Ableton vs. Maschine FOR sampling

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maschine works with ableton also....u can use maschine in any DAW. they have templates built in already for some and making more for the others. if u get a maschine, dont get mikro...u want all the features(MY PERSONAL OPINION THO). BUT JUST LIKE ANYTHING YOU PURCHASE, DO YOUR RESEARCH AND COMPARE FIRST. i would wait and see how AKAI MPC STUDIO does. NAMM 2012: Akai MPC Studio - YouTube
 
deRaNged 4 Phuk'dup said:
^^^OMFG THANK U!!!!

All I've wanted to make ableton do!!!!!

I guess I just need to turn warp completely off, right?
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I had made a small Camtasia screen capture...showing how fast its actually done...but I did a shitty job editing the video. In the preferences you can turn off auto-warping. Its also annoying for me. I do as world wide said...turn it off...chop everything, then start adjusting the warp markers. After mess with the bpm. Once you have the warp markers right it all syncs with the bpm.
 
World Wide said:
^^^ Less than a minute? Ok...

1) Import sample.
2) Set project tempo to match sample
2) Highlight part you want to loop
3) Click and drag highlighted portion to 2nd audio track.

DONE. Now you can duplicate/cut/whatever you want and change the project tempo and the loop will change with it.

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The video is 14 minutes... but obviously you could do it A LOT faster if you weren't playing the originals, explaining everything you're doing, etc.
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Thanks for posting this
 
I actually got my machine for about $350 or $400 brand new. I own komplete, so they hooked me up with a deal. I personally do not think it is worth the list price. But It is a fun tool.
The encoders are smooth, the effects are decent, and the samples are fairly easy to find. It does feel like a real drum machine. Very nice alternative to a mouse.
If I could go back in time, I would probably have just picked up an Akai 25 key controller and used abletons drum racks.
Sampling and slicing in Ableton is way easier. You can slice to midi with CTRL + E and its already mapped for you.
Happy Music to you!
 
Wow, completely lost track of the the thread, and came back to find way more replies, very useful stuff guys, thanks!.

Renobymkus said:
If I could go back in time, I would probably have just picked up an Akai 25 key controller and used abletons drum racks.
Sampling and slicing in Ableton is way easier. You can slice to midi with CTRL + E and its already mapped for you.
Happy Music to you!
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As for Renobymykus, it's funny that you say that. As I've become more familiar with ableton sampling, I have been triggering cut sampling using my mpk25 pads, and so far its working pretty well. And i guess you just confirmed my thoughts on that.
As a result, I think I have the right tools for the job, and I'm thinking that the machine would be an extra accessory for fun, but far from necessary, especially with this nice ableton mpk25 setup. Any more thoughts on this are welcome
 
I actually ended up going with Motu BPM. If you're on a Mac missing FL Studio's step sequencer and Edison type loop editing/timestretch, this is probably as close as your gonna get. I'm using it standalone with the Machfive 3 soundbank(only loads UVI and Motu soundbanks, no vsti in standalone like Maschine, but will load mp3, wav, rex, aif as well). Some good features in it that FL's sequencer doesn't have and absolutely everything FL's sequencer has(honestly think they may have ripped it off, but I'm not complaining at all!).

I've been praising this software since I got it, gotta put up some vids of work getting done.
 
deRaNged 4 Phuk'dup said:
I actually ended up going with Motu BPM. If you're on a Mac missing FL Studio's step sequencer and Edison type loop editing/timestretch, this is probably as close as your gonna get. I'm using it standalone with the Machfive 3 soundbank(only loads UVI and Motu soundbanks, no vsti in standalone like Maschine, but will load mp3, wav, rex, aif as well). Some good features in it that FL's sequencer doesn't have and absolutely everything FL's sequencer has(honestly think they may have ripped it off, but I'm not complaining at all!).

I've been praising this software since I got it, gotta put up some vids of work getting done.
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Hmm cool. Unfortunately, I have no other DAW experience other than ableton, but the way you are talking is very convincing, as it seems like a fresh approach to doing things while at an affordable price. But of course its only software. It definitely seems like something to consider though, and if you do put up videos, be sure to let me know.
 
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it depends on the person of coarse. Ive used ableton and I dont really like it. I much prefer FL to any Daw out there
 
I think that sampling in ableton is better then maschine if you know what you're doing and don't mind complications. For example, if you transpose a clip and then slice it into drum rack, the transposition is gone, so you have to resample the clip or transpose every single slice. In maschine, of course, everything is faster, however ableton, being the beast it is, can do more but there's no way you could do it without the mouse.
 
rogergil said:
You can probably do more with samples in Ableton BUT Maschine's workflow is like a traditional sampler on steroids. The only feature that Ableton has that I wish was in Maschine is the ability to stretch and warp samples. Maschine chops samples a lot like Propellerhead's Recycle but on-the-fly and more easily (in my opinion). Ableton is great for correcting a sample's timing more precisely... but then again those of us who've grown accustomed to using hardware samplers tend to just find other ways to compensate for a lack of warping in Maschine.
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I totally agree. I live the Maschine workflow. Ableton will have more features. Both are nice to have working together
 
Maschine is more about the super fast and hands-on, mouse free workflow. If you don't mind clicking around menus with a mouse on computer screens to make music (which is the case even if you use MIDI controllers), then you could just stick with Live. Maschine's advantage is that it feels like using hardware because you don't even have to look at the computer. Nothing I've tried comes as close to Maschine for the speed and ease of chopping and mangling samples.
 
The next update of Maschine will include sample stretch and manipulation. Being that NI is behind it, I'm thinking the realms of Kontakt?
 
i would definitely go ableton, though i have no prior experience with maschine
 
Neon Sea said:
I think that sampling in ableton is better then maschine if you know what you're doing and don't mind complications. For example, if you transpose a clip and then slice it into drum rack, the transposition is gone, so you have to resample the clip or transpose every single slice. In maschine, of course, everything is faster, however ableton, being the beast it is, can do more but there's no way you could do it without the mouse.
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The work around for that in Ableton is to flatten the pitch-shifted sample, and THEN send it to the drum racks.
 
Christ, i'm just using FL10...It still comes out dope...
 
Ableton can do everything Maschine can and much more. The appeal of Maschine is that it gives you a different way of working. It takes away the visual aspect and makes you use your ears. Even though it couldn't be easier to assign controls in Ableton, people tend not to do it, you're trying to think about making music not setting up your gear. In Maschine everything is already set up out of the box, just start hitting pads and moving dials with instant results.. It's just more musical
 
Ableton is an absolute beast of a program and I love it with a passion for doing live stuff (and even producing some stuff if I didn't have such an affinity for Logic).... but strictly speaking in terms of sampling I've never come across anything that makes the process so painless and efficient as Maschine. I can throw a record w/ 5 or 6 tracks on it in Maschine and pretty much sift through every track, pick out what I need, sample things, go back and alter the cuts and have my 16 pads filled within a matter of minutes if I'm really in a hurry and not being too picky. And not once do I have to look at the computer or click anything... all done w/ the hardware is the beauty of it.
 
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