Anybody else hate the phrase "real hip-hop"?

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To me, it's such a ****ing stupid term that really holds the genre back. Ok, you might have a few country fans that don't consider Taylor Swift to be 'real' country, but outside of that, I can't think of any other genre of music that's so hellbent on dividing it's fanbase.

The basis of hip-hop was self-expression, so I find it so ironic that niggas have a set criteria for what is considered 'hip-hop'.

And y'all all know the type of people I'm talking about. The niggas who run their mouth off about the 90s being better than the 2000s, the ones who absolutely refuse to consider ANY new school cat even in the same realm as the worse 90s rapper. The ones who don't listen to any artist even remotely buzzing and only listen to beats with some lo-fi, dusty sounding sample. The ones who think that if a beat isn't gritty, or if it's too polished, with fast moving hi-hats all throughout the track is instantly a pop beat (that shit don't even make sense to me tbh).

Like yeah, we do have legitimately awful rappers out there that continue to be supported by what appears to be people who don't actually care about the genre, but to me, the people that are so stuck in the 90s are just as bad as them.

2Pac's dead. Biggie's dead. Jay-Z has changed. Nas drops some shit like every blue moon. Get over it. Instead of bitching about how rap's changed, why don't you actually open your mind and maybe you'll find something to love? Not everything has to be rapped over an MPC drum beat.
 
REAL HIP HOP!!!!!

The love vs the money and the power........

You can love it and still have money and power...

But the money and power is all you see........because you ain't got no love. You lie to yourself when you say you love.......because it hurts your feelings that you are not seeing money...or power......THAT AIN'T LOVE!!!!

Love is when you with your crew in the home studio.......not recording a damn thang.....thinking on some fun moments in your life..........then a song is born that others relate to. NOT A GOT DAMN DIME WAS THOUGHT ABOUT!!!

Money and power.....you write some ole bullshit rap because you just saw top 40.Zou know all kinds of shit about the Industry and how what sounds like what...so you try to outdo that.....and if you come close you feel you deserve some shit....like money and power.

That ain't real hip hop, SON!!!! Call what you like and do something else.

Oh.............people been doing trance hip hop.........house hip hop..........electro hip hop..........SINCE HIP HOP.....it never stopped.

People act like "trip hop" doesn't have a following.......

KNOW WHAT I HATE..........closed minded media infested people......

But people are too focus on the media feed to notice.......like you overlook that fact.....since they ain't hot or whatever.

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Did somebody say trip-hop?



Zero dislikes because only the REAL people know it!
 
There is no "REAL" Hip Hop. There's just a preferred era / sound.

How did the Run DMC / Cool J era get skipped as REAL hip hop? KRS is probably at fault for claiming that Boom Bap was the REAL Hip Hop. People just bandwagoned onto what he was saying.

There was all types of Hip Hop around during that era....
 
of course theres a few core values that come to mind when you think of hip-hop and its roots, but to give hip-hop a "fake" or "real" label is as bad (if not worse) than wack emcees who believe they are making the truest hip-hop music. if real hip-hop is anything, its unifying. all that old vs. new conscious vs. trap judgement isn't helping anyone
 
SupremeSound916 said:
of course theres a few core values that come to mind when you think of hip-hop and its roots, but to give hip-hop a "fake" or "real" label is as bad (if not worse) than wack emcees who believe they are making the truest hip-hop music. if real hip-hop is anything, its unifying. all that old vs. new conscious vs. trap judgement isn't helping anyone
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Absolutely.

As someone who considers himself a fan of hip-hop, more than ANY other musical genre in the world, hip-hop fans have got to be the most stubborn and split fanbase out there.

From Nas to goddamn Waka Flocka Flame, I appreciate whatever hip-hop music there is. Not saying I'll just blindly like a song because it's rap, but I recognize that if all the 'real' hip-hop fans got their way, hip-hop would be extremely boring.
 
