what's the difference between old school hip hop and new school hip hop in depth

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Old School VS New School - I love this topic

Okay. I was born in the 70's so if I had to choose an era I would go old school. Not b/c I grew up with that music, it's b/c it was good music that was sampled from great music that I enjoyed listening to as a youngster. The first artist I can remember listening to and actually buying an album from was Michael Jackson. If you don't know your history, it was Michael's music that sparked a lot of careers for rappers back in the 80's and 90's. Everyone from "Back in the day", (LL Cool J all the way to Biggie) had at least one hit song b/c the beat was most likely sampled from an old Jackson 5 or Michael Jackson song. Don't believe me, do some research. Big Pun's (I'm Not Player) and LL's (Hey Love) come to mind but there are many more! The acoustic sound has changed obviously but that doesn't make either one better in my opinion. Today's hip hop or rap does allow you in some ways to be more creative b/c you are not expected to have a certain type of snare or dirty mix for example. The difference is choice of sounds. 80's and 90's were straight samples with some drums and bass added in very simplistic but effective & depending on the producer (creative) way. The natural sounding instruments are gone for the most part. Some say the content isn't the same. I used to think that way too but when I think deeper maybe not. In every era you have ya thug rappers, ya smooth for da chicks rappers, and the silly rapper. So take ya pick. It's all about what you like. The only difference and even this is minimal. I would say that the new school rappers 'as a whole' can flow "AS A WHOLE" better than old school rappers. The only big difference is "metaphors"! New school rappers can put together a couple lines that will really make you say "Oh ****" Did you hear what he just said? Problem is not everyone can't relate to it. Old school appealed to a broader audience (in my opinion b/c of the heavy use of samples) even though today's rappers make way more money than old school did. At the end of the day, if your heart really isn't in the music then the content of the product will suffer. Hip hop has been watered down. Doesn't take a genius to notice that pretty much every Dirty South song has the same flavor. Good flavor but it's old, it's stale. The South changed the game and now it's time for it to go in another direction. Heavy topic here. I'll chime back in later.
 
The differnce is now that hip-hop is the most popular form of music today (key word POPular) the powers that be are exploiting it in any way possible so they can control it and profit from it.

And please don't say all young people like the same stuff because I'm 21 and I make songs like this...


Age is not the problem it's the agenda. Obviously young people being more immature and impressionable will go along with it not knowing their being baited like fish
 
Move Music said:
Okay. I was born in the 70's so if I had to choose an era I would go old school. Not b/c I grew up with that music, it's b/c it was good music that was sampled from great music that I enjoyed listening to as a youngster. The first artist I can remember listening to and actually buying an album from was Michael Jackson. If you don't know your history, it was Michael's music that sparked a lot of careers for rappers back in the 80's and 90's. Everyone from "Back in the day", (LL Cool J all the way to Biggie) had at least one hit song b/c the beat was most likely sampled from an old Jackson 5 or Michael Jackson song. Don't believe me, do some research. Big Pun's (I'm Not Player) and LL's (Hey Love) come to mind but there are many more! The acoustic sound has changed obviously but that doesn't make either one better in my opinion. Today's hip hop or rap does allow you in some ways to be more creative b/c you are not expected to have a certain type of snare or dirty mix for example. The difference is choice of sounds. 80's and 90's were straight samples with some drums and bass added in very simplistic but effective & depending on the producer (creative) way. The natural sounding instruments are gone for the most part. Some say the content isn't the same. I used to think that way too but when I think deeper maybe not. In every era you have ya thug rappers, ya smooth for da chicks rappers, and the silly rapper. So take ya pick. It's all about what you like. The only difference and even this is minimal. I would say that the new school rappers 'as a whole' can flow "AS A WHOLE" better than old school rappers. The only big difference is "metaphors"! New school rappers can put together a couple lines that will really make you say "Oh ****" Did you hear what he just said? Problem is not everyone can't relate to it. Old school appealed to a broader audience (in my opinion b/c of the heavy use of samples) even though today's rappers make way more money than old school did. At the end of the day, if your heart really isn't in the music then the content of the product will suffer. Hip hop has been watered down. Doesn't take a genius to notice that pretty much every Dirty South song has the same flavor. Good flavor but it's old, it's stale. The South changed the game and now it's time for it to go in another direction. Heavy topic here. I'll chime back in later.
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Every song I'm hearing on the radio has the same flavor, whether south, east, west, or midwest.

