Asio4all fruityloops latency issue!!!

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Alright so Ive tried every different buffer setting there is to try and keep my latency from messing up...the problem is i try to record my vocals over one of my beats and as soon as i get to the hook the beat starts skipping and it affects my recording as a whole...i have asio4all but its not working correctly...
 
try exporting the project bones and remaking the beat to save as new project and see if the beat still skipz or ya might need another stick of ram memory to help pc process smoother

i had this problem before exported midi settings and audio files and remade beat and it worked
 
i actually do think it may need the ram upgrade...but i have a snowball usb mic im not sure if that affects anything....and im not sure what you mean by exporting the project bones...thanks for your help though
 
mmodi8045 said:
i actually do think it may need the ram upgrade...but i have a snowball usb mic im not sure if that affects anything....and im not sure what you mean by exporting the project bones...thanks for your help though
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He means export all teh midi message functions, any samples, midi lines, etc.


As far as the USB mic, it DOES affect things...slightly... USB controllers inside your computer have a limit as to how much bandwidth they can pass through. Just like any other data controller. USB audio gear sends ALOT of data through every second so it depends on what else you have on that usb controller. Usually, you'll have 2 usb ports side by side, then another 2 side by side below / above / somewhere else. two next to each other are USUALLY on the same controller. SO try and make sure each piece of USB audio gear has it's own dedicated controller (set of ports, even if your only using one of the two). This will ensure there is no overload in data through the USB controller.

However, I don't think that's the issue in your case. A single USB mic would have to be ridiculously awesome to produce enuff data to swamp a usb line. It sounds like to me, your Buffers are too small.

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I'm a total D-bag lol. I missed teh first part of your post "I've tried every buffer setting there is". My bad! So yeah.. prolly can ignore this second half lol. (leaving it there for others that might have this problem)

First thing you wanna do. Is set them to 1024... yes it will have a bit of latency but, you gotta start somewhere... Then playback, see if theres any hiss, crackle, pops, skips, etc. After doing this... leave teh buffer at 1024 and turn on the feature within asio4all "Use Hardware Buffers". Playback again... Any better? worse? If it's worse.. simply turn it back off... if it's better... try playing with the Kernal settings. Set it to 4... If it's better , leave it there, if not .. bring it back down, one at a time... Ok. so you got yer buffer size at XX and you figured out that the Hardware buffer feature makes it Better/Worse and set it on/off appropriatly. Now all you gotta do is bring that overall buffer size down ONE notch at a time and keep testing. Let's say you get it down alll the way to 128 before u get crackles. Well then 256 would be the lowest buffer you can have, but! I'd suggest setting it ONE notch ABOVE the lowest clean buffer you get to allow for "data headroom." If you start adding some CPU intensive plugins, your gonna want that extra buffer in there. Hope this helped. :D
 
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ASIO4ALL is not a real solution. It's not for production and it doesn't make your soundcard anywhere close to a professional card. It's a temp fix for people that need an ASIO driver for special situations where they don't have a real soundcard or to help people get started with what they have. BUY A SOUND CARD!!! They are not that expensive. I've seen ASIO soundcards on eBay for less than $20. Buy a used one, just buy one.
 
dragonz said:
how do you know which sound cards have asio support?
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Thanks for all your help! And thats exactly what i wanted to know...i have a laptop so what is a good relatively inexpensive soundcard with asio?
 
mmodi8045 said:
Thanks for all your help! And thats exactly what i wanted to know...i have a laptop so what is a good relatively inexpensive soundcard with asio?
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I'd suggestion a great starter interface would be an M-audio Fast Track USB. If you wanna spend the extra 100 dollars, go with a Fast Track Pro. You won't be dissapointed.
 
sorry if this is a dumb question but does the fast track need to be used with a real mic, or can a usb mic still work with it....and the fast track will help reduce my latency alot?
 
mmodi8045 said:
sorry if this is a dumb question but does the fast track need to be used with a real mic, or can a usb mic still work with it....and the fast track will help reduce my latency alot?
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ANY dedicated audio interface is going to need a "real mic". As far as what kind you get... that's a whole nother issue. Right now.. as you have it set up.. your processor has to do alot of multi-tasking... It's taking the incoming DIGITAL signal from teh USB mic, converting it to 'analog' so to speak. then routing it to your internal sound card. The internal sound card then has to sync that signal with the playback signal of whatever else your pushing through it. All this involves a helluva lot of math and timing... hence latency issues.

