Shook Ones Pt.2 ......seriously...

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has anyone found out where the sample came from....its not Ron grainer's- thackery meets faculty...im told that havok himself says thats not the sample...and i spent forever and a day chopping and attempting to reconstruct the beat from that sample....and thats NOT it...the sound in the beat is more like an organ or a piano....the grainer sample is more like a string/finger instrument....something like a finger piano type vibe.... and i tried filtering and the likes...theres too much background interference from the other instruments to chop it as cleanly as the shook ones joint......

anyone have a clue yet?
 
honestly, i don't think that sample is much of a dig. try speeding up an instrumental of Shook Ones Pt. 2. it sounds like a 4 note sample being played at 2 different pitches. that finger piano idea might be right, but i still think it's a guitar with effects on it, like it's from a blues record.

but i think people who look for that sample have probably skipped over it cuz they didn't pitch the original record down and it's just 4 notes.
 
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word...i even recreated the melody with galt macdermot's "space"...(woo-hah)..by just sampling an organ note...so i figured it could have also just been a pitched note....

-shrugs-
 
the only thing stopping me from saying it was DEFINITELY slowed down and played at 2 different pitches is i don't know the original sample. but if you listen closely at the end of the record where they're mumbling and tapping glasses; you can hear the same melody being played at 2 different pitches.


i wouldn't be surprised if it was "Space", cuz it sounds like it could've been a loop of Havoc replaying a chopped sample. it definitely sounds like it's been degraded from sampling, maybe sampled more than once.
 
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i dont even think havoc put that much work into the progression...

i wouldnt give him that much credit.....
 
according to this great site www.the-breaks.com shook ones pt.2 contains these sample's :


Jones, Quincy (Warner Bros 1972)
"Kitty with the Bent Frame"


Wilson, Daly Big Band
The Exciting: (Festival 1979)
"Dirty Feet"


Grainer, Ron
To Sir with Love soundtrack: (? 1966)
"Thackeray Meets Faculty, Then Alone"
 
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yea i know where they SAY the samples come from...

but its an argued thing as to the ron grainer sample being true....its common knowledge that its ASSUMED to be the sample...but its also heavily debated....havok himself says thats not the sample....
 
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Who da hell cares where it came from. It's dope as hell. Now all you have to do is find your own sample to tweak and make a classic beat from it. Who really cares where it came from...
 
This has probably already been brought up before but what gear does Prodigy use? His drums sound super dope...
 
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Who really cares where it came from...
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what do you mean who cares? what kinda **** is that....you obviously arent a producer or dont follow the history of your music....

who cares....tsss.thats some trite ****...

and if im correct havok uses an EPS-16
 
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The guy who puts out the "Dusty Fingers" comps posts over at the-breaks as Dusty-Kid, he cleared this whole thing up in a post:

Hi Guys,

We were the Ones Who Found out what the Shook Ones PT 2 Sample Was. That Song is on our Queensbridge Collection we put out. NOBODY EVER KNEW WHAT THIS SAMPLE WAS. Just so happens that we usually find out the Impossible samples (thats what makes this so fun for us)!!!

This is how we found out what the Shook Ones PT 2 sample was. A few years back, Trackmasters did a Mariah Carey Song/remix using the Guitar Sample from Shook Ones PT2. They had the Original Shook Ones 24 track Reel and production sheet in the Office up at Trackmasters (which was in the NY Sony Building at the time). Being that I'm friends with Trackmasters they let me look at the Production Notes. Sure Nuff, if your going to use any Samples for someone such as Mariah Carey everything must be in order. So therefore all the info was in the Production Notes on where the sample was tooken from. So I made Note of it and wallah. It took me a while to Find the Original Record, but I got it and it was it.

Well anyway they ended up Replaying the Shook Ones Guitar Loop for Mariah and the song didn't go anywhere.

As a Note on how it was chopped... When I heard the Original Shook Ones PT2 Reel with the Loop by itself, (This is gonna be hard to explain in writing) It was one riff used for the loop (First 4 strings) at one Pitch and then the same riff again (last 2 strings) Down pitched. On the Reel with the Solo Guitar Track I could hear the Pops on the Vinyl and then when it down pitched they were in the same spot again but slower.

Even Lord Finesse told me Havoc was in shock when he heard it on the Queensbridge Collection.

So for the record RON GRAINER'S "THACKERAY MEETS FACULTY" is the Shook Ones PT 2 Guitar Loop.