Don't look to much into it. You might feel the sting because you're in the production world. In the real world...Real people only bump what THEY LIKE. They don't know samples, MPC 60, MPC 2000xl, Reason, Fruity Loop's or Pro Tools!

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Give ME that OLD HIP HOP(78-98), SOUL, JAZZ, FUNK and BLUES...real world...that's MY lane. I'll be the old ni66a with a dusty Wu Tang shirt(emblem crust flaking off),Tim's(extra scuffed) and Scullie(just over my eyebrow's) on...might rock a lumberjack and wallies in the winter..50, 60 70+ years old...to quote Raekwon.."Ima die with these on!" Play some Wu Tang Al Green, and Earth,Wind and Fire at my funeral...Amazing Grace..Only if it's an old-crusty Mahalia Jackson recording!!

I don't have to stay MARKET READY(TRENDY) in my PERSONAL life! I'm a proud HIPHOP minimalist(78-98). That's my PERSONAL choice and taste in music...

When I'm chilling with my friends we jump through Music Choice Channels...Classic RnB, Throwback Jamz, and hiphop classics...every song tell's a story of where we where and what we were doing when that song was out....argument's start-up RAKIM vs. KRS....RZA Vs. GZA ect.ect. When we turn to the current "rap" station...it's "What the fu*$ is this sh!t." My mom and dad said the same thing about the Eternal 1999 album!

There is no lyrical equivalent these day's:





....but don't get caught up...
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I don't know ANY... WORKING PRODUCERS....who actually..MAKE A PROFIT..that adhere to BUSINESS DECISIONS in the manner you described. As ancient as I prefer my music I probably have a bigger scope of how many rapper's/producer's are actually out than most teenager's on this website. I know to stay within my clients range and slowly serve them up some of my flavor.

I don't hit them with a Zip Disk or cassette tape full of AKAI files and Al Green Samples...c'mon MAN!

That's when I turn back to that RAP channel and listen to EVERYTHING. I turn on the radio and listen to EVERYTHING...business analysis...SWOT ANALYSIS NI66A !!

Calling out WACK SHYT and UPLIFTING the DOPE STUFF is hiphop too....but's its a Magneto vs. Professor X argument...PERSONAL OPINION at the end of the day.
 
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Im past boom bap because its now just an army of boring rappers & producers that all sound the same. I dont wanna hear another Nas wannabe ever again. But the reason there is a genre is because there is a sound. No sound = no genre.

If you can confuse a "Hip Hop" song with another genre, you can say, its not real hip hop. Because it sounds like another genre. Hip Hop fusion maybe, but not Real Hip Hop. If youre singing love songs with autotune on a super polished beat, youre not making hip hop, youre making pop.

The thing about "Real Hip Hop" is that people dont wanna hear people making other genres & calling it Hip Hop. Look what happened to R&B, its now just black guys copying Backstreet Boys. And if you tried to call Backstreet Boys R&B in the 90s you wouldve been shot or something lol

And you know since Hip Hop IS turning into "R&B" lul... that means... that Backstreet Boys invented modern Hip Hop/R&B/MusicTheMediaDoesntCallPopBecauseItsMadeByBlackPeople/Whatever, except they were better at it than Chris Brown or Drake hahaha. And atleast they didnt try to rap or act gangsta lul.

Since you mentioned Taylor Swift, her music has no "country" in it, no country guitars/banjos, no country violins, or even the accent/singing style.
Avril Lavinge is/was supposed to be "punk", a whole different genre, but both their music sounds the same. Perfect example of people being called(insert genre) because of image & not anything you can actually hear in the music. People dont want that to happen to hip hop. Except it alreadyy did.
 
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DJ Woofa said:
Im past boom bap because its now just an army of boring rappers & producers that all sound the same. I dont wanna hear another Nas wannabe ever again. But the reason there is a genre is because there is a sound. No sound = no genre.

If you can confuse a "Hip Hop" song with another genre, you can say, its not real hip hop. Because it sounds like another genre. Hip Hop fusion maybe, but not Real Hip Hop. If youre singing love songs with autotune on a super polished beat, youre not making hip hop, youre making pop.

