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    Damn Ja, you do a pretty good job of deating. maybe you should run for mayor or something, I'd vote for ya

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    Originally posted by thunderkyss
    Damn Ja, you do a pretty good job of deating. maybe you should run for mayor or something, I'd vote for ya
    Agreed. Not that I agree with all the points..but jahome has officially out-typed me...and THAT is no easy thing. But that is just too much for me to bother with. Seems like the MV is the winner anyway...

    Thisgs cost what they do depending on the costs negotiated between companies and manufacturers. Roland is a bigger company, has more components made and can simply get the costs down due to bulk. The MV is pretty much placed in 3/4 an existing mold form the VS 2000, etc They can get the same quality cheaper due to bulk. MPC's are priced by cost + profit margine. THe 1000 saved the company from implosion and they have upped the mpc prices to get out of filing bankruptcy and to line Numark's pockets. Notice how you get some crappy headphones, or "free" memory now but the price is higher...

    Anyway, Roland updates their gear until it no longer can go any further...they rarely give up on products...if it is perfect and bugless...why keep going forever? I mean, are their new OS' for the mpc3k?

    Like I said, the MV wins and there is no way around it and IT WILL WIN JAHOME over and he will one day be the #1 used MV dealer on eBay.
    ...and so on...

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    That post was garbage.

    The MV-8000 takes through the entire production process from taking your samples off vinly or cd or from sample cd's to sequencing and laying down drums in either a pattern based or linear mode. Then the MV-8000 allows you to mix that project and even master it. I can then on the same machine burn my work to a CD and take that to a studio and tweak it some more if I want.

    I can record vocals on the MV-8000. If I wanted I would never have to step into a studio again.

    Against the MPC 4000 the MV does more and cost less.

    Against the MPC 2000xl the MV does more and'll cost less after you buy all the upgrades that you'll need to make the 2k just not AS INFERIOR.

    Against the MPC 1000 there is no comparsion. If you are thinking about a 1k or MV it should only be because you are never going to have more than one thousand dollars to your name.

    The MV-8000 can be an all-in one studio. But only a fool would limit themselves to that. MV-8000 users can also make it the center of their studio, adding other equiptment.

    I'm planning on adding the motif rack, and Alesis Micron and running it into a VS-2400CD.

    Your arguments are lame. Re-read them, you flip flop on many things.

    That's a big reason why I got an MV-8000.

    Akai has turned the MPC series into nothing but a well-known moniker.

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    That post was garbage.
    You are entitled to your opinion...but are a card carrying member of MV Nation for sure...do you sell patches like Trusty also

    I didn't say that the extras the MV had are no good...I just said that they are no good for me...being a junkie and all that has put many tools in my set-up. I came at it from a long time MPC users perspective...and to be informative...

    If you didn't know already, I will have the MV 8000, MPC 4000, and the MPC 3000 sharing space..they will be butt brothers

    I just don't need my MV burning masters...when I get Wave Lab...that will be his job..

    But, I can see where the MV-8000 is attractive to some...Again, my point is that there are always alternatives. Don't believe any hype until you demo all units. These machines costs thousands...do yourself a favor and make an informed purchase. I not calling any instrument trash...and as Trusty put it...I may head into the business selling MVs

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    jahrome, you are a member of mvnation as well. So I can't really see that as a snide remark...unless you really didn't mean it as one.

    But, there was some garbage in your points.

    1. Your tirade about the onboard sounds.
    2. Hitting a pad can cause triggering of neighboring pads.

    The first one is a bonus that should be applauded on Roland's part. And the second one was B.S. and made up. It has never happened to me or anyone I've ever known that has an MV. No one has had that happen. You read it nowhere...not like you read about the 4k crashing and the mpc pad's double-triggering.

    But I digress.

    I do agree that anything that costs thousands of dollars shouldn't be garbage...but sometimes instruments that are overly expensive end up being garbage... like the 4k. There are still more 2kxl's in pro studios than any other mpc. Not too many people cared for the 4k. I hardly see them in gear lists in the mags, and the other mpc's are showing up less and less.

    Also, there are many types of pro studios and many, many other high-selling genre's of music than rap/r&b as well. MV's aren't a home musicians tool. It is fast becoming the
    hip-hop producers, classical composers, remixers, DJ's, pop producers, and even some rock bands production tool of chioce. And the mixing and mastering tools have very little to do with that...other than for "on the road" uses. It is as powerful as the mixing and mastering on VS recorders...same "guts" and how many pro's use those over akai, tascam, and korg DAWs? Plenty. If you had half th epassion for the MV that you have for the mpc, you get tens times the use and functionality of it than all your mpcs and see why we are so happy with it and quick to recommend it.

