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[Xabiton]

No, but there's a start and end marker that is movable. So by creating lots of copies of a sample, and setting their markers is just as good as distributing slices of samples on the keyboard or pads.

we are saying the same thign in different words lol. i was basically saying duplicate the long sample a bunch of times in the tool window then edit each sample or just export ur start/end points and load each sound independently. this is going to be a great update. but I will probably still use Record for drum loops because I am missing the autochop for it already

 

[Sidi.Baraka]

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Yeah! Like the VSTs that you are using are not separate app that you need to buy(unless it's free or cracked). Also, Reason is not designed to be a DAW in the first place. So of course it's not a "real" DAW. Also about Waves and other SSL or Neve plugins, aren't those emulations also??? I guess, if it's not for you, why bother?

First of all I never said Reason was a DAW. Second I know vst's are seperate apps, but who says you need vst's to record? Most daws include Fx packages and instrument libraries. Third, I never bashed emulations just told you it was a simple emulation, and Yes Waves SSL and Neve plugins are also emulations... So? They are a lot better emulations.

ok you just made yourself sound real silly out the box pro tools, cubase or logic,reaper, there mixer by itself is not better than record's mixer out of the box i'm sorry there not. think about you have to constantly go outside the box to get third party plugins which by the way are cpu hogs as well. how people do you know that went out purchased waves diamond bundle or mercury bundle (we all know that s the most crack plugin on the market for pc users) now if your constantly looking for the next plugin your constantly spending money since most studio are in home nowadays i dont think anyone wants to get spending money on plugins. #2. who said reason was a daw. i would love to know please tell me that. #3. how come record came out less than a year ago and its the most talked about daw on the web right now. for simplicity and stability. name one daw out the that you can load up 16 different high quality vsts 35 audio tracks and 3rd plugins on each track that runs stable with no hiccups thats not on a hd system. dogg its obvisious that you never used record let alone know the true power of record or reason. but use what you use homie. i'm making money and making my connections, shout out to me for having records coming out very soon with jim jones, red cafe, uncle murda and joel ortiz which tracks all made in reason/record. mixed and every. you dudes on fp love to talk technical about vsts and capabilities but yet in the industry nobody cares. its about the music if sounds good or not.

lol Naw son! YOU just made yourself sound silly with all that name dropping
But Im a reply to it anyways. First off all, I see you are still running a 2.4 dualcore.. That pretty much explains why you think a DAW can't run 16 high quality vst's 35 audio tracks and Fx on the tracks. And there is a HUGE difference between 16 of your favourite Vst's and a crappy malström, an ancient nnxt a and one of the worst Eq's I've ever heard. And those Line6 plugins didnt make things any better. Plus who said you need the whole Diamond bundle?.. There are a lot of gems to be found in the vst world.. even free . As far as using record... I've been a reason user since 2.5 (around '03 but dont quote me on that) I was a beta tester for Record. Can't say I really dug in to it though, but I AM aware of its capabilities.


And by the way jim jones and uncle murder are some of the wackest in the game right now.

 

[DaNOC]

we are saying the same thign in different words lol. i was basically saying duplicate the long sample a bunch of times in the tool window then edit each sample or just export ur start/end points and load each sound independently. this is going to be a great update. but I will probably still use Record for drum loops because I am missing the autochop for it already

You guys chopping methods are a lil different from mines, I use to chop on the MPC then I found out about Recycle, I think Akai bit off Props Recycle because Recycle was out before the MPC2000 and 2000XL, I just wasn't computer based yet. I have to learn what you guys are talking about it doesn't hurt to learn a new method, it sounds dope, I think what I see in my head and what you guys are writing fits but I would love to see that in action on a video. Just so I can get it exactly what you mean.

 

[chelemasty]

You guys chopping methods are a lil different from mines, I use to chop on the MPC then I found out about Recycle, I think Akai bit off Props Recycle because Recycle was out before the MPC2000 and 2000XL, I just wasn't computer based yet. I have to learn what you guys are talking about it doesn't hurt to learn a new method, it sounds dope, I think what I see in my head and what you guys are writing fits but I would love to see that in action on a video. Just so I can get it exactly what you mean.

I'm not gonna make a video about coz it seems you'll get it if you just read it carefully. Anyways, this is what I would do.

Now with Reason5+Record, for example, NN-XT, if you want to make sampled beats, you could just load a single long sample that will create a ZONE.

After that, you right+click into it and COPY ZONE.

After that, edit the sample on the SAMPLE EDITOR and set the markers. So now you'll have a SLICE.

After that, right+click on the NN-XT's Editor then PASTE ZONE, it will now create a new copy of a sample, then open its SAMPLE EDITOR again and set some slice(it's not really different than setting slices in Recycle, except you'll just have one slice).

Just do this continuously, to create more slices to be distributed on your keboard.

