mpc vs. mv

Simple their is no right or wrong choice. If you really want to know which one would benefit "you" most then you will need to learn the basics of both machine and figure out, weight the pros and cons of each machine.

But I myself have a MPC 2500 and love it. The support from Akai (Akai Updated) might not be the greatest but we have JJOS a newer firmware that took traditional mpc production to another level.

I can say this just based of the progress and features of JJOS and how quick bug fixes and features are implemented I would choose the MPC 2500.

But thats not all, the most important part is both an MPC and MV are just hardware at the end of the day its how it was programmed that counts. One of the most coolest part of JJOS is that they actually listen to you.

Now about MPC 5000 not doing so well, MPC 5000 is like a MPC 2500 with some minor additions but heres the catch the source code for that is private and an outside programmer like JJ is not able to put out firmwares for that machine.

MPC 5000 might have a bad rap but I can guarantee if Akai were to make their software updates open sourced you would all be praising it.
 
Also just because theirs a MV forum does not mean you will get support just as quick as an Akai machine. For some people support is everything. So I'll have to agree with the fact you will get much better support on an Akai machine. But that's really up to the consumer if they want it to base their decision.

I mean their is a reason why MPC's are more popular, that's because it cant be replicated but just imitated. The MPC has a certain trademark feel like no other.
 
Also just because theirs a MV forum does not mean you will get support just as quick as an Akai machine. For some people support is everything. So I'll have to agree with the fact you will get much better support on an Akai machine. But that's really up to the consumer if they want it to base their decision.

Customer support from the company directly and an active user base talking about gear are two different things. And I still think you're wrong, there will be answers on both forums for sure. A lot of newbies over at the MPCforums are actually being ignored more than on the MV nation site. Although that forum certainly seems to have a bad reputation on being a bit rougher. That makes sense though when people post insane comments on how the 'timing is off' and that kind of nonsense without even owning an MV.

You seem to be stuck in believing the popularity or size of the community of a forum defines how fast or well answers are answered, but to be honest in most cases the manual is where the real info is at, as explained before. Your argument still doesn't make much sense to me.

The support from Akai (Akai Updated) might not be the greatest
...so why would we care for a forum that might respond a bit faster again if Akai doesn't fix bugs that shouldn't have been in there since product launch? I'm not anti-Akai, nor pro-Roland, but you still sound like you're defending Akai like nothing happened with the MPC5000.

I mean their is a reason why MPC's are more popular, that's because it cant be replicated but just imitated. The MPC has a certain trademark feel like no other.
Hah, now that's plain bs. :p First of all, there is no trademark feel on MPCs, that's a silly myth. I own and use many Akai MPCs and other brand machines and there's really nothing on there that makes it more easy to produce a certain type of beat. Most if not all machines can literally make all kinds of beats, and if you can play properly, it will sound more natural or more of a swing type beat.

The swing on an MPC that many think you get with its quantize is also the very same you can get on an MV or any other beat machine. In fact, I dare to challenge you in how the MV can do a lot more when it comes to quantize and tweaking the feel of a beat down to the details. If you think the MV for some odd reason produces only robotic beats, you're very very wrong.

As an owner of both MPCs and MVs I can assure you most of it is actually the result of how a user plays the pads. There is no 'make swing beat' switch on the MPC and there is no 'make swing beat' switch on the MV either. Quantize fixes timing errors or changes it, it doesn't add pad play or make it natural! It usually does the opposite. Maximum quantize means robotic timings.

In my obviously much more objective opinion it has everything to do with how many people know a brand and much less whether the MPC truly swings better compared to an MV. Don't forget quantize is basically by definition something that will take the human factor out of a beat if overused or used in a bad way.

MPC 5000 is like a MPC 2500 with some minor additions but heres the catch the source code for that is private and an outside programmer like JJ is not able to put out firmwares for that machine.
You really don't know what the **** you're talking about. Non of the source codes from operating systems of Akai samplers were ever made public by Akai. JJOS was made by a third party, actually a group of Japanese programmers that had little to do with Akai.