    And I sure do not see the need for all those mpcs, and a MV in your set-up. Gear junkie or not. YOu'll never bother using more than 20% of each machine. You are probably like me, you have expendable cash all over the place...but that doesn't mean you should always spend it on things that will serve no purpose. Like three romplers in the same set-up. Just some advice for ya. If you want lots of gear, buy more analog and virtual analog synthesizers. Or even go crazy and blow your money on a modular system. And why have you not considered V-Synth? That is the king of samplers bro.
    ...and so on...

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    Wow getting really ugly.

    The most important thing I got out of Jahrome's post, is that the MPC sells at a premium to the MV. The pricing/availability of the MV, has not put a dent in aKai's sales. heck, as trusty said, the price has gone up.

    That doesn't mean the MPC is better than the MV, but it does mean some people are willing to pay for the Akai, even though it has less functionality than the MV. So the MPC has something the MV doesn't. Mojo, hype, sound, whatever it is, it's got it.


    I stand by my orignal statement, that I am not willing to pay for whatever it is the MPC has.

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    Yes, I am a member of MV Nation and MPC Tutor....that was just a jokey joke. Keeping things light hearted..always
    But, there was some garbage in your points.

    1. Your tirade about the onboard sounds.
    2. Hitting a pad can cause triggering of neighboring pads.

    The first one is a bonus that should be applauded on Roland's part. And the second one was B.S. and made up. It has never happened to me or anyone I've ever known that has an MV. No one has had that happen. You read it nowhere...not like you read about the 4k crashing and the mpc pad's double-triggering.
    So here it is in print...you said that it was BS and that it is no here in print...Pg #179 of the Operating Manual entitled Reducing Unwanted Triggering of the Velocity Pads...I accept your apology in advance As I said before...Roland does not publish their BUG reports unlike Akai...

    No tirade about on-board sounds...they are what they are..just samples on a hard drive not available for me unless I get another MV in the USA or buy patches from you, Trusty I will gladly give you my business when the day comes when I need them...

    There are still more 2kxl's in pro studios than any other mpc
    I made this appoint already in another post. Most producers who have been using MPCs for years never felt the need to upgrade. Thus Kanye still using an MPC 2000..Dre still using a 3000..and even me..still mainly using the 3000 , my bread and butta. Phatt!

    hardly see them in gear lists in the mags, and the other mpc's are showing up less and less.
    Only new products are advertised. C'mon..that is no argument..I guess you haven't read the latest and greatest magazine dedicated to prducers and DJs, Scratch. An MPC is in over 90% of the interviewed producer's studios. I don't see this changing anytime soon but we will see.

    It is fast becoming the
    hip-hop producers, classical composers, remixers, DJ's, pop producers, and even some rock bands production tool of chioce
    This is what you claim...I just haven't come across this info..I know there is more than R&B and Hip-hop...which the MPC rules hands down..and you know this man! Please pick up an issue of Scratch. You can even get them on eBay.

    It is as powerful as the mixing and mastering on VS recorders
    Very small market. Geared towards home recording.

    If you had half th epassion for the MV that you have for the mpc, you get tens times the use and functionality of it than all your mpcs and see why we are so happy with it and quick to recommend it.
    Passion? Maybe. But I am not hear bragging or big upping the MPC 3000. No need for that. We all know what it can and can't do. And even with that and an MV in my studio...I will still use the MPC as my main sequencer just like many other producers...much more. The MV may make a good showing in the next few years but we will see.

    And why have you not considered V-Synth?
    I was considering a V-Synth. But the sounds were not my cup of tea. I know you can program any synth...but the presets were heavy in trance..house..euro beat...etc. I am not Lil' John so I didn't feel the need to experiment with that keyboard.

    You are right..I donot use any particular piece more than 20% with the exception of my MPC 3000LE. It is in use 100% of the time.

