maybe i didnt make myself clear enough, i been making beats for about 5 years, 99.9% of that time ive used reason 4 and reason 5 for a short period of time before my friend showed me about ableton live 8, live just blew me away. i mean i love reason, i just feel its not what it could be. i switched to ableton because i was fed up off not being able to to use things like massive and albino and just little things like sidechaining in reason is such a drawn out process whereas in ableton it takes 2 clicks. im still trying to get to grips with sampling in ableton tho, i really loved my process before, cool edit>recycle>dr.rex. personally i feel ableton has alot more to offer although im definately a reason fan boy too lol