Is it possible to get rid of pumping in the mastering stage?

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Let's say, I have a file that is already mixed (not by me). When you bring up the volume (not really really loud though), it starts pumping. My question is, is it possible to get rid of it? When I don't have the individual tracks, only the mixdown?
Thanks.
 
Anything you do other that making EQ cuts is probably gonna make it worse. I'd just tell that to whoever gave it to you.
 
Yeah... this sounds unfixable.

You need those raw tracks and you need em to be not-hot.
 
Simply raising the volume wouldn't cause pumping without a compressor somewhere, which you didn't really mention. Not all compressors are born equal, and they all have a range of settings that give a range of sounds (for example a mastering limiter set to auto-release will sound completely different to one set to a fixed release.) Some high end compressors / limiters can compress more with less noticeable pumping. You can't change the mix of the track... but mastering can never change the mix of a track.

Anyway, a multi-band compressor may fair better. A single band compressor on a master bus is going to have fairly macroscopic effects.

Also, compressors in serial with the right settings can achieve more transparent results.

Separate mid-side compression can also have good effects on the presence of a track without altering peak levels.

These things require experience I think. I have no idea what level of experience you have with compression, so enter at your own risk.

NOTE: if the source material you are messing around with is less than 24-bit then compression is going to introduce quantization distortion which you might or might not want. If its pumping it may well simply be that the bass thunk is too loud. You might find a roll off of the bass to be enough to reduce pumping while keeping the dynamics you want. Try different things and A/B them. Get some reference material to compare to as a sanity check.
 
Simple answer...NO.

It is possible to clean it up some, even enough to make remarkable differences in the final product, but if you can get hold of a better mix, that would be the best option. Only so much can be done to a stereo mix.
 
Let's say, I have a file that is already mixed (not by me).
When you bring up the volume (not really really loud though), it starts pumping.

What have you added at this "mastering" stage? Limiters/compressors/maximisers/???????

review the settings of any and all of these first. In fact remove them and see if the problem still exists......

My question is, is it possible to get rid of it? When I don't have the individual tracks, only the mixdown?
Thanks.
 
What have you added at this "mastering" stage? Limiters/compressors/maximisers/???????

review the settings of any and all of these first. In fact remove them and see if the problem still exists......

Nothing. In fact, it is pumping even if I play it in any media player (untouched).
When I turn up the volume in the DAW (or media player), it starts clipping (turn it up to maximum, every song that I've heard does that at certain point lol). When I leave the DAW/media player volume at default, and turn up the system volume, it starts pumping.
Tried this on two different PCs, on the one with worse sound card the result was even worse.
But, when I put it into my mp3 player, I can turn up the volume to maximum and no pumping or clipping occurs (and overall volume is the same as it is when I turn up the PC volume, I can tell that by ear).
 
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intriguing - could well be an mp3 artefact that is exacerbated when converted to your daws' native audio format......

I'd be asking for a new mix or at least the stems and project file to see what you can do to fix it yourself at this stage.....
 
Nothing. In fact, it is pumping even if I play it in any media player (untouched).

Ah right, well you're screwed then. I suppose in some hypothetical case you could use automation to expand the dynamics out again... if you knew the characteristics of the compression that was applied (probably a side chain or wideband compression in the master chain). But that would be madness.
 
Thank you for all replies.
I'll probably ask him if he still has got the project files... But I doubt it because these are some rather old (2010) songs.
Thanks again.
 
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