    You are probably like me, you have expendable cash all over the place...but that doesn't mean you should always spend it on things that will serve no purpose.
    Believe it or not, they all do have a purpose. Let's say you are a producer that is an MV fanatic And you want to take your MV porjects that are saved on disk to another studio. Well, my studio will be attractive to you. Lets say you love your Triton Studio and that you do everything in one. And my studio is the only place that has one..I would most likely get your business unless you wanted to carry your Triton around to another studio. See..I am putting together a production company/recording studio/record label. I will be looking for talent that have their own preferences of gear that they use. I will be able to satisfy their needs. So although I don't need them all, my customers and future employees may.
    If you want lots of gear, buy more analog and virtual analog synthesizers.
    I am. I just trying to decide whether to get the Andromeda A6, Moog Voyayer/Voyager rack, or an older analog synth or all of them Since I am moving to Oklahoma very soon, I have very limited space. I have MPCs all over my living room..on the floor..on the couch...I had to put my ASR-10 in storage due to room.

    but sometimes instruments that are overly expensive end up being garbage... like the 4k
    Gear bashing at its finest...but you are entitled to your opinion as always. We may never be able to prove the STATS on these items...but MY guess is, there are more MPC 4000 users than MV-8000 users. This is just from my experience as a salesman. MV-8000s have to be special ordered here...not because the sell out, but because there is less of a demand. This doesn't mean that the MV is garbage. It has its place in the market today....

    Again, I have to add that I am not trying to tell anyone to get an MV or an MPC...but to inform potential buyers. This thread was told from the perspective of an long time MPC user.

    I will be spending time with the MV-8000 again this weekend. It would be nice to hear a detailed account of another MPC/MV user pointing out the pros/cons of their unit. Not all PROs....When its all said and done, you buy the tools that fit your needs. No product is the ALL MEANS TO AN END..as others may suggest or imply.

    Keep it comin..I ain't going nowhere
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    I would so get the MV-8k but i love reasons sounds AND my sound fonts. i do plan on getting the XV-5080 but IF i ever decide to go hardware ima get the 8k in a heart beat, i just like the work flow and everything of the computer. just thought id add my 0.02 lol

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    thunderkyss, this ain't ugly. jahrome and I ain't beefin' We cool. This is what we do...

    Originally posted by jahrome
    Yes, I am a member of MV Nation and MPC Tutor....that was just a jokey joke. Keeping things light hearted..always
    I thought so.


    Originally posted by jahrome
    So here it is in print...you said that it was BS and that it is no here in print...Pg #179 of the Operating Manual entitled Reducing Unwanted Triggering of the Velocity Pads...I accept your apology in advance As I said before...Roland does not publish their BUG reports unlike Akai...
    Sigh...page 179 in the manual is the cover page for the chapter that begins the "Screen Guide". Nice try. What you are refering to is on 168...but it is there for Roland's benefit more than ours to cover themselves IF, and that is IF it ever happens and which there have been ZERO reports of it happening. So make it up and say it has happened to you. Was there anything in the mpc manual about double triggering when you hit a pad??????

    Originally posted by jahrome
    No tirade about on-board sounds...they are what they are..just samples on a hard drive not available for me unless I get another MV in the USA or buy patches from you, Trusty I will gladly give you my business when the day comes when I need them...
    With all htose romplers you got, you won't.

    Originally posted by jahrome
    I made this appoint already in another post. Most producers who have been using MPCs for years never felt the need to upgrade. Thus Kanye still using an MPC 2000..Dre still using a 3000..and even me..still mainly using the 3000 , my bread and butta. Phatt!
    I understand, while I had the mpc2kxl, I still used the XP-60's sequencer as well because it was my bread and butter and a much better sequencer than the mpc...imo

    Originally posted by jahrome
    Only new products are advertised. C'mon..that is no argument..I guess you haven't read the latest and greatest magazine dedicated to prducers and DJs, Scratch. An MPC is in over 90% of the interviewed producer's studios. I don't see this changing anytime soon but we will see.
    I read scratch, remix, etc. I don't see them "all the time" in the "gear lists".
    SOme of the biggest producers (Dre excluded) in hip-hop do NOT use a mpc.

    Originally posted by jahrome
    This is what you claim...I just haven't come across this info..I know there is more than R&B and Hip-hop...which the MPC rules hands down..and you know this man! Please pick up an issue of Scratch. You can even get them on eBay.
    Nah, I see more SP-1200's, than mpc's for some reason...and it really isn't a workstation. Mostly Motif's these days...and computers.

