DiaboliC
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We can sample and chop in redrum as well as nn19 and I believe they said nnxt in the video . Reason allows input recording man o man I remember props saying no audio in support now we got it whoa
propellerheads are soon gonna announce something new/ The Reason 5 thread
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preppypmp_82
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cosign that
neverenoughfunk
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A little over a year before that, I bought the ASR 10. That was $2000 back in 93/94. I bought the MPC in 95/96. I don't even think the 2000's were actually out in 95/96. They didn't come out until 97.
So, back in the 90's a sampling keyboard and a sampling drum machine would cost you about $5000. I had those two pieces, a Korg 01R/W, and a Peavey Bass. I also had some 1200's.
i guess i was off by 2 years (or could have been rounding up
)with the mpc2000. i never sampled with my mpc. i only use it as a drum machine and to sequence modules (i.e. korg m3r, alesis d4/s4, roland u220, akai s2000/so1,proteus 2000)...just imagine for about $1200 today you could have Record/Reason, midi controller, computer, soundcard, headphones and mic...
basically all the tools needed to start a production/record company...
that is what Propellerheads has brought to the game...
and when an individual starts making money there is OPEN LABS...
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that is one thing...
Reason's sequencer is tight...
i think the mpc can sequence external gear better than any software...
DaNOC
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Wow that's your opinion that what I said was an opinion, again, FACT hands down the MPC has the Best sequencer. You can have groove extraction that's cool, but most talk about the MPC haven't went into it deeply, and use it only for drums.
DiaboliC
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Mpc will never be obsolete is solid
My reason for going software was
My mixes were not so hot when tracking
Out and I had many lost beats due to program changes
By mistake
My reason for going software was
My mixes were not so hot when tracking
Out and I had many lost beats due to program changes
By mistake
kb420
Old School Old Head
It's a good time to be a beat maker. It's a hell of a lot cheaper. Like I said: keyboard, drum machine $5000. & you ain't even bought a patch cable or a mixer yet. $5000 in 95/96 money is the equivalent of about $9000 in today's money.
The MPC was the sequencer to have, but I don't know if it's better for external gear now. Sonar is actually really good for external gear because it has instrument definitions. I would still use Live. Live is great at sequencing external gear. It just doesn't sync well to external hardware midi clocks.
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I've sequenced everything with the MPC. At one time I wished my MPC had more than 4 midi ports for sequencing external gear. For years that's all I used for sequencing.
I take software over it now. Hands down.
neverenoughfunk
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today most new producers start on and love software (look around and see how many people are excited for Record/Reason)...
the old heads use mpc(s) and they are a dying breed...
new skool sample based hardware producers are going to NI maschine...
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i agree...
i have not used my hardware in about 6 to 7 years now...
DaNOC
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I have always said the next best thing to the MPC sequencing is REASON/RECORD! I have always said that, and Mr Gibbs if Reason 5/Record is like that of the MPC in sequencing ummmmmmmmm THANK YOU PROPS! lol That's a blessing!
Pep you selling a MPC 2000xl? if so is it in great condition, I will buy it off you for $150 that's what I was told they are worth lol
Pep you selling a MPC 2000xl? if so is it in great condition, I will buy it off you for $150 that's what I was told they are worth lol
Trusty
I use reason and logic.
I never thought the MPC had a good sequencer. So I wouldn't say it is a "fact" that it is the best sequencer hands down. A lot of people don't like it, which is why a lot more people use something else besides an MPC to sequence.
In any case, so far, the Reason/Record roll-out has been very nice. Direct sampling into reason is definitely a nice touch. But, I am ready to see all the "other" unexciting detailed improvements about the upgrades, which will probably end up being more important than any of these "big" new features.
In any case, so far, the Reason/Record roll-out has been very nice. Direct sampling into reason is definitely a nice touch. But, I am ready to see all the "other" unexciting detailed improvements about the upgrades, which will probably end up being more important than any of these "big" new features.
DiaboliC
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I believe the days of saying the MPC is the best sequencer available have been gone for a while. The MPC is the greatest HARDWARE MIDI SEQUENCER. In a day where many tracks are being made with virtual instruments, the necessity for such a feature becomes less and less qualified. I don't need a rock solid hardware Midi sequencer if the majority of my sounds are virtual. If you still use Midi Devices (Keyboards, Midi FX Racks, Sound Modules), then you should of course keep your MPC for that, Reason wont cut it. If you are more result oriented, than the tools oriented, then you recognized that Reason has added some features that further facilitate you getting to the end result.
