Anybody else hate the phrase "real hip-hop"?

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first off i love both trap and boom bap. southern rap sucked in the early 2000s IMO and i think people still hate on it over those 5 or so years despite how dope it is now IMO. but on to the question, my main problem is a lot of the people who say that "real hip-hop" stuff aren't "hip-hop" themselves, more hipster types. but i think the concept overall is kinda riciculous.
 
I don't get it. Rap is the only fanbase that is this divided. Metal fans, rock fans,country fans can all appreciate a good song regardless of what generation it was created in/QUOTE]

Okay but who are the ones hating on Nickleback, Creed, Jonas Brothers, 30 Seconds To Mars etc...? Rock & Metal scenes are very divided, even more than Hip Hop.
t's a self-destructive attitude. Rather than put down the new school, why not let them have a different voice and add in some constructive criticism so that they can put out more quality music under their own identity?
But only the producers are really doing anything new though..

And this is coming from a guy who, for several years, thought that the only good rappers were ones from the 90s, 80s, etc. but now I'm seeing guys like Kendrick, Rocky, Drake, Cole, Tyler and Earl who are all dope IMO, but each bring something different to the rap game.
Drake is a watered down Lil'Wayne, Rocky just sounds like a normal south rapper & J Cole is THE generic NY rapper, they dont bring nothing lol. I like Kendrick though.

To the guy who said Lil'Jon was the worst thing to happen to Hip Hop:
 
I didn't say all rappers from the 90s were real. Just more then there are now.
MC Hammer and Vanilla Ice aren't real but look at the biggest dudes like Ice Cube, BIG, 2pac, Eazy E and SOOOOOOO ON..
 
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I didn't say all rappers from the 90s were real. Just more then there are now.
MC Hammer and Vanilla Ice aren't real but look at the biggest dudes like Ice Cube, BIG, 2pac, Eazy E and SOOOOOOO ON..

Ice Cube changed up and did Family Movies. 2 Pac took Ballet, Changed from conscious rap to gangster, Wrote poetry and attended art school with Jada Pinkett. Eazy E didn't even write most of his rhymes. 90's was the era of the engineered gangsters. Now a days you got people just being who they are.
 
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To the guy who said Lil'Jon was the worst thing to happen to Hip Hop:


Yeah but to me most of those Crunk beats where just straight corny although this isn't bad. Trap is basically the new Crunk IMO.
They use the same type of sounds.
 
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I think the reason why most people "hate" modern Hip Hop music, is that there is way to much music out there. Back in the day when people had no internet and no producing software, it was very hard to get your name out there or even produce something, that is worth hearing. Nowadays there is way to much stuff out there and a lot of it isn't very unique sounding or good at all, but you just got to dig a bit deeper and you'll still find good music. Most of the times even the rappers who are "commercial" have a few good songs on their albums. And I think if you want to be succesful as a producer, you have got to go with the flow a bit ;).
 
Ice Cube used his brain - Check him talking about his "switching to family movies" Lol.

 
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Ice Cube changed up and did Family Movies. 2 Pac took Ballet, Changed from conscious rap to gangster, Wrote poetry and attended art school with Jada Pinkett. Eazy E didn't even write most of his rhymes. 90's was the era of the engineered gangsters. Now a days you got people just being who they are.

LOL. I'm old school all the way but that's an interesting way of looking at things. Some consider it blasphemy though to diss Hip Hop Gods such as Big, Pac and Eazy E. Certain people are off limits!!! Eazy E did sling crack. He was a baller who was talented enough as a businessman to go legal. That's an accomplishment. I like to think that Pac had a little man's complex. That's all but I may be biased.
 
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Ice Cube changed up and did Family Movies. 2 Pac took Ballet, Changed from conscious rap to gangster, Wrote poetry and attended art school with Jada Pinkett. Eazy E didn't even write most of his rhymes. 90's was the era of the engineered gangsters. Now a days you got people just being who they are.

Don't forget the total shocker that Eazy-E was out there having sex with other men.

C'mon, I love the legends too, but even they even rewrote their past from time to time to push records. Ain't nothing change.

Unless you think that all of these 90s rappers were actually out there catching bodies.

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I don't get it. Rap is the only fanbase that is this divided. Metal fans, rock fans,country fans can all appreciate a good song regardless of what generation it was created in/QUOTE]

Okay but who are the ones hating on Nickleback, Creed, Jonas Brothers, 30 Seconds To Mars etc...? Rock & Metal scenes are very divided, even more than Hip Hop.

But only the producers are really doing anything new though..


Drake is a watered down Lil'Wayne, Rocky just sounds like a normal south rapper & J Cole is THE generic NY rapper, they dont bring nothing lol. I like Kendrick though.

To the guy who said Lil'Jon was the worst thing to happen to Hip Hop:



All those other guys you mentioned are hated on because they make bad music. It's not a generational divide like it is with hip-hop, especially considering that half of your list has lasted more than a generation.
 