Akai even tried to benefit from the JJOS hype by spreading false rumors of JJOS programmers having worked on the MPC5000, or even that the MPC5000 ran on 'JJOS'. It couldn't be further from the truth and Akai is making much progress on fixing all the bugs.

But thats not all, the most important part is both an MPC and MV are just hardware at the end of the day its how it was programmed that counts. One of the most coolest part of JJOS is that they actually listen to you.
They (who are 'they' anyway? the jjos programmers? hahaha, right) don't listen to you, they mostly do as they please, but they do add things many people are interested in. They like feedback, but in no way do they 'do what you want'.

When it comes to hardware machines like this, the technological limitations really define a machine. The MV blows the mpc2500 out of the water when it comes to it's specs, that's just a fact.
 
Customer support from the company directly and an active user base talking about gear are two different things.

I agree.

And I still think you're wrong, there will be answers on both forums for sure. A lot of newbies over at the MPCforums are actually being ignored more than on the MV nation site. Although that forum certainly seems to have a bad reputation on being a bit rougher. That makes sense though when people post insane comments on how the 'timing is off' and that kind of nonsense without even owning an MV.

That's the thing "a lot of newbies" the reason they are ignored is simple, they don't use the search functions for questions that's been asked a million times, and even then rarely. That forum def believes in using the search function and they will be sure to make you know that.

But like was said earlier Akai MPC are more popuar, that being the case you can be helped "locally" from those that own one. It's really not that difficult to understand.

You really don't know what the **** you're talking about. Non of the source codes from operating systems of Akai samplers were ever made public by Akai. JJOS was made by a third party, actually a group of Japanese programmers that had little to do with Akai.

First of all I never said they were made public. If anything I'm saying Akai should make the source codes public, and its not just me, check out this petition (Akaios . com ) I'm not going to get into the history of how JJOS originated, that doesn't have anything to do with what I said.

Also a joke was made on mpcforums that the MPC 5000 should of been called "MPC3500" for the reason that I stated.It has even been said that supposely it was called "MPC3500" during the Beta testing phase, but changed for marketing reasons.

The MPC 5000 is not even a competitor for the the older MPC4k.

Akai even tried to benefit from the JJOS hype by spreading false rumors of JJOS programmers having worked on the MPC5000, or even that the MPC5000 ran on 'JJOS'. It couldn't be further from the truth and Akai is making much progress on fixing all the bugs.

I never heard of that rumor and anyone who even has a clue on what JJOS is would know that rumor is pure BS. It was even announced from JJ himself that no JJOS will ever be made for the 5k.

They (who are 'they' anyway? the jjos programmers? hahaha, right) don't listen to you, they mostly do as they please, but they do add things many people are interested in. They like feedback, but in no way do they 'do what you want'.
I'm just saying what I've seen. He has a thread available for feature request and a contact form on his site where bug fixes can be reported. You cant compare the turn around time JJ has over Akai with that stuff. He'll "blow them out of the water". Of course the thread contains unrealistic features request that can not be implemented due to hardware limitation but that's is pretty obvious, and of course it is his final decision on what goes, but he is simply providing JJOS for profit. Listening is one part to ensuring sales.

When it comes to hardware machines like this, the technological limitations really define a machine.

Like I said limitation to hardware is obvious, even the MV has limitation like any other machine, but that does not mean the software side should lack. Sometimes its not about hardware specs but how intuitive the work flow can be.

The MV blows the mpc2500 out of the water when it comes to it's specs, that's just a fact.

Comparing the 2500 and MV spec wise is just stupid. The MV was not even meant to compete with the 2500, but more the MPC 4000.

The mpc 2500 is not my standalone machine, its my centerpiece. If someone wants a standalone machine maybe the MV is a right choice for them. It does not fit my needs, but it might fit someones else.