And that goes the same in Kong too, except you're dealing with pads not zones. I find it easier in Kong though, coz I find it neater to work with samples in there. But in NN-XT, you can spread the sample on your keyboard, which is also an advantage over Kong. So, it's just a matter of taste.



And my favorite about it, if you pair it with Record, you can load a lot of samples on the sequencer. Razor cut all of the bits of samples that has potential to be used. Drag it into a NEW TRACK, then join all of the samples that you've razor cut, and then right+click and choose BOUNCE SAMPLE TO DISK.

And you did all of that, in one program.

 

[DaNOC]

I'm not gonna make a video about coz it seems you'll get it if you just read it carefully. Anyways, this is what I would do.

Now with Reason5+Record, for example, NN-XT, if you want to make sampled beats, you could just load a single long sample that will create a ZONE.

After that, you right+click into it and COPY ZONE.

After that, edit the sample on the SAMPLE EDITOR and set the markers. So now you'll have a SLICE.

After that, right+click on the NN-XT's Editor then PASTE ZONE, it will now create a new copy of a sample, then open its SAMPLE EDITOR again and set some slice(it's not really different than setting slices in Recycle, except you'll just have one slice).

Just do this continuously, to create more slices to be distributed on your keboard.

And that goes the same in Kong too, except you're dealing with pads not zones. I find it easier in Kong though, coz I find it neater to work with samples in there. But in NN-XT, you can spread the sample on your keyboard, which is also an advantage over Kong. So, it's just a matter of taste.



And my favorite about it, if you pair it with Record, you can load a lot of samples on the sequencer. Razor cut all of the bits of samples that has potential to be used. Drag it into a NEW TRACK, then join all of the samples that you've razor cut, and then right+click and choose BOUNCE SAMPLE TO DISK.

And you did all of that, in one program.

Ok cool thanks, I will try that when I get it, I will just save what you said.

Right now I am in my studio hooking these vocals up for one of my singers in Record right now. I did the Mix from the MPC through my Yamaha O2R 96, then got that as a wav file into Record. Sounds crazy, so I didn't have to open mad tracks in Record so now I just have his leads, his backing and one set of other vocals and that's it. lol So I can hand that to the mastering guy as stems and he can fix up my stereo track as need be and the vocals and bammmmmmmmmm it's going to sound crazy after he finish with it. I love my set up!

 

[MrDuke]

And the great thing about it, in Record, is that it timestretch it perfectly unlike in Ableton where you'll hear artifacts if it's timestretched heavily.

I beg to differ. Change the Warp timestretching algorithm into "Complex" and you have a perfectly smooth loop/sample.

Ableton has the easiest (and IMO best) timestretching function there is.

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Regarding Reason 5 - I expected way more. "Neptune" looks great, but it's for Record and nothing you couldn't do with existing Vocoder plug-ins or pitch correction. "Blocks" seems useful, and reminds me of the workflow in Yamaha's Motif synths.

 

[chelemasty]

I beg to differ. Change the Warp timestretching algorithm into "Complex" and you have a perfectly smooth loop/sample.

Ableton has the easiest (and IMO best) timestretching function there is.

You think I don't do that in Live? Well, you're entitled in your own opinion, and I'm entitled on my own. It's just I find the timestretch in Record better. Expecially now that you can stretch the sample with your mouse.

 

[Chef Cree]

Ok cool thanks, I will try that when I get it, I will just save what you said

I'm pretty sure the nn-xt in reason 4 is already capible of doing this. Just create multiple zones of the same long sample and set seperate start and end points of each keyzone/slice you want. You can reverse, pitch level ect. the slices this way as we'll. Switch your poly to 1 and attack all the way up, presto m.p.c. chopping and playback. The only differance is the visual wav editor. This method you chop by ear.

 

[_SG_]

No, but there's a start and end marker that is movable. So by creating lots of copies of a sample, and setting their markers is just as good as distributing slices of samples on the keyboard or pads.

Oh come on, that is just a clumsy workaround, at least it works but still no where near as easy in other software. And the manually chopping by ear also works too, doesn't mean its a good implementation. They make the easier way (recycle) a standalone app because they want you to pay for it. It's their product so fair enough, but it definitely leaves a bad impression on some people.

 

[kb420]

I'm pretty sure the nn-xt in reason 4 is already capible of doing this. Just create multiple zones of the same long sample and set seperate start and end points of each keyzone/slice you want. You can reverse, pitch level ect. the slices this way as we'll. Switch your poly to 1 and attack all the way up, presto m.p.c. chopping and playback. The only differance is the visual wav editor. This method you chop by ear.

That's Sampling 101. It's not that big of a deal. In Live when you auto chop something, that's exactly what it does automatically. So if you don't like the way Live chopped it, you can change the start and stop points as you see fit. Every slice is actually a copy of the entire sample.