Of course it's stale because now everybody wants to copy us. Producers think they can get a few 808's, some brass, synths, and a random arpeggiater and think they are a "dirty south producer"

The true dirty south sound is not the stripped down mechanicle s*** you hear on the radio. Our sound has been exploited ever since we began to get mainstream recognition and labels saw we were profitable.
 
I agree with most of what you said. Only problem I have is this:

Move Music said:
The only difference and even this is minimal. I would say that the new school rappers 'as a whole' can flow "AS A WHOLE" better than old school rappers.
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I know the intention of the statement, but it's not true to me. Hardly any of today's "shining stars" are credited for their flow. In a way that's part of the biggest difference between old school and new. As far as rappers at least.

The content is still the same, but as you mentioned a lot of the "old" is filled with more metaphors and similes than the "new". Honestly, I miss that. I believe that added to the creativity. But a lot of dudes don't have the flow to me. I could be wrong, though. But to me a lot of big names can't ride the beat like they did back in the 90's. They'd rather "bounce" on it. I'm not a hater, though. Do you, dawg. But I love the flow-ers not the bouncers.

As they say, to each his own.
 
hip hop nowadays might not be as good as old but it's still really dope. drake, wayne, kanye, jay-z, em, termanology, murs, joel ortiz, odyssey, game, wale, lupe, and many others are killin mics.

it's just that we have memories of how great the old music is and those memories are associated with good times etc. so the old music seems soo much better. talk to anyone getting older and they will say the music from their days was real music, better music etc.
 
In regards to the question as to how they are different, I think that a few things need to be taken into consideration.

1) what exactly does old school mean? hiphop has roots going all the way back to dj sets with mc's back in the 70's (earlier by some accounts). 80's would be old school, 90's could be considered old school, and hell, to some people that are really new to all of this, the early 2000's are sometimes considered old school (I have to laugh at this one though.)

2) One of the major differences has been not only how the music is different, but who now listens to the music. hiphop establishing commercial appeal in the 90's (during the golden era) had a huge impact on how it became marketed...that's when image reallllly reallly became much of what hiphop as a commercial medium was all about.
Because hiphop was marketed to a larger audience, the focus shifted from niche-based marketing to finding artists who have the broadest, lowest-common-denominator appeal.

3) the use of sampling in mainstream hiphop has changed considerably,. These days, you dont hear nearly as many sampled beats in the mainstream as you used to...and the primary reason for this is copyright law. These days to produce music that is able to pull in any money for the producer, artist, and label, producers need to avoid sampling as the prices of clearing samples can become prohibitive.
This is why there are so many synth based beats in the mainstream these days.

4) the availability of software based recording and distribution and the exchange of production information has brought many, many more people into the music production game. this has had good and bad effects that are too many to be named for the purposes of this thread.

In summary, I think that in order to understand how the two differ, you need to understand it in light of the music industry, the audiences, social context, tools for making music, and how it is distributed.
 
The reason that hip hop and most other music these days is predictable and generic is because record companies need hits. They can't afford to be different and experimental because it doesn't sell. Music is a business now, not an art form. Besides, you can't afford to be different and individual in a world where anything you release can be uploaded and pirated before you can say "You're under arrest" =). If you people want the style of old school rap to come back into the mainstream then show the record companies that the style is indeed profitable!
 
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Old School Hip-Hop was more funky and raw. New School Hip-Hop is all about the message. Real Hip-Hop isn't dead. It's been underground the whole time. Mainstream would be considered Rap to me, not Hip-Hop. Rap is materialistic and Degrading emotionless. Hip-Hop is real. Rap is Fake. And @ Southern Coalition, that **** is nice, lyrics are true as ****.
 
las7154 said:
depends on what u mean by old school...the hip hop of today is a carbon copy of early 80s hip hop before samples were used heavily....
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I hear this time and time again from people that love today's hiphop. Can you post a clip of an 80s HH song and a 2009 HH song - where they sound similar?

