need advice on setting up midi gear for VSTi control

rtx1224

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hi.

i have a computer based setup that is more or less working, however it is not optimized in the best way that it could be.

actually my post will be regarding two main issues:

1. how best to route the hardware
2. optimizing midi gear for vsti control

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1.
here is the equipment i would like to play together optimally:
novation remote 49SL compact
behringer BCR2000
akai mpd18
dell vostro laptop running cubase 5 and various VSTi's

(i also have a rme baby face, mackie monitors, and smpro monitor controller but none of that is relative to this topic)

at this moment, I have the akai and novation hooked up via their usb ports into my laptop, and the BCR is hooked into the novation via midi (bcr out into novation in)
this setup works but im not able to get vsti patch feedback into the bcr, and when i hook up another midi cable (bcr in, novation out) it causes massive issues with notes being triggered and looping repetatively.
i used to have the BCR hooked up via its usb port, but for whatever reason that setup did not work along with the novation (just to clearify I want all 3 controllers to operate one synth at a time)

so. what is the best way that i can set this up so that i can get patch parameter information into the BCR?
id like the LEDs on the BCR to change accordingly when i change a patch in a VSTi
is it via the midi method and i need to enable a function or setting within one unit or another?
or with all 3 controllers connected via usb?

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2.
the really big issue that has been plaguing me forever is a seamless and integrated setup (or lackthereof) of controlling a VSTi with my controllers.

what im trying to achieve is: To Always Control Same Synth Parameters With The Same Knobs. (like a hardware synth)
in other words, i would LOVE to be able to switch from one VSTi to another, highlite it in cubase, and instantly all my knobs are controlling same parameters (regardless of vsti).
i realize that all synths are different and that i could never have the perfect setup, but i would like to dedicate all the knobs on my BCR to always control same common function that the majority of synths have (for example filters, envelopes, oscilator functions etc...)
currently i have to assign them each and every time and frankly its making me not want to do it at all and im tired of adjusting everything with the mouse. (to be honest this has turned me off of using VSTi's and computers in general for making music, but i would like to get back into it.

so am i limited to only using VSTi's that have the 'learn' function?
if that is the case, then that is too bad, but eitherway i would be willing to invest some money into buying a few proper synths and learn them well, as long as i can have them set up like a hardware synth and spending time tweaking knobs instead of assigning them.

if i can set this up and be able to use any VSTi (not just ones with midi learn) then that would be awesome as that would really open up a whole world of inexpensive and free vsti's available especially through kvr.
i originally bought the novation for this reason, but the 8 knobs is just not enough and i dont even like their feel and i dont want to be switching banks and looking at the little lcd strip.

if what im trying to achieve is not possible, then id be willing to invest in something like a arturia controller with the included libraries, but as a last resort.

help is appreciated.
 
I believe the only way to get the BCR to display the patch information would be to have it hooked up via usb. Have you tried running it with the bcr going into your computer via usb, and then runing midi in/out of the novation into the bcr? ( though this way I think you will lose the lcd dispay from the novation?
 
id be happy with going that way (even if i lost novation display) but i just tried hooking up the bcr via usb and windows7 is not recognizing the driver. i tried installing the 64bit driver from behringer website and its not working :(
 
win7 64bit

i tried two usb cables and all 4 ports on my laptop.
also i know its not the port on the bcr because it has worked before on a older win xp laptop
 
which version of the bcr do you have and which revision of the firmware? drivers need to match both of these versions
 
firmware version of the bcr is 1.10
and im using latest driver from behringer website (1.0.10

do you think that it would be possible to make it work with my previous setup where i had the novation remote connected via usb and the BCR connected to the novation via midi?

if i can save knob assignments (even if it is just to VSTi's with midi learn) and get patch parameter feedback then i would be a happy camper
 
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