SP808EX vs CDX1 vs RS7000

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Aaron Castal

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Hey, I need some advice, I would like to know which of this wouls be the best buy, It would be my first studio piece, so I want like an all in one studio, or maybe a groovebox would be better, has anyone seen that emu xl-7, need help, thanks for answering.

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Of those mentioned, the RS7000 is the only real music production tool.
The others are cool extra equipment you can make neat sounds and beats with.

The RS7000 is a groovebox, a sampler, a Mini-synth and a sequencer all in one piece of equipment.
The sequencer can control all the internal parts and any external part you hook it up with.
But it is quite a complicated machinery, how much experience do you have?
 
Well I dont have to much experience, I have only used a 505 like for a couple of times, but maybe with a lot o f practice and the manual, I would be able to do some things, thanks for answering.
 
The only experience I have with any of these is with the 808ex. I love this machine- its just depends on what you want to do with it. For playing live, mixing tracks and phrases in realtime it is great. I don't like composing on it though....Are you against using software on your computer?
 
No Im not aginst software, but I would prefer if possible, to feel the knobs and everything, but I would also consider software, what I want to do is some house music, and remixes, so please help me , tell me what would be the best to buy....

thanks
 
RS7000 for starters. Then...

Hi again everyone,

Well, I've been preaching the RS7000 for a while now. I'm planning on geting one myself. Reason being that I like how easy the O.S and sequencer is on the RM1X -- which will also be used in the RS7000.

I know some fellas who've never really owned a professional sequencer in their life, but found the RM1X to be very easy too. They're making some really cool songs now.

But the RM1X doesn't have a sampler.... The RS7000 DOES!!!! :) The sampler section is very similar to the SU700 -- also a very cool sampler.

However, the RM1X [and RS7000] will not have a super-dupper-powerful onboard synth. But rather a VERY GOOD AWM2 synth card.

Don't get me wrong, the RM1X sounds are VERY GOOD. But compared to something like a SUPERNOVA II, or VIRUS B, or WALDORF Q -- it doesn't compare. Those are dedicated synths, stricktly used for making synth sounds.

But if you're looking for that ALL AROUND GROOVE WORKSTATION, then the RS7000 is the [IMHO] best so far. Considering that this "BOX" will be your first piece of gear, then you'll love it! But spend lot's of time with it -- as with any new piece of gear. Cause everything will require a learning curve.

As for the SP808EX, it does not have an internal sequencer. And compared to the RS7000, it'll only do "PHRASE" sampling. The RS7000 can chop up your samples like ReCycle or Fruityloops.

If you get the SP808, then you'll also need an external sequencer... So if you're going to spend that much money for a sampler, then get an AKAI MPC2000 series sampler. They're the industry standard. These samplers have a lot of powerful features and has a powerful onboard sequencer -- but no internal synth.

The AKAI's are AWESOME!!!

But if you're trying to get the most BANG, for your buck... then the RS7000 is tops. I mean, look at all the KNOBS you can play with on the RS. Also, the RS7000 will read all sorts of mididata and sample files -- including the AKAI disks.

Here's a link for ya: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RS7000

Good luck with whatever you buy :) and have fun. Later.
 
Well then it looks that a groovebox its the best way to start, I also had another doubt, Would I need an extra midi keyboard, or I would be able to do everything what the rs can do just with it. I would also like to know if its a good option for remixing and house music, thanks you all for your advices...........

thanks
 
All in one

First off The YAMAHA RS7000 hasnt even come out yet,so dont listen to that first reply by dj chriss,how can anyone know if the machine is hard to use,if its not even in stores yet..Reading about an instrument and acutally sitting down in front of one and playing it are 2 different parts...

SP808 IS CRAP FOR MUSIC PRODUCTION
RS7000 WAIT UNTIL ITS RELEASED AND SEE FOR YOURSELF.
YAMAHA QY SERIES ARE ALWAYS GOOD WHEN BUGDET AND VALUE COME INTO PLAY ..
 
hey thanks everyone for the advices, I know first than anything I will try the rs 7000 and a lot of people is telling mr that the 808 is crapr, so I should wait for that 7000.

It looks like a nice machine.

see you
 
Now...
I'd disagree with you here Spectre X.
The sequencer on the RS7000 is similar, although it's a little advanced, to the RM1X. Which I've had quite some fun with. So I kow about that part of the machine.
The Synth is based on Yamahas AWM2 generator, which is bloody great sounding on any of the devices it's used on.
The sampler is like any other sampler with divide-and-sequence and. It should work somewhat similar to the SU7000 and the two pads shouldn't be too hard to figure out what to do with.

So... You have a very fair chance to get into this machine before it's released.

And I also agree on something. The Sp808ex is not for music production. It's for making beats and remixing.
 
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u're right dj chriss, the rs 7000 is great , even i'am waitin for it to release. and i was gonna go for the sp808 , but when i watched it performance in the shop, it isn't too good, but it's a good one for remixing, he chriss, please tell me moew about the synthesizer on the rs7000. :confused:
 
RS7000 internal synth

The internal Synth is an AWM2 board just like that used inthe RM1X. So the synth's will sound pretty good. :)

But, NOT as good a the dedicated synths out there, like a NORD or a VIRUS. But if you plan it out right, just get the RS7000, then a few months down the line [after having written a few tuns on the RS] you go out and buy an EA-1 [cause the prices have dropped] or a MICROCON2, or a DX200.

You've made the right choice holding off on the SP808.

