again thank you for the responces....you see oddie its kinda hard to remember before i stopped....my head was...uh....lets just say really unclear ,quite a bit altered if you will. i stepped out of the whole scene to get ....uh... levelheaded, so you see its like i am starting over, i had never spun with a clear mind and my hands are out of practise so please try and feel me and get me out of this rut i can use all the help i can get. thanx guys!!