Sampling is too easy- composing=more talent?

  • Thread starter Thread starter MystikCEO
  • Start date Start date
M

MystikCEO

New member
I'd like to open a thread to discuss with my fellow FP members, the simple task of sampling...

Most of the producers I know will agree with me, I was just wondering what the rest of you are thinking...

Sampling seems to be very easy to do, even if you chop it up like crazy. In my opinion it's more simple than composing entire melodies, from scratch.

What do you guys think? Does it take less talent to sample?
 
Sampling isnt as easy as most people think true anyone can sample but how many can make something really hot or turn it into a hit
 
Sampling is hard as ****! making those chops fit right is for some reason a hard task for me, but composing my own beats is easy. so it depends on the the person.
 
I definitely think it takes less talent to sample rather than compose melodies from scratch; but I'm not about to completely invalidate the art of sampling by saying it takes no talent. The way I see it-- sampling is almost like composing music for a percussion section rather than an orchestra; it still requires a lot of skill, not to mention familiarity with the ins and outs of the DAW/hardware.
 
its easier to make overall better sounding beats when you sample.......but if your talking about looping compared to composing then yes composition takes more talent

now there are gonna be alot of dudes on here that will flame and say sampling is hard and ****......its not hard doggies it takes me about 4/5 flips to make a banger compared to 1/5 for a composition
 
IAMSOSA said:
Sampling isnt as easy as most people think true anyone can sample but how many can make something really hot or turn it into a hit
Click to expand...

For sure, I feel that! But the fact of the matter is, it's still a pre-made melody that you're putting a twist on. Do you think that composing melodies is harder than sampling?
 
Gallant. said:
I definitely think it takes less talent to sample rather than compose melodies from scratch; but I'm not about to completely invalidate the art of sampling by saying it takes no talent. The way I see it-- sampling is almost like composing music for a percussion section rather than an orchestra; it still requires a lot of skill, not to mention familiarity with the ins and outs of the DAW/hardware.
Click to expand...

I feel you Gallant. Of course. It takes talent to make music in general, even sampling. I mean unless you're one of these clowns who takes a sample and adds maybe ONE snare and ONE kick, calling it a new beat.

But nah I feel that. I think it takes mad talent to make sick beats in general. But more talent than composing? No. I don't think so.
 
it takes less ENERGY and CREATIVITY to sample, talent is a whole 'nother subject! Composing is Creative-Sampling is ReCreative. a good beat in either is difficult (to a degree) but fun in different ways.
 
Last edited:
I think it takes more talent and creativity to make a hot beat than it does to make garbage. How one does it, composition or sampling, doesn't really matter.

I like to make both kinds of beats, and many of both kinds turn out good, and some not as good.

It doesn't matter how one does it, what matters is if it is good or not.

It takes talent and creativity to make good beats, and however one makes the beats doesn't really matter.
 
Last edited:
Depends on how you sample. If you just loop something it's nothing crazy but if you get nasty with the chops and truly make something fresh then it's another story. It can take a long time to really get the chops on point. It all depends on experience though too. If you have a thorough knowledge of how to play, your composition will be a lot easier then somebody who doesn't know chords.
 
Trusty said:
I think it takes more talent and creativity to make a hot beat than it does to make garbage. How one does it, composition or sampling, doesn't really matter.

I like to make both kinds of beats, and many of both kinds turn out good, and some not as good.

It doesn't matter how one does it, what matters is if it is good or not.

It takes talent and creativity to make good beats, and however one makes the beats doesn't really matter.
Click to expand...


Pretty Much.
 
Last edited by a moderator:
Ace*tT said:
it takes less ENERGY and CREATIVITY to sample, talent is a whole 'nother subject! Composing is Creative-Sampling is ReCreative. a good beat in either is difficult (to a degree) but fun in different ways.
Click to expand...

Agreed!! great way to put it dude. you gotta have the ear!!

but the fact is, anybody with an ear can sample..
u cant just compose beats without more knowledge i think
 
Trusty said:
It takes talent and creativity to make good beats, and however one makes the beats doesn't really matter.
Click to expand...


Absolutely! But how long does it take you to make a sampled beat? How much work is it? Compared to a composed beat?
 
I gotta also make the distiction between Creative energy and recreative energy. 2 totally different tasks with 2 totally different mindsets.
 
This has been discussed many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many times before. It ALL comes down to preference, neither takes more skill and you're at an advantage for both if you already have musical experience.




As an added bonus I typed all those many's, no c&p. lol
 
MystikCEO said:
Absolutely! But how long does it take you to make a sampled beat? How much work is it? Compared to a composed beat?
Click to expand...

I think it takes about the same amount of time either way.

Then again, some people have it in their head that a "sample beat" is adding drums and bassline to a couple bars they lifted from a song on vinyl and eq'd a little bit. That isn't always the case, though sometimes it is, but other times, sampled music is just data for instruments like Alchemy, Reaktor ensembles, or whatever else to mess about and make something else entirely from the samples.

Of course, in the end, beats, sampled or composed, take as long as they take to finish, and sometimes they crank out in no time, other times they take a little while.
 
Apples and Oranges.

For one, I think people either gravitate toward listening to sample-based or composition based music. I'm more of a sample-based guy myself. If you really want to get into it, its easy to take a Al Green loop and go to town, but its hard to going into an un-airconditioned record shop and try to find that obscure treasure that no one else has used. Then, once you find a good group of samples, there's the creative chopping, adding bass, tuning all the elements, EQ'ing/filtering. Even if the sample source may be obvious, then the entertainment may lie in how creative the samples were manipulated or disguised. As someone who goes through that, those are the things that I listen for in enjoying sample-based music and kind of skip the easy/lazy sample based stuff. Just like a composition-based guy might skip over a song with a lazy 3-4 note phat synth as the main composition.
 
Sampling is easy, but it just because you sample doesn't automatically mean that the beat is hot. <- THAT'S THE HARD PART.

I wanna see y'all bastards who say it is easy try to redo a Dilla or Pete Rock beat. . .NO. . matter of fact, Try to re-do "The Light" by Common. That song has two different samples in it from two completely different songs.
 
Ive done both and in my opinion sampling is harder. But it all depends on your background and talent level in general

And somebody mentioned is it harder to sample a melody or make one?

Well I ask you is it easier to make a melody from scratch or to create an entirely new melody from a different one? See how one sided a question can be depending on how you ask it.


Either way you put it there's lazy producers on both sides. Some say your lazy if you loop but at the same time if a melody is hot with 4 notes does that disqualify it?


Many composers are classically trained and could arguably say that creating melodies is easier for them. So does that automatically mean it took less talent? No.....


I like to look at like this. If you Compose its like painting a picture with a wide variety of colors available to you. Sampling is like using only 3-5 colors and making yourself create the other colors from these 5 or not using other colors at all....... The composer will say oh he's being lazy for using only 5 colors and the Sampler will say he's challenging himself by limiting himself to only 5 colors and still creating something


At the end of the day it doesnt matter if you make hip hop beats. The end goal is make a beat that a rapper can straight spazz on and that will connect to the listener on an emotional level. Both styles can accomplish this
 
donating tracks?

Anyone wanting to donate tracks for me to write lyrics to? We can collaborate? Or know of anyone looking for a singer to be featured on their tracks?:sing:


Check me out:

myspace.com/ashleytiarasings
 
Last edited:
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top