't work for you... egos must be checked and dropped at the door.

The goal should be to create the best song possible, where both sides opinions are respected.
 
Troup wins,
your a worker.

being a producer is no different than being a graphic designer, plumber, personal trainer, etc?

If you want to glamorize it for self gratification purposes go with the "specialist montra"
your an expert, an assassin, you are sought after for your particular set of skills. your the best in the world at what you do, but what you do isn't very nice
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j.troup said:
As a producer, it's your job to bring the artists vision to life.
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Eff the artists' vision.

Most people do not understand what they want. They have to be sold something. That's why working for free with an artist is useless. Artists usually do not know how to take the reins. They just know how to rap or sing. They need instructions.

A producer who cannot mold the artist is weak.
 
A producer who cannot mold the artist is weak.
An artist who needs to be molded is weak.

I mean, we can go in circles all day.
I don't think this is an issue that can be solved with a general philosophy.
It's situational and approached on a case by case basis.

Whoever KNOWS MORE [from experience] should take lead.
Whoever has the most invested should determine the amount of risk.
Whoever writes the check(s) is the boss.
Real simple.

Meet an artist that YOU know MORE than- you make a lot of the decisions.
Meet someone further along than you; shut up and learn from them.

Both in the same spot?- walk side by side.

Work for FREE?????
So, what am I getting out of it - if not money?
That decides IF choose to work and how much work I put in.

There are many other rewards besides money.
Most of this is common sense and doesn't require a lot of thought.
 
Desire Inspires said:
Eff the artists' vision.

Most people do not understand what they want. They have to be sold something. That's why working for free with an artist is useless. Artists usually do not know how to take the reins. They just know how to rap or sing. They need instructions.

A producer who cannot mold the artist is weak.
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Everyone understands what they want. Understanding how to GET THERE is the job of the producer.



This is where most people get it twisted. If you sell a client something other than what they wanted, they won't be back.



You have to start with understanding your customers GOALS, then work backwards from there.
 
As a businessman your client is the boss. You do need to have boundaries of course but if you plan on selling tracks to rappers and want to keep them buying in the future you need to keep in mind who is signing the check.
 
Xabiton said:
As a businessman your client is the boss. You do need to have boundaries of course but if you plan on selling tracks to rappers and want to keep them buying in the future you need to keep in mind who is signing the check.
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It's a two edged sword really. Especially when it comes to rap music. You got an (lets put it friendly) opinionated rapper most of the time, who has his own opinion (most of the time, much worse sounding than what it should sound like in the end: basically, make his voice 6dB louder than everything else LOL) and you have your obligation to sell the best service/product.

Basically, you have to walk the line between being able to follow the client's vision AND at the same time being able to find the time to show them some alternatives (different balance on the mix, how you use effects on the voice/accentuate the doubles, etc...). You got to move fast.

What you will achieve by doing that is INSPIRE the client to do more work that YOU like (well, as long as it really DOES sound better!) and the clients will trust YOU more with YOUR vision.

You want to have a product at the end that is much better than what the client has envisioned, but where he can still say "I was involved in this! This dude really does make me sound good!"

Sometimes when design agencies create identities for companies (logo/website/audio logo/animations for web/ads for TV/print, etc...), you end up doing 80-100 different VERSIONS of the same logo. I kid you not. Because the client often knows what he wants ("the best I can get!"), but almost always DOESN'T know what this "the best I can get" is. You have to steer them that way.

You really, really have to be fast, so you can present your ideas AT THE SPOT and if they are strong enough, the client is either too stubborn to do it "your way", or he's incapable of perceiving the difference in quality.

But this goes more for the recording engineer/DAW operator/"beatmaker" side of the equation. When you are a real producer, you are the one in charge of the session and the song and 9 out of 10 times, YOU make the "star" shine and that's why the label pays you for that service.
 
JeanLukPigheart said:
It's a two edged sword really. Especially when it comes to rap music. You got an (lets put it friendly) opinionated rapper most of the time, who has his own opinion (most of the time, much worse sounding than what it should sound like in the end: basically, make his voice 6dB louder than everything else LOL) and you have your obligation to sell the best service/product.

Basically, you have to walk the line between being able to follow the client's vision AND at the same time being able to find the time to show them some alternatives (different balance on the mix, how you use effects on the voice/accentuate the doubles, etc...). You got to move fast.

What you will achieve by doing that is INSPIRE the client to do more work that YOU like (well, as long as it really DOES sound better!) and the clients will trust YOU more with YOUR vision.

You want to have a product at the end that is much better than what the client has envisioned, but where he can still say "I was involved in this! This dude really does make me sound good!"

Sometimes when design agencies create identities for companies (logo/website/audio logo/animations for web/ads for TV/print, etc...), you end up doing 80-100 different VERSIONS of the same logo. I kid you not. Because the client often knows what he wants ("the best I can get!"), but almost always DOESN'T know what this "the best I can get" is. You have to steer them that way.

You really, really have to be fast, so you can present your ideas AT THE SPOT and if they are strong enough, the client is either too stubborn to do it "your way", or he's incapable of perceiving the difference in quality.

But this goes more for the recording engineer/DAW operator/"beatmaker" side of the equation. When you are a real producer, you are the one in charge of the session and the song and 9 out of 10 times, YOU make the "star" shine and that's why the label pays you for that service.
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True in a lot of cases though as an engineer idk how I would handle that. I don't mix for people for a variety of reasons that is one of them lol
 
It's really painful when someone asks you to do something you KNOW is making the quality of the record worse.


But sonic quality is a matter of taste. So if that's what the client wants, then that's what you do.


Happens to me all the time.
 
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