Grimey/Dirty Hip-Hop sound

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I'm making beats with a triton classic, I was always making bounce/uptempo beats and only a few slow beats.
I changed my style and for my compilation with local artists, I got a lot more of that mobb deep style. But working with the triton doesn't give that dirty sound. I'm messing around with a lot of plugins.

What do yall suggest me?
 
drop the bit rate to 8/sammple bits of vinyl and mix them in with the drum pattern/download izotope's "vinyl" it practically does the same thing that sampling from real vinyl does/get a sampler like akai s90 and use its lower bit rates to get the old school drum sound... there are other ways but i havent slept in 30 hours. good luck.
 
Yeah that's mainly what I already tried out with different plugins, like bitcrusher or degrade. I got that vinyl plugin too, it's really nice.

THX man.
 
eternalYouth said:
drop the bit rate to 8/sammple bits of vinyl
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Actually, that is not correct. vinyl has no "bit rate" and if it did the bit rate would be very high (or infinite, even) because it is an analog signal... a true waveform.

If anything, I would compare vinyl to a 32k sampling rate... not a lower bit rate

There are several things that give vinyl its sound but a couple of things to keep in mind are that "the practical upper limits of a vinyl record are in the range of 16 to 18 kHz for albums destined for audiophile-quality systems and 8 to 16 kHz for the average reproduction system. The upper limit depends on the physical position of the music on the record itself as well."

Music on vinyl also gets compressed more to keep the needle from jumping out of the groove. It also can't handle as much crazy panning and cant handle things completely out of phase.

So, in order to (try to) emulate the sound of vinyl, the first things I would do are EQ out the frequencies that are beyond the range of vinyl (i.e., cut everything above 16-18kHz) and compress...

...oh, and also lay some vinyl noise over the top of your sample for added realism.
 
i didnt say drop the bit rate of his vinyl!! lmao i was talking about dropping the bit rate for his SAMPLE...
 
honestly if you want authentic grimey beats ive found the best way to achieve this is by getting an old sampler that samples at 12 bits per or at least has the option to, like my akai s90.. got it for 100 bucks on ebay and it does a great job of making beats dirty. just be sure and do your hi hats seperately ... lower sample rates make hi hats sound like ****.
 
eternalYouth said:
i didnt say drop the bit rate of his vinyl!! lmao i was talking about dropping the bit rate for his SAMPLE...
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I know exactly what you were talking about. ROTFLMAO. I said that dropping your bit rate to 8 bits will not make your sample sound like vinyl (if anything, it will make your sample sound like it is coming out of a toy or an old video game).

I was saying that you are much better off sampling at a lower sample rate if you want to sound more like vinyl... NOT a lower bit rate.
 
"I know exactly what you were talking about. ROTFLMAO. I said that dropping your bit rate to 8 bits will not make your sample sound like vinyl "

FLDS:JFSLDFJS:LDFJ:LSAKJFLAKJ!~!!!!!

obviously you didnt understand what i was talking about because nowhere in my reply did i say that dropping the bit rate will result in the samples sounding like vinyl...

hes asking how to get the grimey edge on his samples.. not making it sound like vinyl necessarily.. droping the bit rate will definitely make it sound more grimey/crunchy. you can certainly get a grimey feel without making it sound like vinyl.

"if anything, it will make your sample sound like it is coming out of a toy or an old video game"

if you say so.

" was saying that you are much better off sampling at a lower sample rate if you want to sound more like vinyl... NOT a lower bit rate."

that reminds me dirty j. you can also re-sample in programs like sound forge and set the sample rate to whatever you like. 22khz you will not notice a big difference.. but at 11 there is definitely an old school dirty feel.. give that a shot.
 
eternalYouth said:

obviously you didnt understand what i was talking about because nowhere in my reply did i say that dropping the bit rate will result in the samples sounding like vinyl...
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Well, when you said "drop the bit rate to 8/sample bits of vinyl" it seemed to me that you were saying to lower the bit rate you sample at to 8 bit to be at the same quality of vinyl.

Upon reading your sentence several more times, it seems you may have meant he should sample bits of vinyl at 8 bit to get a particular sound. If that is what you were trying to say, then I must have misunderstood what you meant to say.

I was not trying to hurt your feelings or offend you... but aside from misunderstanding what you were trying to say, I still stand by everything I said.
 
did you read the part where i was awake for 30 hours too? ;) i probably didnt word it exactly like i wanted to, but he got the idea i think.

what you said makes perfect sense.. im not saying youre wrong. we werent talking about the same thing. no worries.

dirty j... ive never tried this before but its worth a shot. if you have a mic, preferably an inexpensive one, you could play the sounds on your pa while recording on your not so hi fi mic...? maybe even do that a couple times. then add some vinyl noise. might work..?
 
Dirty J;
One basic way of getting some of that Mobb Deep sound is to use some vinyl. I've got a CD collection of all vinyl, one hit samples, drums, bass, guitars, synths and keys.

Holler if I can help ya.

Peace.
 
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