    Originally posted by jahrome
    Very small market. Geared towards home recording.
    You are kidding right?????? Those are the BIGGEST selling hardware DAW's in its range. You crazy...every tour (Alecia Keys, Beyonce, etc...) has them on stage...Most "Access Granted", "Cribs", and other behind the scenes shows feature them in the studios...

    Originally posted by jahrome
    Passion? Maybe. But I am not hear bragging or big upping the MPC 3000. No need for that. We all know what it can and can't do. And even with that and an MV in my studio...I will still use the MPC as my main sequencer just like many other producers...much more. The MV may make a good showing in the next few years but we will see.
    It has become my mpc30k. When everyone else is on the MV-800000000000, I will be using by by then "vintage" MV000.

    Originally posted by jahrome
    I was considering a V-Synth. But the sounds were not my cup of tea. I know you can program any synth...but the presets were heavy in trance..house..euro beat...etc. I am not Lil' John so I didn't feel the need to experiment with that keyboard.
    Those are the standard onboard stuff. Remember that it is also the sampler and undisputedly the greatest hardware sampler ever for sample manipulation. I also have little need for the onboard sounds...but that isn't its strength. Its real strength is what it can do to samples...especially your own samples...

    Originally posted by jahrome
    You are right..I donot use any particular piece more than 20% with the exception of my MPC 3000LE. It is in use 100% of the time.
    Well, you will learn that three or four pieces used 100% are better than six or seven only being used 20%.

    Originally posted by jahrome
    Believe it or not, they all do have a purpose. Let's say you are a producer that is an MV fanatic And you want to take your MV porjects that are saved on disk to another studio. Well, my studio will be attractive to you. Lets say you love your Triton Studio and that you do everything in one. And my studio is the only place that has one..I would most likely get your business unless you wanted to carry your Triton around to another studio. See..I am putting together a production company/recording studio/record label. I will be looking for talent that have their own preferences of gear that they use. I will be able to satisfy their needs. So although I don't need them all, my customers and future employees may.
    Got ya. As long as they can generate the income to allow gear to pay for itself...I think it is probably a good idea then.

    Originally posted by jahrome
    I am. I just trying to decide whether to get the Andromeda A6, Moog Voyayer/Voyager rack, or an older analog synth or all of them Since I am moving to Oklahoma very soon, I have very limited space. I have MPCs all over my living room..on the floor..on the couch...I had to put my ASR-10 in storage due to room.
    I prefer the Andromeda...the minimoog is hot, so I have the software version for that sound when I need that sound...but that sound has kinda been done to death. I think the Andromeda is the way to go...and buy trhe minimoog V whenever you need that sound.

    Originally posted by jahrome
    Gear bashing at its finest...but you are entitled to your opinion as always. We may never be able to prove the STATS on these items...but MY guess is, there are more MPC 4000 users than MV-8000 users. This is just from my experience as a salesman. MV-8000s have to be special ordered here...not because the sell out, but because there is less of a demand. This doesn't mean that the MV is garbage. It has its place in the market today....
    The 4k has been out for a while now. We are barely over a year with the MV...we'll see what happens.

    Originally posted by jahrome
    Again, I have to add that I am not trying to tell anyone to get an MV or an MPC...but to inform potential buyers. This thread was told from the perspective of an long time MPC user.
    But also from an inexperienced MV user. And there is the problem with some of your posts. That will change as your addiction to using the MV grows.

    Originally posted by jahrome
    I will be spending time with the MV-8000 again this weekend. It would be nice to hear a detailed account of another MPC/MV user pointing out the pros/cons of their unit. Not all PROs....When its all said and done, you buy the tools that fit your needs. No product is the ALL MEANS TO AN END..as others may suggest or imply.
    Well, that too is subjective, but we all find ways to push limits of gear, through inginuity, to get to the end we desire beyond specs to the results we are looking for with a unit (or units).

    Originally posted by jahrome
    Keep it comin..I ain't going nowhere
    Obviously.
    ...and so on...

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    I will be working on Part 2 this weekend when I am further testing the MV.


    I will be checking out the V-link function and also to see if the MV has an equivalent functions for:

    1. Previewing samples from the hard drive without loading them.

    2. Streaming samples directly from the hard disk...which means that you can play samples without loading them in RAM (saves a tremedous amount of time).

    3. Word clock in/out for optimal syncing of digital soond sources

    4. SCSI

    5. High definition sampling support

    6. Real-time control over filters, ptitch, LFOs, modulation, etc



    Until than....



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