Monitoring input with Audition 1.5

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Sup everyone,

I record in adobe audition 1.5 (yea i know i gotta upgrade soon lol) but I was wondering if you can monitor the input (ie the mic).

Any help would be appreciated!

Peace

Krazy
 
F10...
Options/Monitor Record Levels
 
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Thanks for the help Griffin Avid, but im sorry i worded the question wrong. I meant monitor the audio in, as in acually hearing the audio input on the output. The artist I am working with wants to be able to hear himself and the beat at the same time, but I don't know how to do that. Thanks again!

Krazy
 
Two thoughts come to mind.
A) The soundcard has to support a Duplex Mode (every modern card does) and that lets you play back audio and record simultaneously so you don't record both the MC and the track on the inputs.

B) Audio Interface and/or Mixer. In Audition you have an Audio Setting for every individual track. Your set up will list all the available inputs and outputs on your soundcard and even which soundcard you intend to use (assuming you have more than one)

Options/Device Order and Options/Device Properties. Learn these two settings you'll need to come here often...make sure all your options are selectable (moved to the left)

On the Individual track in Multi-track view pick the place his headphones are plugged into to send the mix. Pick the mic input as the source for the track to record from.

I personally like to use a separate mixer for the artist (cheap little budget mixer for monitoring purposes only) so THEY can raise the music and lower their own vocal volume at will. I'd send an AUX out to the mixer or even the headphone mix. When artists are trying to nail a perfect take, they tend to get frustrated and suddenly no level is right.
 
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Griffin Avid said:
Two thoughts come to mind.
A) The soundcard has to support a Duplex Mode (every modern card does) and that lets you play back audio and record simultaneously so you don't record both the MC and the track on the inputs.

B) Audio Interface and/or Mixer. In Audition you have an Audio Setting for every individual track. Your set up will list all the available inputs and outputs on your soundcard and even which soundcard you intend to use (assuming you have more than one)

Options/Device Order and Options/Device Properties. Learn these two settings you'll need to come here often...make sure all your options are selectable (moved to the left)

On the Individual track in Multi-track view pick the place his headphones are plugged into to send the mix. Pick the mic input as the source for the track to record from.

I personally like to use a separate mixer for the artist (cheap little budget mixer for monitoring purposes only) so THEY can raise the music and lower their own vocal volume at will. I'd send an AUX out to the mixer or even the headphone mix. When artists are trying to nail a perfect take, they tend to get frustrated and suddenly no level is right.
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Thanks again Griffin!

A.) I believe my soundcard has duplex audio. It is a realtek AC'97 card.
B.) I have a behringer Xenyx 802 mixer I use for recording, and I only have one soundcard. Do I need more than one, or is it necessary to have more than one?

I have set up the multitracks so that the mic's output is sent to my audiocard, but I still don't seem to have any luck there :cry: ...is there any software that has a built in function that does this? The MC is willing to buy protools if it helps in this regard, but I'm trying to learn Audition...

I appreciate your help Griffin...Peace
 
Anybody know how 2 do dis with vegas 7? Well I know how 2 do it but the latency on it is ****ty.
 
A.) I believe my soundcard has duplex audio. It is a realtek AC'97 card.

Looks like that's the On-Board soundcard that came with your computer. It has very small ports in the back 'stereo jacks for audio'. Not very good for music production. I suggest you get an actual Audio Interface maybe something USB powered with 1/4 ins and outs and a Mic Pre (big black plug with three holes).

Until then...
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The Mixer is all you need for now. You should have Audio INS and Outs on that soundcard's back. You plug the OUTS from your Realtek soundcard into the MIXER Tape RTN (Tape Return) or AUX RTNS (Auxillary INs) or Monitor IN. I couldn't see the surface of that mixer in any picture so I can't tell what the ports are called. The concept is to bring audio INTO the mixer for listening purposes only. Every mixer does this.

The MIC goes into its normal slot and an Audio OUT goes into the RealTeks INS to record the signal coming from the mixer (the rapper's voice).

Troubleshooting consists of you doing one thing correctly at a time.
You plug the headphones into the mixer and press play in AA and make sure you can hear the music. Keep checking connections until that works! You plug the mic into the mixer and record yourself in AA. See that you recorded ONLY your voice and not your voice AND the music.
Check/change the ports and see where AA is entering the mixer.

There are settings to control what the MIXER sends out and monitors.
Sometimes called CNTRL RM (Control Room) you might have to check all of these until you find the right combination to make this all work.

Usually you can choose to have the headphones monitor the AUX returns or and Main out so he hears himself and the music. The Tape OUT or Tape REC is usually what you want to send OUT to the REALtek INS. MAIN OUTS usually goes to the speakers.

The bad news is that you'll have to use a bunch of adapters (Realtek stereo? to RCA etc) to run your audio into a budget soundcard. Again, a better idea is to get a solid Audio Interface to use these same concepts but with more options/flexibilty at a big jump in quality.

For now this will get you going until you can upgrade.
Pro Tools? Well, it's YOUR studio. You should be able to record properly no matter what. Use the sequencer that you like. Any DAW can be used to make a hot beat/record. Choose yours visually- you'll be staring at it for hours on end. If you're rocking AA then you're probably working with Audio files..chopping samples and such. Consider AA 3.0 since it hosts VSTis and supports modern Audio Interfaces (some new boxes don't like the old AA 1.5).