DaNOC
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At the end of the day it doesn't matter what you do your music on, THAT TRACK AND MUSIC BETTER BE HOT IF YOU'RE TRYING TO MAKE MONEY, BECAUSE NO ONE IS GOING TO ASK "DID YOU DO THAT ON THE MPC, LIVE, REASON ETC"? They are going to want to know how is the music, so If I rock an MPC that's cool, if I rock my MPK 88 and Record that's cool, as long as my music is HOT! So I GOT BOTH MPC AND MPK
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That goes without saying, that's why people went to the MPC instead of going to other PRODUCTS. Can you name these programs that has tighter TRUSTY sequencing than the MPC?
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That goes without saying, that's why people went to the MPC instead of going to other PRODUCTS. Can you name these programs that has tighter TRUSTY sequencing than the MPC?
mrgibbs
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i stopped using my mpc a while ago i actually sold it a few years back now i knew that machine inside and out but after tomorrow i think a few heads will change there hardware sequencers lol but that's just my opinion.
DaNOC
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I agree with that, if one is soley computer based the MPC would not be in the equation, a controller of the MPD would be sufficient.
Now like you said if you got that hardware which I have said a million times I HAVE HARDWARE AND SOFTWARE AND I PRODUCE TWO DIFFERENT WAYS, yet people who are software heads seem to forget my HARDWARE part and see only SOFTWARE! I say " don't look through your glasses upon my studio". I like the combination of both, it's a lovely thing. As i have asked WHAT IF MY COMPUTER GOES DOWN AND IT'S OUT FOR TWO WHOLE WEEKS, WHAT AM I SUPPOSE TO DO TWIDDLE MY THUMBS AND LOSE MONEY? I am not renting anything if I already have it. I have not an logical answer yet. A hospital has an emergency back up system, mines is my hardware, plus it's my first way to produce music.
mrgibbs
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at the end of the day it doesn't matter what you do your music on, that track and music better be hot if you're trying to make money, because no one is going to ask "did you do that on the mpc, live, reason etc"? They are going to want to know how is the music, so if i rock an mpc that's cool, if i rock my mpk 88 and record that's cool, as long as my music is hot! So i got both mpc and mpk
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that goes without saying, that's why people went to the mpc instead of going to other products. Can you name these programs that has tighter trusty sequencing than the mpc?
i think reason sequencer with the regroove is tighter than the mpc but that's just me. All you really have to do is set the groove to mpc 55% quantize at 50% adn timing to 120 and you got it made.
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preppypmp_82
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After tomorrow, there will be more people trying to justify why Reason won't compare to thier hardware sequencers.
kb420
Old School Old Head
At the beginning of the day, I'm gonna use what I feel comfortable with, and you should use what you feel comfortable with. You can't just come out and say this or that is the best and tell everybody else they're wrong if they use something else. If you think the MPC is the best, that only means that it's the best for you. It ain't best for me no more. I've moved on, and obviously so have a lot of other people.
Use what you feel comfortable with.
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mrgibbs
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i agree with that, if one is soley computer based the mpc would not be in the equation, a controller of the mpd would be sufficient.
Now like you said if you got that hardware which i have said a million times i have hardware and software and i produce two different ways, yet people who are software heads seem to forget my hardware part and see only software! I say " don't look through your glasses upon my studio". I like the combination of both, it's a lovely thing. As i have asked what if my computer goes down and it's out for two whole weeks, what am i suppose to do twiddle my thumbs and lose money? I am not renting anything if i already have it. I have not an logical answer yet. A hospital has an emergency back up system, mines is my hardware, plus it's my first way to produce music.
i can make beats on hardware too but i dont like the sound of triton and motif racks, the analog mpc sound is amazing and will always be amazing but i need more in depth mixing and routing and hardware just doesn't cut it for me these days. But i dont knock danoc for using his equipment his way because its him. We can't force people to change thier workflow. But i think danoc will have second thoughts after tomorrow.
DaNOC
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That's cool for you, that you sold yours. Man I still have my Dr 5 in a plastic bag that was my first drum machine lol Only way I get rid of my MPC is if it broke down, and bet I will be on Ebay to get another one. I hope I could get one for $150 and in mint condition lol
As you know I just got Hollywood Strings, I can't use that in Record so ummmmmmmm fastest way and best for me is MPC+Protools. Now you get it? LOL
What's up with the sampling features in this Reason joint? Enough of the MPC mines is staying in my studio.
Focused
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I think you are missing the point of what he is saying. He will not have second thoughts because he is utilizing both right now. Also please read what he is saying about have a back up system. Computers do crash, hard drives die, motherboards have issues. Why not keep the MPC for back up if his computer system goes down? Seems reasonable to me, regardless of what new MPC like features are in R5.
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