Looping vs. Chopping Quagmire/Philosophy

[beatthebrakes]

If you "chop" a sample into 16 pads of material that ascends from pad 1 to pad 16, you then play pads 1, 4, 6, 9, 1, 4, 6, 12 in a 2 bar sequence that will inevitebly become an intergal part of the beat you're making, i.e., the part before the choras, that repeats for 16 bars, isn't that just a loop?

If I dissected a frog, and then grafted his ear on his forehead, does that NO longer make it a frog???

The conclusion? Chopping is a myth. It's a figment..

 

[Gilson]

Ah you on some next level thinking now lol.
In the example you give I would agree and consider that still looping.
The only stuff I really consider chopping would be...1,5,2,8,11,4,2,1,1,7,5,12,11,4,6,15,3,16,3,4
lol

 

[noblewordz]

You should graft his balls on his forehead, just for lolz..

 

[slik da relic]

"looping" a sample, is considered a sample that hasnt been chopped up to make a different melody... chopping the sample gives u the power to rearrange its parts, and more flexibility to form a NEW melody, regardless of how similar it sounds to the original.

trust me, its not a myth:



da relic

 

[Xabiton]

If you "chop" a sample into 16 pads of material that ascends from pad 1 to pad 16, you then play pads 1, 4, 6, 9, 1, 4, 6, 12 in a 2 bar sequence that will inevitebly become an intergal part of the beat you're making, i.e., the part before the choras, that repeats for 16 bars, isn't that just a loop?

If I dissected a frog, and then grafted his ear on his forehead, does that NO longer make it a frog???

The conclusion? Chopping is a myth. It's a figment..

then so is playing a piano. There are 12 notes on the piano that repeat and are pitched up and down very similar to how one would do it on a mpc. If all you do is press 1 3 5 6 11 9 3 how is that not the same in your context. Music is a myth we are just triggering sound

 

[beatthebrakes]

The only stuff I really consider chopping would be...1,5,2,8,11,4,2,1,1,7,5,12,11,4,6,15,3,16,3,4

LMFAO!

You should graft his balls on his forehead, just for lolz..

..do frogs even have ears?

then so is playing a piano. There are 12 notes on the piano that repeat and are pitched up and down very similar to how one would do it on a mpc. If all you do is press 1 3 5 6 11 9 3 how is that not the same in your context. Music is a myth we are just triggering sound

thas deep...but you're saying that the keys on a piano that trigger sound are simply "loops" as the 12 notes loop over the 88 keys. so, ALL music is just a loop?

"looping" a sample, is considered a sample that hasnt been chopped up to make a different melody... chopping the sample gives u the power to rearrange its parts, and more flexibility to form a NEW melody, regardless of how similar it sounds to the original.

but even when rearranged, don't the rearanged parts still play in a "loop?" example....I amputate my pinky finger and toe and switch them. Is my foot and hand any different? I can still write and walk.

 

[noblewordz]

"looping" a sample, is considered a sample that hasnt been chopped up to make a different melody... chopping the sample gives u the power to rearrange its parts, and more flexibility to form a NEW melody, regardless of how similar it sounds to the original.

trust me, its not a myth:



da relic

You sound like Wee-Bey from the wire.

 

[slik da relic]

we're not composing Beethoven... ur creating a melody, and then recording it into a sequence that will eventually have an ending.. once it gets to its end, it will repeat the melody again from the beginning... thats what a "loop" is... doesnt matter how the notes are arranged.

da relic

 

[JadeMonkey]

Aint no myth. Looping is no cuts to a sample. Chopping is chopping a sample up. Straightforward as that. Your over analyzing shit a bit too much.

"looping" a sample, is considered a sample that hasnt been chopped up to make a different melody... chopping the sample gives u the power to rearrange its parts, and more flexibility to form a NEW melody, regardless of how similar it sounds to the original.

trust me, its not a myth:



da relic

3rd flip is dope man. Simpler than the other two but just head noddin.

 

[hollandturbine]

A loop is a sample set to repeat, press a key and a loop will keep going for as long as the key is held.

A faux loop is a sample that needs to be triggered so it sounds like a real loop, people often describe the way it sounds rather than the way it works.

 

[breakbeat-cafe]

What about Carrotts?

 

[beatthebrakes]

Aint no myth. Looping is no cuts to a sample. Chopping is chopping a sample up. Straightforward as that. Your over analyzing shit a bit too much.

right...chopping it...and then playing the "chops" in a loop...creating nothing but another loop.

we're not composing Beethoven... ur creating a melody, and then recording it into a sequence that will eventually have an ending.. once it gets to its end, it will repeat the melody again from the beginning... thats what a "loop" is... doesnt matter how the notes are arranged.

da relic

my point exactly. chopping is a myth.

 

[lion-ucs]

Why are you trying to make yourself look smarter by over-complicating something so simple. In fact, why does it even matter. Go make some music or something instead of trying to perplex things.

 

[AudioCzar]

Why are you trying to make yourself look smarter by over-complicating something so simple. In fact, why does it even matter. Go make some music or something instead of trying to perplex things.

^ This.

But all in all "chopping" & "Looping" is nothing more Than manipulating & Re-Arranging the Audio to get it the way u want

 

[DJ Y-Not]

we're not composing Beethoven... ur creating a melody, and then recording it into a sequence that will eventually have an ending.. once it gets to its end, it will repeat the melody again from the beginning... thats what a "loop" is... doesnt matter how the notes are arranged.

da relic

Exactly!!!

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Chopping is not a myth. There is different variations to chopping. Auto chopping into 2, 4, 8, 16 etc. I prefer a 2 bar sample chopped into 8th's and have mute group on so the sample turns off like a closed hat, if you know what I mean. Then there is custom chopping when you manually chop each part the length you want. Chopping and flipping a sample the I got from diggin' in da crates is what it's all about for me!!!

 

[doctah]

Did someone hate on you for looping? Is that the genesis of this thread?

right...chopping it...then...creating nothing but another loop.

No one hates on loops in this context. People hate on others who just loop a pre-existing sample. If you do that and make it a great song (see: Today Was a Good Day), you'll still have people hating on you as a "producer"....

"Yeah - he went platinum, but he didn't actually do anything".

...you just have to make it into a great song.

Most mainstream genres of music are based on some type of repetition with a little variety here and there. It might be a 1/4 bass drum - it might be a "boom boom bap" loop, it might be some specific musical phrase (or a variation of one previously played) at the beginning of every bar - but there is some sort of repetition. If everything keeps changing all the time, you get noise. See the following video:

 

[hollandturbine]

Constantly triggering a 1 bar long sample from it's starting point and calling it looping when you are really just sequencing it makes your loop a myth.

 

[Gilson]

Not really very relevant to the thread seeing as this has nothing to do with beatmaking lol but still a dope loop tho lol




*takes another shot and leaves thread*

 

[Skammadix]

The homie Rugged n Raw is bananas at chopping shit up...

 

[ednom]

Looping and choppin r 2 different entities, looping is simply a case of the culmination of 'dumbing down' of music...no hate. The case is loopin is a means of extendin a dope phrase into a 2 min song...when last did u hear a ten minute jazz song that was a 8 bar loop, in the same vein u cant say u have heard a 10 minute so that never had a single phrase repeated or rather looped. Chopin as a process has been explained...simply tryna form a melody...that is then followed by repeatin those chops or loopin.

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