Stop by the RS7000 group at Yahoo groups
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I don't know if this type of promotion is allowed -- sorry if I've broken any rules Mano.
 
thanks for telling me 'bout the rs7000, and getting offf the sp808 is made by FUTUREPRDUCERS.com otherwise i dont know what should i have brought for me. Thanks FUTUREPRODUCERS.com:) :cool:
 
sp808 apologia

having used most every sequencer and production suite out there, i dont entirely agree that the sp808 is 'not for music production'. it isn't for 'production' in the sense that an mpc or some other midi-intensive unit is, but it is for production in a way somewhat analogous to a 4-track digital recorder is. it's more of an 'audio sequencer' than a 'music sequencer'.

i would say, comparing the rs7k (ive used a rm1x and an su700 midi linked, so i have rough experience of what it's like) or the mpc2000 to an sp808 is like comparing apples and oranges.
 
this thread is quite disturbing :) because the 3 products mentionned in the title have NOTHING in common, they are three different "types" of machines

hehe :) what should we do, close this thread? I believe some new peoepl may be confused a bit :)
 
Naw, you don't have to close this thread.

I think this thread is kinda funny, but still got a good discussion going.

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ORIGINAL QUESTION, Aaron Castal (Member) Wrote:
Hey, I need some advice, I would like to know which of this wouls be the best buy, It would be my first studio piece, so I want like an all in one studio, or maybe a groovebox would be better, has anyone seen that emu xl-7, need help, thanks for answering.

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So, for an "all-in-one" govebox/work station, for the first timer, I would suggest getting either one of the following:

1. RS7000 -- Sequencer, AWM2 sound card, sampler
2. RM1X -- Sequencer, AWM2 sounds card
3. XL-7 -- Sequencer, w/ expansion possibilities! :)
4. MP-7 -- Sequencer with expansion card possibilities! :)
5. MC505 -- techno in a box, very cool though
6. MC307 -- techno in a box, very cool though

8. QY700 -- sequencer, XG midi sounds
9. QY100 -- pre RM1X

I didn't pick the AKAI or ASR-X-PRObecause if he hasn't got a synth so extract sounds from, he'll need a box that does.

Does anyone have a different order? :)
 
(everyone)Well, I have been reading your answers, thanks for your help, and I think that based on your experience the best piece would be the rs7000, but I have another little doubt, If I buy an RS or any other groovebox should I also buy a midi keybord or its not necessary, and a last doubt ;would be better a motif or a quasimidi sirius rather than a RS7 ,I mean I think they are very similir and prices are too. what would be better!! PLS need help.
And all the info here has been very helpful to me so please dont close the thread!!:confused:
 
: Aaron Castal WROTE:
: If I buy an RS or any other groovebox should
: I also buy a midi keybord or its not necessary,

Hey Aaron,

Well, yes. You will need a controller (keyboard). But you could probably do without it for a while -- not too long though. You'll notice on the RS7000 that it has PADS on the bottom that look similar to that of a keyboard [two octives worth -- with OCTIVE UP & DOWN function.] You could use those pads as your keyboard for a while.

There are quite a few inexpensive controllers out there. Some of the cheapest are from FATAR -- I've used those myself on occasion. They run from $75 to $1000, depending on your needs. Get the $75 one. ;)

Currently I own a Yamaha CBX-K2 keyboard controller for my portable QY70. It cost me around $250 -- it does everything I need it to... right now. I plan on connecting it to my RS7000 too.


: and a last doubt , would be better a
: MOTIF or a quasimidi SIRIUS rather
: than a RS7000. I mean I think they
: are very similir and prices are too.
: what would be better!!


I owned a SIRIUS for about TWO-1/2 years. It is NOT for the beginner. It will CRUSH your spirit -- it is truly for the professional.

I sold mine because it had too many "MIDI timing delay" issues with my other gear. Also, the drums are seperated into their own tracks. For example TRACK 1 was ONLY KICK DRUM, TRACK 2 was ONLY SNARE, TRACK 3 was only HiHat, and TRACK 4 was only PERCUSSION. It sucked!

The RM1X, RS7000, MOTIF, QY700, QY70, QY100, MC505, MC307, ER-1, Jamox BASE09, TRITON, KARMA, all use 1 MIDI CHANNEL for a DRUM KIT. For the beginner who is getting their FIRST piece of gear, like yourself, I wouldn't get anything but a sequencer that operates using the "DRUM KIT" standard [like those mentioned above.]

ALSO, the RS7000 offers a whole lot MORE then a SIRIUS can -- too much to list.

Another thing about the SIRIUS is that it has a lot of bugs -- a lot of BUGS!!! Quasimidi in also NO LONGER in business -- so you will get NO TECH SUPPORT.

Now, as far as RS7000 vs. MOTIF -- they are the same creature. However, the MOTIF offers the keyboard and is A LOT more expensive, yet it offers less sound design manipulation, because it has less knobs. The RS7000 offers more knobs, which will give you more control [or more fun] with the sounds. The RS7000 is also cheaper then the MOTIF.

IMHO, the RS7000 is the way to go between the two -- here's why: IF the RS7000 is your FIRST piece of gear, then you will want to only buy an inexpensive controller. Then within a year, or maybe even sooner you'll realize that you want a really powerfull synth -- maybe something like the VIRUS line, or a NORD, or a NOVA-something... The extra money you save [instead of buying a MOTIF] will go towards one of these awesome keyboards. Also, you'll have room in your "studio" for an extra keyboard. See what I mean?

Aaron, I wish you the best of luck with whichever gear you choose -- but choose wisely. Do not make an impulse buy. ;)

Later...
 
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