The thing about "Real Hip Hop" is that people dont wanna hear people making other genres & calling it Hip Hop. Look what happened to R&B, its now just black guys copying Backstreet Boys. And if you tried to call Backstreet Boys R&B in the 90s you wouldve been shot or something lol

And you know since Hip Hop IS turning into "R&B" lul... that means... that Backstreet Boys invented modern Hip Hop/R&B/MusicTheMediaDoesntCallPopBecauseItsMadeByBlackPeople/Whatever, except they were better at it than Chris Brown or Drake hahaha. And atleast they didnt try to rap or act gangsta lul.

Since you mentioned Taylor Swift, her music has no "country" in it, no country guitars/banjos, no country violins, or even the accent/singing style.
Avril Lavinge is/was supposed to be "punk", a whole different genre, but both their music sounds the same. Perfect example of people being called(insert genre) because of image & not anything you can actually hear in the music. People dont want that to happen to hip hop. Except it alreadyy did.
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I totally understand that.

Like obviously, Jason Derulo and Miley Cyrus don't make rap music.

But when you can't even go on an A$AP Rocky music video, or hell, I've even seen KENDRICK, without people saying "This isn't real hip-hop! Real hip-hop died with 2Pac/Biggie!" or something along those lines, it just gets annoying. Especially when a lot of these people don't even remember any rap songs from before the 90s and they think that the 90s and early 2000s was the only era of hip-hop.

And it's like you said, we already had Nas. Nobody wants to hear an army of boom-bap rappers who are clearly not close to as lyrically skilled. I mean, yeah, there's obviously music that is considered rap music that should never be considered rap music, but for some people, it seems like if it ain't Wu-Tang or Bone Thugs or NWA or whatever, it's not real.
 
DJ Woofa said:
If you can confuse a "Hip Hop" song with another genre, you can say, its not real hip hop...
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This.^^ Although I can appreciate when they combine hiphop and other genres its weak to me when I hear 4 on the floor ish referred to as hiphop.
Sorry, thats not hiphop...its dance / pop music. lol.

 
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Well Hip-Hop is Always a combination of other genres when it's sampled actually.
And some Trap beats are inspired by Lil Jon which is the worst thing that ever happened to Hip-Hop.
 
SFTRAXX said:
This.^^ Although I can appreciate when they combine hiphop and other genres its weak to me when I hear 4 on the floor ish referred to as hiphop.
Sorry, thats not hiphop...its dance / pop music. lol.

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I disagree. Africa Bambaata anyone?
 
KelevraOne said:
Then 4 on the floor from then would be acceptable as hip hop but not now?
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To me. 4 on the floor isn't hip hop. Then or now. Actually lemme rephrase that, I don't associate 4 on the floor with "RAP". Maybe its because I grew up on the west coast in an area where gangsta rap was prevalent, I don't know..I guess its all a matter of opinion, not to say that HipHop doesn't have its share of dance tracks but truth be told I never got into Africa Bambaata or 4 on the floor rap. I like my rap served in the slower bpm range mixed with a side of west coast gangsta please. lol.

 
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4 on the floor can be just as much Hip-Hop as it can be Dance.
It has more the do with Tempo of the Song.
If you make a 4 on the floor at 90 BPM it's probably gonna sound like Hip-Hop but if you do it at 130 BPM than it's probably gonna sound like Dance.
 
I don't have a problem with different sounds in Hip Hop, I mean Hip Hop is
just an overall name for the culture and it's sub-genres.
You've got G-Funk, Trap, Crunk, Snap, Soul, Boom Bap,Rick Rubin style
rock/rap,Dirty South, Drill etc.
All of these different sounds that can be dope and shouldn't be considered
"non-Hip Hop".
The only time I really feel "Real Hip Hop" is applicable is when you've
got dudes like Chris Brown, Frank Ocean and The Weeknd being labeled
as Hip Hop when they clearly aren't Hip Hop music.

