Why are Hip Hop and R&B grouped together?

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Pretty much everywhere i go, i see this. Only really thought about it now... Why? They don't have that much in common in terms of attitude and instrumentally they are different enough to be separate. Maybe i'm missing something here.
 
Both are African-American genres and both are widely popular while having great cultural importance.
 
Prior to the nineties they were more distinct, but over the past 20 years+ the elements have been fused together closely. Mary J and groups like TLC were a big part of the process
 
Race Music.

Urban Music.

Black Music.


Black music has been grouped together since the beginning of music genre classifications....



But more recently, New Jack Swing was to blame. Artists like Jodeci and Mary J Blige blurred the lines between R&B and Hip Hop.
 
Chart Evolution according to Billboard (who devised the names used)

[table=class:grid]
[tr][td]Year[/td][td]Chart Name[/td][td]Reason[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]1948[/td][td]Rhythm and Blues Sales and
Rhythm and Blues Jukebox plays[/td][td]2 charts introduced[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]1955[/td][td]Rhythm and Blues Disc Jockeys Plays[/td][td]Added a 3rd chart[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]1958[/td][td]Rhythm and Blues Chart[/td][td]Combined into a single chart[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]1963[/td][td]No Chart[/td][td]Retired the chart as there was so much crossover
to the mainstream charts[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]1965[/td][td]Hot Rhythm and Blues Singles[/td][td]Revived[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]1969[/td][td]Best Selling Soul Singles[/td][td]Changed name to[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]1982[/td][td]Best Selling Black Singles[/td][td]Changed name to[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]1990[/td][td]Best Selling Rhythm and Blues[/td][td]Changed name to[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]1999[/td][td]Hot R&B/Hip-Hop Singles & Tracks[/td][td]Changed name to[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]2005[/td][td]Hot R&B/Hip-Hop Songs[/td][td]Revised name to[/td][/tr]
[/table]
 
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they're genre's are blended a lot... every rapper does an rnb song in one form of another..
 
SwagProductionz said:
they're genre's are blended a lot... every rapper does an rnb song in one form of another..
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they been grouping RnB and Rap together since day one
every record store I went to since 1992 was grouping them together

-Coach Antonio
 
Because you have a lot of R&B singers hopping on Hip-Hop/Trap Beats and a lot of Rappers getting on R&B joints...it's hard to tell the difference sometimes. makes sense to me.
 
bandcoach said:
Chart Evolution according to Billboard (who devised the names used)

[TABLE="class: grid"]
[TR]
[TD]Year[/TD]
[TD]Chart Name[/TD]
[TD]Reason[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]1948[/TD]
[TD]Rhythm and Blues Sales and
Rhythm and Blues Jukebox plays[/TD]
[TD]2 charts introduced[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]1955[/TD]
[TD]Rhythm and Blues Disc Jockeys Plays[/TD]
[TD]Added a 3rd chart[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]1958[/TD]
[TD]Rhythm and Blues Chart[/TD]
[TD]Combined into a single chart[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]1963[/TD]
[TD]No Chart[/TD]
[TD]Retired the chart as there was so much crossover
to the mainstream charts[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]1965[/TD]
[TD]Hot Rhythm and Blues Singles[/TD]
[TD]Revived[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]1969[/TD]
[TD]Best Selling Soul Singles[/TD]
[TD]Changed name to[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]1982[/TD]
[TD]Best Selling Black Singles[/TD]
[TD]Changed name to[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]1990[/TD]
[TD]Best Selling Rhythm and Blues[/TD]
[TD]Changed name to[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]1999[/TD]
[TD]Hot R&B/Hip-Hop Singles & Tracks[/TD]
[TD]Changed name to[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]2005[/TD]
[TD]Hot R&B/Hip-Hop Songs[/TD]
[TD]Revised name to[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
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By that progression it looks like Hip Hop & R&b are about to morph into something else.
 
Blurred cultural lines and cultural rules hav faded.
Now de culture getting generalized and stuffed in a box wid a wrong label.
Most successful rap artist are already being called pop artist. Black culture music hav came far enuff where our labels for our practices and traditions shud b respected.
Look like we either got a long way to go as a culture or we hav a long way to com back to the roots of the culture. That's where it shud start IMO.
 
Olie said:
By that progression it looks like Hip Hop & R&b are about to morph into something else.
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what I omitted from that list is that the chart manager generally sets the name of the chart or the decision comes from a meeting of all chart managers that a change in name is required to reflect recent trends or a new chart needs to be added
 
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New jack swing music helped to fuse them together. before that the two styles didn't like to associate with each other.
 
It's really about grouping anything black with R&B. Little Richard was once labeled R&B so he wouldn't be grouped up with white folks
 
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