 

[DaNOC]

I'm pretty sure the nn-xt in reason 4 is already capible of doing this. Just create multiple zones of the same long sample and set seperate start and end points of each keyzone/slice you want. You can reverse, pitch level ect. the slices this way as we'll. Switch your poly to 1 and attack all the way up, presto m.p.c. chopping and playback. The only differance is the visual wav editor. This method you chop by ear.

thanks but on that point I like to see my sample and chop 100% precise. I have noticed when I use to chop by ear and then put that sample in an editor and look at it, my ear was off, then I had to trim it to make it precise, so I like to see my sample. is the NNXT getting the site editor as well where you can see what your chopping or is that in the Kong Joint? ANYONE?

 

[World Wide]

Once again this isn't for rewire clients
This is for Reason Users

God forbid they make an update for EVERYONE who gave them hundreds of their hard earned dollars for their product...

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What am I saying... that would be ridiculous, apparently.

 

[neverenoughfunk]

there is allot of great information in this thread...

and appears "most" will update/upgrade to Reason 5 and Record 1.5...

for me Reason/Record is a great scratch pad tool. to some it is a great instrument. to some it is a great production tool. i guess this is what makes Reason/Record a "nice" product.

i think Reason/Record combo is targeted for the young urban producer/beatmaker. for a very "small" investment an individual can become a producer/beatmaker with all the tools necessary to get the job done...

this may be a fact (not sure) but Reaper may have the "best" time stretching...

i keep reading that omnisphere is not all that...

omnisphere is not for everyone. especially if you think Reason/Record is the end to all music production setup. one would need to have a taste for omnisphere. its like drinking beer. the first time anyone had a beer i am pretty sure they did not enjoy the taste. an individual had to grow into enjoying that beer taste. once that individual starts understanding the taste of beer he/she begin to understand the differents between saint pauly girl, ole english, motsens, and better beers. same can be said about omnisphere. an individual need to develop a taste for it.

omnisphere cant be cpu hog because if you read the specs before purchasing it the spec said you need a "nice" machine. anyone with a "nice' machine and omnisphere do not think it is a cpu hog. there are some of us that run stylus rmx, omnisphere, trilian, kontakt and play at the same time and do not worry about cpu usage...

maybe the individuals that think omnisphere is a cpu hop should get a machine that can handle it or stick with Reason/Record because the spec are minimal for the Reason/Record combo...

 

[kb420]

its like drinking beer. the first time anyone had a beer i am pretty sure they did not enjoy the taste. an individual had to grow into enjoying that beer taste. once that individual starts understanding the taste of beer he/she begin to understand the differents between saint pauly girl, ole english, motsens, and better beers. same can be said about

All music software.


Sorry, neverenoughfunk, but that was just too good of an analogy to pass up!!!!!



Time to check out what Kong can do now!!!!!

 

[m21m]

Looks DOPE!!!



Only one question as i understand in this we can only assign sounds to16 pads, no more banks A,B,C or i didn't understand right?

 

[kb420]

Looks DOPE!!!

Only one question as i understand in this we can only assign sounds to16 pads, no more banks A,B,C or i didn't understand right?

No, no banks, but remember, this is Reason. It's light on the cpu. If you need more banks, then just open more instances.

 

[_SG_]

No, no banks, but remember, this is Reason. It's light on the cpu. If you need more banks, then just open more instances.

While that's generally true, I still would rather have banks then clutter with more devices that I have to keep track on.

Kong looks cool, more featured pack then any new device it seems. I hate to keep prying at this but the built in rex thing only shows how silly it is that they still are making you pay for recycle, its like they give you everything BUT the ability to easily slice.

Still, this kong thing is definitely interesting, seems like something I would have to use before I judge it completely.

 

[neverenoughfunk]

All music software.


Sorry, neverenoughfunk, but that was just too good of an analogy to pass up!!!!!



Time to check out what Kong can do now!!!!!

i agree...


in the future please ask first before augmenting my analogies...



one thing we can say about Props is that they are not looking back. what i mean is that individuals will "never" will be able to use hardware/software in stand alone mode (midiout) with Record/Reason combo. you will have to rewire...

it seems like they are sticking to thier guns with no midi-out...

 

[kb420]

While that's generally true, I still would rather have banks then clutter with more devices that I have to keep track on.

You could actually make a Combinator with as many instances as you wanted, but I agree it does seem like banks would have been the way to go.

 

[neverenoughfunk]

While that's generally true, I still would rather have banks then clutter with more devices that I have to keep track on.

Kong looks cool, more featured pack then any new device it seems. I hate to keep prying at this but the built in rex thing only shows how silly it is that they still are making you pay for recycle, its like they give you everything BUT the ability to easily slice.

Still, this kong thing is definitely interesting, seems like something I would have to use before I judge it completely.

i hear what you are saying about recycle...

but recycle is more income for Props...

$200 a pop...

i do not think you would leave that money on table either...