I guess there are similar aspects: in the 80s and since 2003:
- used 808s for drumbreaks
- composed many riffs themselves (not sampled)

but the difference is in the vibe and content. 80s hiphop riffs had much more depth, they had funk, disco and rnb to vibe off. They were doing it to deposit their creativity in something. They had better ideas. They were inspired, not copycats. They were pioneering a sound.

Todays **** is just because them niccas flunked kindergarten LOL.

What I've learned is there is no point trying to convince anyone that today's music has declined. If they can't HEAR it for themselves, they aren't going to believe you even if you could back it up with facts like: today's ****tier producers couldn't find Eb on a keyboard, don't know what an envelope is, can't play a Cm9, only use the white keys because they don't know music theory...etc. Even with proof, you can't convince deaf niccas.:cry:
 
people always have been wanting to have hits even on that movie cadillac records those guys are trying to have hits
 
drinmaster said:
i would like to know the difference beteen old school hip hop and new. because you see i feel that the true difference is that the new kids are being brainwashed with a complete materialistic form of rap and thats how its coming i love listening to e dog pund and **** and snoop and dre and tupac and eazy but especially the young black youth like all my peers so **** this this is too old but i think it'' be sounding hella good this is what i cam eup on but they just go forom song to song and i can't tell the difference in song quality and design because suppoisedly when i rap that "old school" style is showing and i can tell what that ids may some body pleas e explain this to me.
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The difference for the most part is majority of old guys(not all0 like old school, majority of young guys(not all) like new school. The same "content" has been present throughout time. You always had rhymes of money, women, how much better a rapper was than you, violence, messages, ect. It's easy to focus on current flaws in hip hop because their in your face currently.

FYI...when Sugar hill Gang released the 1st hip hop record ever, their were guys in the streets of the Bronx that felt they tainted an underground sound. So since the 1st hip hop recording, there has been a distaste for the culture'e "commercialization".

Othe commercializing moments in history....

Run DMC doing a Rock Collab
LL Cool J making love songs
KRS, Shan Roxanne, ect. introducing "Beef"
Slick Rick's foul Language
Kid N Play, Doug E Fresh, Flava Flav, Ed Lover and others having their own "dance"
MC Hammer(nothing else needs to be said)
Vanilla ice("")
Kriss Kross
Eminem
NWA
Luke/2Live Crew
Ice T's album covers with nudity
Illegal(Jamal from Def Squad and Malik)being little kids cursing all over a record.
Snoop Dogg/Dre calling girls byches and hoez
XClan/Digital underground/Native tongue Back to africa movement
50 Cent making it cool to show you had been shot
P.Diddy making everyone rap like Ma$e/Fab while wearing shiny suits in flashy vids
R. Kelly inventing "RnB Thugs" even though he was byting Aaron hall, lol
The changing of jewelry from gold to platinum to rose gold to yellow as hell 24k gold with colored stones
The switching of driving cars anyone getting a little cash could own(Lexus, SUVs, 5.0s, Benses, BMWs)to driving quarter mill or better whips.

All trends that some followed while others thought destroyed hip hop.

the saga continues with skinny jeans and whatever else kids these days are into. I'm a year younger than hip hop, I spent my entire life hearing about how it changed for the worse, so i have no clue when it was "good". :cheers:
 
Hip-hop lost all it's origionality, substance, meaningand most importantly skill. This hip-hop gives what it was a terrible name. Have you noticed that in every song the rhyme scheme is:
A
A
A
A
B
B
B
B
then a stupid chorus
what happend to intelligence or tallent. The music didn't have to die with Tupac and Biggie.
And stop givin biggie so much credit just because he had a movie. You kids got alot to learn
 
Good post that deranged i'm thinking. Brought something to attention that many seem to forget... including myself i think.
 
deRaNged 4 Phuk'dup said:
The difference for the most part is majority of old guys(not all0 like old school, majority of young guys(not all) like new school. The same "content" has been present throughout time. You always had rhymes of money, women, how much better a rapper was than you, violence, messages, ect. It's easy to focus on current flaws in hip hop because their in your face currently.