An MC having the means to record himself is VERY important. Also, you don't want him in your studio 'working the kinks out'. So your studio (obviously) needs to be better than his. Meaning better quality and/or a better workflow becasue all he has to do is focus on his verses/performance while YOU run the session and deal with all the technical niggles. So yes, he should get something to record himself on. I doubt you're charging him for time in your studio at this point so your time is more valuable than ever.

Good Luck with this.
 
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Good info Griff now I have almost the same kinda mixer (ub802) am I able to do this same thing with my mixer? When doing this how's the latency? Is it on point?
 
Yes. If you think about it, this is what Mixers are for. They exist to route signals To and From with user control.

Latency is about the relationship between your ~CPU (speed of your computer) and the way in which your soundcard processes audio (usually linked to drivers). Settings in the software running on this hardware need to be optimized for YOUR SYSTEM to get the best results or balance between Speed (instant action) and Quality (pops, crackles and drop outs).

Somewhere in those audio settings are choices for Audio Drivers, Buffers and Ram and maybe even hard drive space alotted for temporary storage. I'm not familiar with Vegas, but as a general rule you want to separate the C: drive running the sequencer from the hard drive storing all your sounds and save place for the sessions.

External drives are great for storage, but not always the best choice for fast-streaming multiple audio files.


Troubleshooting consists of trying different settings and seeing how your system performs. Remeber to do one thing at a time and check. You may fix it with one setting and ruin it with the next and not see a big difference in your performance tweaks. You might find resources for Vegas specifically on their website help/faq/knowlegebase and I'm sure there's a forum/community for Vegas users.
 
Ok thanx! Ill try this out and see wat happens hopefully I won't have any latency problems cuz everything always seems 2 go wrong with my cpu lol
 
Griffin Avid said:
A.) I believe my soundcard has duplex audio. It is a realtek AC'97 card.

Looks like that's the On-Board soundcard that came with your computer. It has very small ports in the back 'stereo jacks for audio'. Not very good for music production. I suggest you get an actual Audio Interface maybe something USB powered with 1/4 ins and outs and a Mic Pre (big black plug with three holes).

The Mixer is all you need for now. You should have Audio INS and Outs on that soundcard's back. You plug the OUTS from your Realtek soundcard into the MIXER Tape RTN (Tape Return) or AUX RTNS (Auxillary INs) or Monitor IN. I couldn't see the surface of that mixer in any picture so I can't tell what the ports are called. The concept is to bring audio INTO the mixer for listening purposes only. Every mixer does this.

The MIC goes into its normal slot and an Audio OUT goes into the RealTeks INS to record the signal coming from the mixer (the rapper's voice).

Troubleshooting consists of you doing one thing correctly at a time.
You plug the headphones into the mixer and press play in AA and make sure you can hear the music. Keep checking connections until that works! You plug the mic into the mixer and record yourself in AA. See that you recorded ONLY your voice and not your voice AND the music.
Check/change the ports and see where AA is entering the mixer.

There are settings to control what the MIXER sends out and monitors.
Sometimes called CNTRL RM (Control Room) you might have to check all of these until you find the right combination to make this all work.

Usually you can choose to have the headphones monitor the AUX returns or and Main out so he hears himself and the music. The Tape OUT or Tape REC is usually what you want to send OUT to the REALtek INS. MAIN OUTS usually goes to the speakers.

The bad news is that you'll have to use a bunch of adapters (Realtek stereo? to RCA etc) to run your audio into a budget soundcard. Again, a better idea is to get a solid Audio Interface to use these same concepts but with more options/flexibilty at a big jump in quality.

For now this will get you going until you can upgrade.
Pro Tools? Well, it's YOUR studio. You should be able to record properly no matter what. Use the sequencer that you like. Any DAW can be used to make a hot beat/record. Choose yours visually- you'll be staring at it for hours on end. If you're rocking AA then you're probably working with Audio files..chopping samples and such. Consider AA 3.0 since it hosts VSTis and supports modern Audio Interfaces (some new boxes don't like the old AA 1.5).

An MC having the means to record himself is VERY important. Also, you don't want him in your studio 'working the kinks out'. So your studio (obviously) needs to be better than his. Meaning better quality and/or a better workflow becasue all he has to do is focus on his verses/performance while YOU run the session and deal with all the technical niggles. So yes, he should get something to record himself on. I doubt you're charging him for time in your studio at this point so your time is more valuable than ever.

Good Luck with this.
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Thanks again Griffin. The only reason I'm letting the artist use protools is because he is paying for it and I already have experience in it. Also, he is getting an interface, which should help with some of the points you mentioned earlier. And the only reason I mentioned Pro Tools in the thread is because I believe it has a built in audio input monitor with the audio interfaces that you need to use it. The artist has nothing to work for, so in turn for paying for studio time, he is paying for the stuff in my studio that I want.

I'll be sure to look into different approaches through troubleshooting though...Thanks again Griffin!

Peace
 
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