Here is how you clear a sample...

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Kanye, Boi 1Da, Cool N Dre, Polow Da Don, Just Blaze, Jake One, Justis League, Kane Beats, tons of Sampled tracks. Even in Pop music. Katie Perry, Chester French, P!nk, Ke$ha and others all have had current hits with samples or interpolations in them.
 
Xabiton said:
yeah but that was back when you could make decent money with samples. In the 90s hell yeah Rza probably made some good dough off of samples. But how many current new producers could do the same with the way things are now?
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It's not about the short term money generated from the song. I'm more concerned with the long term success of the artist.

If I have to give up 100% publishing on this record and not make a dime off of it, but it's a hit for the artist, and thus drives the sales of the current project, future projects, and exponentially increases her show earnings potential, not to mention visibility, then it's worth it.
 
deRaNged 4 Phuk'dup said:
"Best I ever had" was a royalty train wreck. I'm sure Coop could go into the details, or a google search, I don't wanna say the wrong thing, but I think the chorus was written for Khia Shine and Drake breeched some contrct by using it, so they had to pay him, then they didn't clear the sample or something, I can't remember, but I know it was a situation where I doubt they broke even after the bad response to the vid, but it did open floodgates for Drake to get big money so it wasn't a loss at all. Google it.
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Yeah i thought they didn't clear it. The good outweighed the bad but it just goes to show that Drake missed out on a lot of money by not clearing that song. Of course that was an extreme case though.

deRaNged 4 Phuk'dup said:
^^^All left to chance. RZa's a millionaire off sampled beats. The guys who sung the "I like girls who wear Ambercrombie and Finch" song aren't as rich as him off their pop music without samples. lol. :cheers:
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Good Ol LFO, lol. I used to like that song a lot when it came out.

 
Good info, but there's no f-ing way I'd front 11k just to clear a sample as an indie/unsigned. You can't compose something yourself that does this artists song justice?
 
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WhiteHotPro said:
Good info, but there's no f-ing way I'd front 11k just to clear a sample as an indie/unsigned. You can't compose something yourself that does this artists song justice?
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11k is just the average max price.



The song is built around the sample, and based off of the sample. So no. It's the only sample on the entire project, but it's a huge record.




I think people forget, that unsigned indies are tomorrow's superstars. All it takes is one song to catapult them into that superstardom category.


I'd pay 11k to launch an artist into superstardom. I mean if the song even becomes a regional hit, the sample will pay for itself in about a month, easily.


It's not like I'm gonna pay 11,000 on a sample, and then sell the CD at the bus stop.
 
wow. :bigeyes:
11 stacks is big money to me im not even going to front. Being in college full time and what not, that would kill me.

Either way thanks for the info Troup!
 
^^^Also don't forget as you clear that song you're building a relationship and catching the interest of people who end up with the paperwork on their desk. It's in the sampled artist and label the artist was under's best interest for the song to do good. That not only get's them revenue from the success of your song, but the original as well. Think of how much George Clinton made off Dr. Dre and Deathrow. Think of how much G-Funk resurrected their forgotten music and re-emerged them onto our music scene. One hand washes the other.
 
deRaNged 4 Phuk'dup said:
Kanye, Boi 1Da, Cool N Dre, Polow Da Don, Just Blaze, Jake One, Justis League, Kane Beats, tons of Sampled tracks. Even in Pop music. Katie Perry, Chester French, P!nk, Ke$ha and others all have had current hits with samples or interpolations in them.
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now who of them have RZA money from just sampling? The thing that they dont have that RZA did is that mainstream hip hop of his time was all sampled. I wouldnt even take the time to consider interpolations because you they aren't samples. They cost a lot less. None of them did entire albums full of sampled joints on a mainstream level except for Kanye. He is the exception. And Im not even sure if production is where Kanye has made most of his money like it has RZA.

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j.troup said:
It's not about the short term money generated from the song. I'm more concerned with the long term success of the artist.

If I have to give up 100% publishing on this record and not make a dime off of it, but it's a hit for the artist, and thus drives the sales of the current project, future projects, and exponentially increases her show earnings potential, not to mention visibility, then it's worth it.
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I agree. I am not against clearing samples to do so. I am speaking about something totally seperate

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j.troup said:
Short Money vs Long Money.
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That concept is missed on a lot of people these days. 11k is a one time investment that could bring in 11 million if done right. This is a business of taking chances. But most people around here think its a waste of money to even buy their daw of choice lol.
 
Most people around here think its a waste of money to even buy their daw of choice lol.

That's it right there. Troup is right.
Plus a kid who lives at home couldn't see spending 11K on anything because they haven't made that kind of money yet.
Keep living...You will soon enough.
 
Troup, imo, if you're essentially acting as a label, it's very foolish to not be involved in the live shows and benefit off of that. Making money off the records themselves is all well and good, but the majority comes through shows. You're selling yourself short. If you're gonna do all this work and invest all this money, it's stupid to neglect the live shows.
 
all the beats on the radio arent that complex musically,i say just compose something original thats catchy, and put it out and get %100 pub....but you guys are going for hits so yeah it will cost money to get it cleared...but if your really underground...id say wing it....9th wonder didnt clear anything off the first two MURS albums, and he eventually gotta major deal....
 
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Man first of all if you can't constantly make Hits then she won't sell...number 2 I would blast the song and then let the buzz decide if you need to take it to the legal level.....Is the song truly hot or is it average?
 
Voss25 said:
Troup, imo, if you're essentially acting as a label, it's very foolish to not be involved in the live shows and benefit off of that. Making money off the records themselves is all well and good, but the majority comes through shows. You're selling yourself short. If you're gonna do all this work and invest all this money, it's stupid to neglect the live shows.
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Trust me...I got it. :)

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Purple Floyd said:
Man first of all if you can't constantly make Hits then she won't sell...number 2 I would blast the song and then let the buzz decide if you need to take it to the legal level.....Is the song truly hot or is it average?
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The song will be hot. It's not recorded yet. I'm not trying to leave this song up to chance. When u got a hit record on your hands, you know it.

Letting the song buzz will get us sued. Cuz if the song is spinning on radio, then we can't get performance royalties from it. And if we try to clear the sample after the CD's are already pressed up and the song is on the radio, then the price is gonna skyrocket. So that's a bad move.


I wouldn't waste my time on an average song.
 
I wonder how much Kanye has spent clearing samples.. lol, just a thought..


but I always thought you could just say "It's not the producers responsibility to clear samples"
 
but it's your money. and if the label clears the sample your money is first to go. they will negotiate all your money to the original writers, your split.
 
Why is there a sigma when it comes to paying for samples.

If it blows up (kanye west), you will make killing touring around the world.

The original artist should be so lucky I took the time to dig up some old dusty record and sampled them.

Imagine Illmatic,Doggystyle,RD,Dogg Food, Enter da Stage without samples............................................WACK i tell you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This techno Hip Hop is great for the clubs but who's making classics that will stand the test of time.

Nobody!

That's my rant...I'm 33 and hate you and your vsts...................lol...jk.
 
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11,000 is bigger than a lot of producers here are used to seeing but for clearing a sample its decent.
 
I agree if the passion lies with in the track & its gonna make the artist you cant hold off on that. Kanye West is an example we can use... (though this may start another convo) he does things with the intentions of what he will get back on the other end.... sample based genius techniqes that he even said at time he was behind the bullet on. But when u behind the gun & you have the target in the cross hairs you better shoot because u never know when the tables turn.
 
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