A DEDICATED audio interface doesn't have this issue because it's got it's own processor. Audio comes in. it routes it accordingly to XXX outputs ( set by you, the user) and it's all internally synced through the same proccessing unit. Voila! No lag. Not nearly as much transfering or conversions or math.

So... Bottom line.... Grab a dedicated audio interface, grab yourself a low price 1/4" or XLR connecting microphone. Even if the new analog mic is lower quality slightly than teh USB mic.. you will still pull ahead in overall sound quality due to the lack of craziness going on in yer pc.
 
so with asio soundcard you can just use mic port with fl studio?
 
dragonz said:
so with asio soundcard you can just use mic port with fl studio?
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If you want to use a mic then get a recording soundcard. Like a M-AUdio Fasttrack USB mkII. About $100. There is no way around spending money to do music. You can rake 10 yards and earn $100. In one day.
 
dragonz said:
so with asio soundcard you can just use mic port with fl studio?
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yes. You'd set FLS audio to the ASIO sound card. THen in your mixer. your Master channel OUT to whatever outputs on that card u want... You'd then set XXXX track INPUT to whatever input your mic was on... then add the EDISON plugin to teh track effects chain... there ya go, all ready to record.
 
Eksodismal said:
yes. You'd set FLS audio to the ASIO sound card. THen in your mixer. your Master channel OUT to whatever outputs on that card u want... You'd then set XXXX track INPUT to whatever input your mic was on... then add the EDISON plugin to teh track effects chain... there ya go, all ready to record.
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No... You can't record properly without a mic pre. Adapters aren't for hooking anything up to anything you want. If you ever need an adapter to do what you wanna do then chances are that you are doing it wrong. Maybe you should take a second and ask why do you need an adapter. Those tiny little mic jacks are for computer condenser mics like use in headsets. Not for recording vocals. I guess you could try it until you see how much it sounds like garbage.
 
so basically im going to have to sell my usb mic? because i just bought it lol.....so if u buy the fast track if i plug the interface in one usb port, and the mic in another usb port....it will still have the same latency issues? or will it lessen the problems that i am having....and if i need a new mic could your reccomend a good one around the snowball price range (60.00 on ebay)
 
This is why you don't buy usb mics. They are for people that need simple recording features without audio processing for the most part. Great mobile solution for voice overs but that's it.

Get a Fast Track mkII for about $120 and then get the MXL v63 for about $80. Then you need a mic stand ($10), popper stopper ($10) and a XLR cable ($10).

The Fast Track is a great deal. It's a soundcard, mic pre with phantom power and a headphone amp all in one. Return that mic if you can but most places won't allow it because it violates a heath code. You could always sell it.

Then all you need is monitors and some headphones for a complete setup.
 
mmodi8045 said:
so basically im going to have to sell my usb mic? because i just bought it lol.....so if u buy the fast track if i plug the interface in one usb port, and the mic in another usb port....it will still have the same latency issues? or will it lessen the problems that i am having....and if i need a new mic could your reccomend a good one around the snowball price range (60.00 on ebay)
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In short. Yes it will have the same issues, beacuse your CPU will still be doing 1/2 the math.. forcing sync-up issues between teh multiple components. But.. on the bright side... You can trade that badboy in for store-credit at Guitarcenter for This lil guy>
(cant post links yet so search for AKG-D-88 on guitar center)
 
Eksodismal said:
You can trade that badboy in for store-credit at Guitarcenter for This lil guy>
(cant post links yet so search for AKG-D-88 on guitar center)
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I doubt he will be happy with the results for a cheap hand held dynamic mic. Good mics start at about $100 and that's pretty much a stone cold fact. The Sennheiser e835 is the most impressive stage mic for clairty in that price range.
 
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