All those other guys you mentioned are hated on because they make bad music. It's not a generational divide like it is with hip-hop, especially considering that half of your list has lasted more than a generation.


it is a generational divide, it happens with every genre of music and it can't be stopped. hard rock fans didn't like glam rock or punk. grunge killed hair metal.

hell, i'd say there is more unity in hip-hop than in other genres, just look what's happening with dance music.
 
Don't forget the total shocker that Eazy-E was out there having sex with other men.

C'mon, I love the legends too, but even they even rewrote their past from time to time to push records. Ain't nothing change.

Unless you think that all of these 90s rappers were actually out there catching bodies.

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All those other guys you mentioned are hated on because they make bad music. It's not a generational divide like it is with hip-hop, especially considering that half of your list has lasted more than a generation.

exactly. Dudes fronted back then like they do now. Some people just forget some of the bad about they fave rappers. I love the legends but even they had faults. And finally I still say LL Cool J birthed Drake
 
To me, that's just being biased.


I'd say ever since the 90s, hip-hop has become an industry filled with 'unreal' and 'manufactured' artists. Are we forgetting that Vanilla Ice and MC Hammer were arguably two of the biggest rappers of their time despite being the very definition of sellouts? Are we forgetting that in the mid-90s, the labels were trying to turn everyone into studio gangsters? Are we forgetting the tail-end of the 90s where we were bombarded by club music, from artists that we would have NEVER expected to see that type of music come from? When Nas literally switched his style up 3 times, from being a street poet, to a mafioso rapper, to a carbon copy Bad Boys artist? When Pac went from a street justice warrior into an all-out thug? When Puffy tried to recreate the success he had from Biggie with Shyne? When Jay-Z switched from Reasonable Doubt to In My Lifetime, which had more glam and polish, and less grit and realism than his previous release?

Hip-hop, more than any music industry on Earth, has always been a victim of manufactured artists. The only difference is that rather than studio gangsters/ballers in baggy jeans and beanies, we've got hipsters with skinny jeans and snapbacks.

As far as the music itself, yes, this generation generally has more 'polished' and 'poppy' artists but you have to wonder just who exactly they picked this up from, because they certainly didn't get this music popping on their own....

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[I don't get it. Rap is the only fanbase that is this divided. Metal fans, rock fans, country fans can all appreciate a good song regardless of what generation it was created in (unless, of course, you're Taylor Swift) but when it comes to rap, you have people who outright refuse to pay attention to new artists if they don't sound exactly like the ones they grew up with. It's a self-destructive attitude. Rather than put down the new school, why not let them have a different voice and add in some constructive criticism so that they can put out more quality music under their own identity?

And this is coming from a guy who, for several years, thought that the only good rappers were ones from the 90s, 80s, etc. but now I'm seeing guys like Kendrick, Rocky, Drake, Cole, Tyler and Earl who are all dope IMO, but each bring something different to the rap game. I don't wanna hear Nas coming from a new guy's mouth, that's what I have Nas for.

And let's not forget that most of the albums we praise as classics nowadays were by no means mainstream hits when they came out, with a few exceptions like The Blueprint and All Eyez On Me. I'm willing to bet that it's the same case with the current generation.

I have to say the bolded simply isn't true.
I've hung out on forums for other genre's (metal and jazz) and there are DEFINITELY
purists who aren't fans of different or "new" sounds.
On Jazz forums I've seen Robert Glasper and Christian Scott
get downed for incorporating Hip Hop and Jazz into their music.
On Metal Forums I've seen Korn, Limp Bizkit, Linkin Park etc.
get trashed for being "nu-metal" or including Hip Hop influence into their
sound (scratching, rapping, etc.)

In Hip Hop it's more blatant but trust me this shit is not unique to
Hip Hop AT ALL.

Don't forget the total shocker that Eazy-E was out there having sex with other men.

C'mon, I love the legends too, but even they even rewrote their past from time to time to push records. Ain't nothing change.

Unless you think that all of these 90s rappers were actually out there catching bodies.

I've never heard of Eazy E sleeping with any men. Verify that.
Otherwise it's just BS
 
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Ice Cube changed up and did Family Movies. 2 Pac took Ballet, Changed from conscious rap to gangster, Wrote poetry and attended art school with Jada Pinkett. Eazy E didn't even write most of his rhymes. 90's was the era of the engineered gangsters. Now a days you got people just being who they are.

ROFL

-A Cop that stole a drug dealers name & life story
-A rich Canadian guy rapping with a ATL accent about "starting from the bottom" and copying another guys style
-People from other scenes trying to be "down"
-Biters copying flows & voices
-R&B singers trying to be rappers

Really being who they are lol
 
ROFL

-A Cop that stole a drug dealers name & life story
-A rich Canadian guy rapping with a ATL accent about "starting from the bottom" and copying another guys style
-People from other scenes trying to be "down"
-Biters copying flows & voices
-R&B singers trying to be rappers

Really being who they are lol

Rappers lied in the 90s too. The only difference between then and now is that it's much easier to see the lies because we can literally go online and look up an entire person's backstory. Couldn't do that back in the days.

