Hz, Hz Roll-off Etc...

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Does anyone know of a good resource for learning about this stuff? I hear people talk about "20 Hz roll off" and i don't really know what instruments should be in what Hz range and that sort of thing. I hope this makes some kind of sense. Thanks in advance.
 
also, how do i apply this and should i be adjusting the frequency ranges of all my individual tracks when mixing?
 
The best resource would be trial and error! It's the only way to learn. I am still learning, but I've gotten to this point by screwing up and learning why.

To get you started, some pointers:

• The only sound that should ever really be in the 20HZ range is sub-bass. Subs stop around 50HZ. If you don't have a sub woofer and you're not making hip hop, you may want to just get rid of all of the very low frequencies. They'll only cause trouble in the end - they'll eat up headroom (meaning how loud your mix can get at the end) without being heard on smaller speakers.

• 80 - 100HZ is your bottom end. The only instruments that should ever occupy this space are kick and bass (of course there will always be exceptions - consider this just a rule of thumb). You'll find if you roll off everything below say 100 - 150 - 200 HZ on all your other instruments, this'll cut out a lot of mud and open up space for your kick and bass. I find that by the time I'm done mixing, I'll have a high-pass filter on almost everything but the kick and bass.

•  In keeping with the above - your ear can stand lots of high-frequency sounds bunching together, but lots of low frequency sounds bunching together just sounds like mud.

•  A good eq setting for a kick drum is this: roll off below 80HZ, boost 80, cut @ 350HZ.

•  A good eq setting for a snare is this: roll off below 150HZ, cut @ 500 HZ.

•  1 - 2 KHZ is irritating. If you have a sound that is hurting your ears, try cutting these frequencies.

• In keeping with the above. If you have a sound that you ears tell you is having a problem (mud or mid-range "nasal" or high frequency "piercing") do the old trick: grab an eq point, turn up the Q (bandwidth) real high so your isolating a very specific frequency range, bring up the gain real high (make sure your monitors are turned down) and "sweep" back and forth through the spectrum. The problem area will immediately become apparent. Take that problem area you've honed in on and cut it out. Something that was muddy will sound clear, something piercing will sound smooth.

• A lot of the time you'll find you want to really leave your bass alone. Just program a good, fat bass, and leave it as a "bed" upong which all the other sounds ride.

•  You can cut hats, cymbals, rides below 150HZ.

• They are expensive, but working with a purely graphical EQ such as the Waves renaissance will really help you. Instead of EQ being this mysterious set of obscure knobs, you'll be able to "see" the entire frequency range which will help you build a mental picture of your EQ.

Those are some things to start you off. But always keep in mind to do what your ears tell you, and not something you read. Don't get hung up on the numbers (20HZ, 2KHZ). Sometimes just closing your eyes and rolling your eq around will work wonders.

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Tonepoem
 
good post.

I would add:

snare: cut a bit around 500-800, boost around 250 (depends, ifyou have lots of mud, then try to Not boost around this area, but it gives the snare a warm analog phat sound).

hat: high pass at 500 hz

kick; boost around 80-90 and boost around 110-120, cut around 250-400.

bass: bost 60-80, cut 80-120, boost a bit around 130-150, boost around 400/800

piano: cut off at 230 hz. boost at 5000 hz
 
Tditty said:
Does anyone know of a good resource for learning about this stuff? I hear people talk about "20 Hz roll off" and i don't really know what instruments should be in what Hz range and that sort of thing. I hope this makes some kind of sense. Thanks in advance.

Some good replies here, you should also bear in mind to 'judge the sounds within the context of the mix'.

It's not really necessary to know what instruments sit where in a mix to great depth, common sense tells you that. But it does help, when you add an eq to a sound, as you 'know' where to 'look' in the frequency range.

A good way to learn more about how to eq sounds, is simply through practical use of it. If you have a bass sound for instance that is too heavy, attatch an eq to it and increase the gain. ( use a medium/smallish Q width ) and 'sweep' the frequency range, you will soon know when you have hit the spot, as the sound will be overpowering ( watch you speakers )
You can then get into more depth with the eq by, narrowing the Q width ( the area covered by the eq ) and cutting ( or boosting, whatever the case may be, DEF; cutting here ).

Basically thats all you should concern yourself with. Mixing is done by your ears, hence the necessity for reference monitors, so you get the true nature of the sound to work with.

You will soon get to know which instruments sit where and your eq will become second nature.

Human hearing is generally accepted to be in the region of 20hz to 20khz, anything above or below that is irrelevant for us.

Although, I def agree with the previous post in regard to rolling off the low end. From at least 40hz, the reason is that, sounds this low contain little or no harmonics, their presence is only sub level, which will cause your music to distort at levels way below commercial cds.

These frequencies are very hard to judge without high end studio farfield monitoring systems and very tricky do get right at home through nearfields.

Prob better to roll them off.

Like you said in your post about hz roll off. To do this with an eq you could first increase the gain, then sweep the frequency to where the right hand part of the curve starts,( say its at 50hz here )Then reduce the gain to as far as it will go. The result would be a gentle 'roll off' of low end frequencies. In Reason the eq has a db line running through the centre of it, showing a value in hz and db levels, so something like that eq curve I just mentally created would mean:

At 50hz the bass level would be at 0db and 20hz frequencies would be around -40db, generally the lower you go in sub harmonics, the lower the db of those frequencies to inaudible levels.
 
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Tonepeom... talk about thorough.
anyway

http://www.dpamicrophones.com/eng_pub/index.html

is a place I learned alot. its about mic specs, but covers yer question in there... another tip is a "spectrum analyzer"- Stienberg's wavelab 4.0 has a good one. they really help to see if you got a big gap somewhere in the frequency spectrum that you might want to fill in. or calm down a messy place where 2 sounds are fighting over the same space, causing phasing or cancelation or other junk that sucks.

Oh, also, it hurt me none to spend a few nights at DPA's Microphone University(the above link). its very thorough and has got all the general (and some not so general I dont quite get yet) mic info you may need to know
all in one place. hope to help. peace.
 
PATH = Microphone University

TO = Microphone Technology Guide

TO = How to read microphone specifications

the link doesn't get you all the way there, sorry. piece.
 
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