The reason I don't like the "Real Hip Hop" label is because if
you great up on The Heatmakers, Kanye West and Just Blaze
someone will say "That isn't real Hip Hop".
If you grew up listening to G-Funk records with Quik,Cube,
Snoop, Dre etc. Someone will say "that isn't Hip Hop".
If you listened to Boom Bap only and didn't care for anything before
the late 80's, early 90's or post-96 then there
are people who will say "That isn't Hip Hop !".
Or if you grew up on H-Town, Atlanta, New Orleans,
Mississippi etc. there will be people that'll
say "Oh that isn't Hip Hop !"
Or if you're some goofy kid who lives in the midwest
and his only exposure to Hip Hop is Aesop Rock and Atmosphere
you'll say all of these other genre's "Aren't real Hip Hop".
Hip Hop can and should have diverse sounds without straying too
far from what Hip Hop ultimately is.
There are certain things that give you cues to what is Hip Hop
music, you'll know it when you hear it.

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Well Hip-Hop is Always a combination of other genres when it's sampled actually.
And some Trap beats are inspired by Lil Jon which is the worst thing that ever happened to Hip-Hop.
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I personally like The Crunk sound.
Lil Jon, pastor troy, ThreeSix, David banner, etc.
Make some ill records.
 
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this is how I like my 4 to the floor.........


:cheers: I had to do it man!

Let's go......


As the years go by in hip hop sampling........more of the other parts of a sample is thought about. Another way of how hip hop changes.

Goes to show that trendsetters run hip hop.
 
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D-Funkdafied said:
No. Real Hip Hop is used because today's hip hop is now unreal and manufactured.
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To me, that's just being biased.


I'd say ever since the 90s, hip-hop has become an industry filled with 'unreal' and 'manufactured' artists. Are we forgetting that Vanilla Ice and MC Hammer were arguably two of the biggest rappers of their time despite being the very definition of sellouts? Are we forgetting that in the mid-90s, the labels were trying to turn everyone into studio gangsters? Are we forgetting the tail-end of the 90s where we were bombarded by club music, from artists that we would have NEVER expected to see that type of music come from? When Nas literally switched his style up 3 times, from being a street poet, to a mafioso rapper, to a carbon copy Bad Boys artist? When Pac went from a street justice warrior into an all-out thug? When Puffy tried to recreate the success he had from Biggie with Shyne? When Jay-Z switched from Reasonable Doubt to In My Lifetime, which had more glam and polish, and less grit and realism than his previous release?

Hip-hop, more than any music industry on Earth, has always been a victim of manufactured artists. The only difference is that rather than studio gangsters/ballers in baggy jeans and beanies, we've got hipsters with skinny jeans and snapbacks.

As far as the music itself, yes, this generation generally has more 'polished' and 'poppy' artists but you have to wonder just who exactly they picked this up from, because they certainly didn't get this music popping on their own....

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I don't get it. Rap is the only fanbase that is this divided. Metal fans, rock fans, country fans can all appreciate a good song regardless of what generation it was created in (unless, of course, you're Taylor Swift) but when it comes to rap, you have people who outright refuse to pay attention to new artists if they don't sound exactly like the ones they grew up with. It's a self-destructive attitude. Rather than put down the new school, why not let them have a different voice and add in some constructive criticism so that they can put out more quality music under their own identity?

And this is coming from a guy who, for several years, thought that the only good rappers were ones from the 90s, 80s, etc. but now I'm seeing guys like Kendrick, Rocky, Drake, Cole, Tyler and Earl who are all dope IMO, but each bring something different to the rap game. I don't wanna hear Nas coming from a new guy's mouth, that's what I have Nas for.

And let's not forget that most of the albums we praise as classics nowadays were by no means mainstream hits when they came out, with a few exceptions like The Blueprint and All Eyez On Me. I'm willing to bet that it's the same case with the current generation.
 
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