Plus, we got all these people complaining about the current crop of rappers, when y'all let the shit happen. Y'all let the shit slide.

Older heads always wanna complain and point fingers, but never wanna get involved.
 
I like commercial music. I can appreciate a good pop song, but just my opinion, the auto tune stuff and Drake sounding flows annoy me. I don't really care for synthpop feel in newer music either.

Same thing has happened to R&B, but worse. Black music on the radio in general has lost its jazzy roots. Anything labeled as urban these days usually has a four on the floor kick, little to no syncopation and swing, and lacks that gospel edge in chord progressions.

I can see why the younger crowd likes it, the music is dance friendly, but so was the higher tempo southern bass music in the 90s. I think any producer looking to make club friendly hits should go study that subgenre and stay away from EDM if you don't want to be labeled as pop.
 
I hate when complete nobodies who want to be in the "rap industry" talk in a way as if they have to talk that way to be in a "rap industry". And that tone in their voice as if they read some type of book or watch some type of got damn documentary explaining "you must talk like industry cats if you want people to take you serious".

Like an album that only sold 50k it's first week............they jump straight to comparing that shit to something that sold 600k in it's first week. Then the tone in their pus ass voice like "see this is what's hot now".

^^^with that said.......I hate scary ass underground no name rappers even more. Because you fall for those wimps opinion and change your whole style to fit "what's hot" by their standards. You start trying to find industry sound alikes and write content that will hopefully get you notice by those asswholes who care less about you unless you "HOT".

That tone of voice.........got yall dudes scared. But you as a whole make they weak ass put bass in their voice.

It's a war got dammit!!! You don't like me....I don't like you more. Who wit me? Bad man/ Scared man on these chumps. The rest of yall go on to that side and quit playing half and half. Because soon we bout to be back on yall ass. Your tone of voice is not made to rap and talk tough. Used to be a phrase "you ole R&B ass nigga"......now the R&B niggas harder than the rappers. Tyrese will chump 90% of these rappers. Niggas who really from the street singing their raps today.

But we bout to get some straightening going on round here! Who wit me? We need to support each other man....fuuck them dudes. We ain't supporting each other....that's the problem. We don't even have faith in each other....because we let them suckas brain wash us to what shit suppose to sound like.

No mo mr.nice guy round here....Mr.Rice....sir yes sir off in here.

niggas from New York don't support each other because of "what's hot right now"......shame on yall. I'm the king of New York up in here!!! Say somethin....slap the shit outcha....

Keep that beat in mind as I talk my New York shit..me being king and all right now. Let that shit be fresh today.......you go and run to some popular ass nigga so it can get recognized......if that beat don't make you want to grab and pen and pad right now.....then you a CHUMP PUSSY BOY!!! Ole...."no I need a beat like FUture be on" face ass. I'm the king of New York....do somethin bout it!

I'm out! Kiss my ass!!!!!
 
Rappers lied in the 90s too. The only difference between then and now is that it's much easier to see the lies because we can literally go online and look up an entire person's backstory. Couldn't do that back in the days.

Plus, we got all these people complaining about the current crop of rappers, when y'all let the shit happen. Y'all let the shit slide.

Older heads always wanna complain and point fingers, but never wanna get involved.

I know rappers lied in the 90s too, but someone was talking like rappers these days are being themselves when their not. The biting today is out of control. Flows,lyrics,styles,voices,personalities & everything you can possibly bite, will get bitten & people like Drake show you that even the heaviest biting wont stop you getting big.
 
That dude Charlemagne recently had the nerve to say we're currently experiencing another Golden Era. Everyone's entitled to their opinions and I guess everyone thinks their generations artists are better. I guess it's human nature to defend what you like. I see the same thing with sports how older heads say their athletes were so much better. It will be interesting to see these same teens 10 years from now arguing with the new teens about how great Asap Rocky, Tyga and Drake were compared to the new artists of the future.
 
I know rappers lied in the 90s too, but someone was talking like rappers these days are being themselves when their not. The biting today is out of control. Flows,lyrics,styles,voices,personalities & everything you can possibly bite, will get bitten & people like Drake show you that even the heaviest biting wont stop you getting big.

I'd say more themselves than what they were in the 90's. Drake wouldn't last in the 90's. You wasn't allowed to admitt you had emotions.
 
Real Hip-hop is a stupid term. Listen to what you enjoy. The genre has progressed to so many sub-genres and everybody should be happy that hip-hop culture and music has become as widespread as it is. People who only listen to "real hip-hop" are missing out on a lot because they think they're better than the rest of us
 
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