FYI...when Sugar hill Gang released the 1st hip hop record ever, their were guys in the streets of the Bronx that felt they tainted an underground sound. So since the 1st hip hop recording, there has been a distaste for the culture'e "commercialization".

Othe commercializing moments in history....



Run DMC doing a Rock Collab
LL Cool J making love songs
KRS, Shan Roxanne, ect. introducing "Beef"
Slick Rick's foul Language
Kid N Play, Doug E Fresh, Flava Flav, Ed Lover and others having their own "dance"
MC Hammer(nothing else needs to be said)
Vanilla ice("")
Kriss Kross
Eminem
NWA
Luke/2Live Crew
Ice T's album covers with nudity
Illegal(Jamal from Def Squad and Malik)being little kids cursing all over a record.
Snoop Dogg/Dre calling girls byches and hoez
XClan/Digital underground/Native tongue Back to africa movement
50 Cent making it cool to show you had been shot
P.Diddy making everyone rap like Ma$e/Fab while wearing shiny suits in flashy vids
R. Kelly inventing "RnB Thugs" even though he was byting Aaron hall, lol
The changing of jewelry from gold to platinum to rose gold to yellow as hell 24k gold with colored stones
The switching of driving cars anyone getting a little cash could own(Lexus, SUVs, 5.0s, Benses, BMWs)to driving quarter mill or better whips.

All trends that some followed while others thought destroyed hip hop.

the saga continues with skinny jeans and whatever else kids these days are into. I'm a year younger than hip hop, I spent my entire life hearing about how it changed for the worse, so i have no clue when it was "good". :cheers:
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and what about the native tounge and political rapper's that generation past a long time ago groups like tribe called quest,king sun,heroglifics(spelled wrong i think)thats the era i miss thats when hiphop was fun and i wasnt scared to play it loud in my car or outside on the porch..the music is a bunch of synth presest and every line is the same as stated before..
 
Uncle T 2 Times said:
Kaminota u r full of bull ****
soulja boy really.
What evolution r u talking about
gold into garbage
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he was joking i strongly think, meaning that the terribleness of soulja boy makes him realize how good everytihng else is

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dasoulnme said:
and what about the native tounge and political rapper's that generation past a long time ago groups like tribe called quest,king sun,heroglifics(spelled wrong i think)thats the era i miss thats when hiphop was fun and i wasnt scared to play it loud in my car or outside on the porch..the music is a bunch of synth presest and every line is the same as stated before..
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exactly, i dont think i even listen to any hip hop thats newer than... um jayzs the black album, but personally i think that the incorporation of the synthesizer has killed hip hop, since it used to be so expensive, it made pop music sound shitty, since studios had them and costed a lot, but then after about 10 years or so people figured them out, and synth music has gotten better, but now hip hop is going through the same phase of adopting new technology it seems, or i hope, im being very optimistic here, since now everyone wants to use fl studio to make beats and the sampler, the instrument of real hip hop, imho, has fallen by the wayside to the simple, dumbed down sample player in fl, idk just my thoughts, plus now hip hop is mainstream, so that will bring it all the negative aspects that the mainstreaming of any genre will produce, like grunge, electro, who knows but unfortunately the easiest way to ruin a genre of music is to make it to the mainstream since then everyone thinks they can do it and tries and, so many fail that the good is really hard to pick out
 
These threads inevitably end in 95% of posters showing they have no idea what they're talking about and using Soulja Boy and Lil Wayne as gross misrepresentations of an enormous and diverse genre. Simply put: there's literally something out there for everybody, and if you don't like what you're listening to, turn it off and put something else on. OMG I totally figured it out, now can this thread stop being made once a week?
 
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