So I hope that puts an end to all those in doubt.
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here's the link


honestly, i don't think that sample is much of a dig.
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Mr. Shush, you must be kidding, because fools have been killing themselves looking for this sample for years now. It's not some easy ass sample that you can just hear in a track and know where it's from.
 
here's the thing, even Liquid has heard the Thackeray track before, and wasn't convinced that it was the sample. and it turns out that it was.........


......does it set anyone's mind at ease? does anyone feel like they've found the Holy Grail of samples? i doubt it.



and am i the only one that's actually seen the movie TO SIR, WITH LOVE? that flick is a classic! people've been hearing that sample for years. it really isn't that big of a deal. now that you know what it is, you could chop it, remake it, and still need to come up with something of your own, so why bother. i can appreciate curiosity and all that, but that sample really isn't all that special. it's not like that guitar is the sound of the future, and it's not like it'll make or break a hit record.


there's waaaaaay better digs out there.
 
Mr. Shush said:
here's the thing, even Liquid has heard the Thackeray track before, and wasn't convinced that it was the sample. and it turns out that it was.........


......does it set anyone's mind at ease? does anyone feel like they've found the Holy Grail of samples? i doubt it.



and am i the only one that's actually seen the movie TO SIR, WITH LOVE? that flick is a classic! people've been hearing that sample for years. it really isn't that big of a deal. now that you know what it is, you could chop it, remake it, and still need to come up with something of your own, so why bother. i can appreciate curiosity and all that, but that sample really isn't all that special. it's not like that guitar is the sound of the future, and it's not like it'll make or break a hit record.


there's waaaaaay better digs out there.
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Haha, dude, you're not trying to tell me that you've known about this sample for years. That's just some bullsh!t right there.

The whole reason why people were obsessed with finding that sample is because: a) the beat is sick, so people generally want to know how he did it, and b) these days there isn't a whole lot of samples that you can use that will fool people. Break heads couldn't figure this one out for years, and it just became a major arguement about where it came from.
 
it's dope to finally find out where that sample came from. Thanks for the info.

Peace
 
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welp...after messing with the sample and re-creating the shook ones melody with it....im convinced....its NOT the sample. after filtering and chopping i came to the conclusion that you cannot filter out the melody beyond the strings and flutes enough to make it audible...and something that was brought to my attention was that at the time Havok was learning how to use the EPS..he didnt know how to chop, or filter..as Qtip was still teaching him how to use the machine...if you follow at that time havok was NOT chopping at that time why would anyone who discovered chopping at that time not use it again for years...it doesnt make sense....i called my boy jigsaw who's last joint was the Hated beat on Goretex's single....hes been in the game for a long time...and he informed me with that thought and also told me that Dusty Fingers later acknowledged and apologized for being WRONG on that sample......as it stands....Ron Grainer's "thackeray meets faculty" is NOT the shook ones part 2 sample....its still unknown.....
 
you are kind of a moron!
who ever said there was a melody behind the sample? check the strings at the beginning (00:00 - 00:15)!
i ****ed around with them a lil' bit, pitched 'em down and i figured that 2 strings were EXACTLY the one used in shook ones. i was doubting this **** forever and i always used to say that thackeray isnt't the original, but IT IS! you just don't know how to chop it exactly, but i don't know it either, and the ones that know just give some hints that aren't easy to figure out what they meant.
but don't be like the original is STILL UNKNOWN because it IS the original, someone of the few people who know how to chop it should give us a thorough tutorial how to do it!
if you said that about the sample still being unknown to provoke someone and make someone tell us how to do it, then it's cool and i apologize for callin you a moron!

simon
 
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I have been arguing and arguing with niggas on the-breaks for the longest about how IT IS NOT THE THACKERAY JOINT!!...liquid im with you and i think ive seen you on there arguin about this too :)

Heres the deal why

If you speed up shook ones part 2 youll notice that you can clearly hear a PAINO loop...NOT a guitar loop like in the thackeray joint..im am still on the hunt for this sample and like i told the people on the-breaks i will be the first to find it
 
DAMN MAN you're totally right! it's true, it's a piano sample just like survival of the fittest

but still weird, two guitar strings of thackeray sound exactly like shook ones if pitched down, i'm still not 100% sure

i apologize to liquid though

BTW is the survival of the fittest sample known

if you speed that one up, it's a piano too but no one is talkin about the original, i guess it's unknown

simon
 
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