This leads me to what I've said earlier
"Simple their is no right or wrong choice. If you really want to know which one would benefit "you" most then you will need to learn the basics of both machine and figure it out, weight the pros and cons of each machine."

But this is a endless debate so I'm done.
 
Are you kidding? that's the only time you post on this forum.

Contrary to you, I don't have a lot of time to post, so that's why. It has nothing to do with a brand preference.

I don't have a brand preference and have both MPCs and MVs. But I seriously can not stand the whole MPC vs. MV deal, when like 90% of the people here either have a software controller and Fruity Loops or MPCs and know jack about the MV. That's all.
 
The MPC 5000 is not even a competitor for the the older MPC4k.

You're wrong as the MPC5000 was meant to be the new flagship MPC. It failed at that and that was all I am saying. The fact that you compare the 2500 to the MV as if they are even remotely close in specs is just nuts.

That's the thing "a lot of newbies" the reason they are ignored is simple, they don't use the search functions for questions that's been asked a million times, and even then rarely. That forum def believes in using the search function and they will be sure to make you know that.

No, there are plenty of people with stupid attitudes. Simple questions won't even get proper answers, because 95% feels too good to enlighten the newbie. That just plain sucks and won't help you despite MPCs being popular and possibly more widespread. It doesn't necessarily mean even your next door neighbor has one though, that argument is just silly.

But like was said earlier Akai MPC are more popuar, that being the case you can be helped "locally" from those that own one. It's really not that difficult to understand.

They're really not as widespread as you seem to believe, the sampler market is very much a niche market.

I'm not going to get into the history of how JJOS originated, that doesn't have anything to do with what I said.

It has everything to do with you said, as you claimed Akai had anything to do with JJOS. It has not.

Also a joke was made on mpcforums that the MPC 5000 should of been called "MPC3500" for the reason that I stated.It has even been said that supposely it was called "MPC3500" during the Beta testing phase, but changed for marketing reasons.

You're twisting reality, the MPC5000 is the MPC3500, but it indeed got a name change for the sake of marketing. Akai fears the MV and with the 4000 being discontinued, they had to do that.

It was even announced from JJ himself that no JJOS will ever be made for the 5k.

That's because he knows jack about the 5000 OS, I am fully aware of that.

I'm just saying what I've seen. He has a thread available for feature request and a contact form on his site where bug fixes can be reported. You cant compare the turn around time JJ has over Akai with that stuff. He'll "blow them out of the water".

That may be true, the JJ guy is not Akai. I agree JJOS for the 2500 or 1000 is really a worthy purchase, but you're acting like JJ is Akai. It's not. In fact, the MV already has many features that JJ put into the 1000 and 2500 series through his OS hack.

Like I said limitation to hardware is obvious, even the MV has limitation like any other machine, but that does not mean the software side should lack. Sometimes its not about hardware specs but how intuitive the work flow can be.

What exactly do you claim here? That the software of the MV is bad or lacks lots of features? That's neither true, nor does it show that you know the MV. As I've already noticed.

Comparing the 2500 and MV spec wise is just stupid. The MV was not even meant to compete with the 2500, but more the MPC 4000.

It's not at all stupid when on the secondhand market you can get an MV for the same price or less as an MPC2500. It's underrated so much that people sell it for cheap and it's therefore a very good or even better choice.

The mpc 2500 is not my standalone machine, its my centerpiece. If someone wants a standalone machine maybe the MV is a right choice for them. It does not fit my needs, but it might fit someones else.

Which again shows you don't know how much the MV resembles the MPC series in that respect, as it will also easily function as a centerpiece machine. I tend to have all kinds of modules and machines hooked to it. You're really only familiar with your 2500, it's obvious.
 
My neighbor has a MV8800, I have the MPC 2500...now if you ask me the feature set in the MV8800 is greater because its a computer once you hook up the monitor and mouse, and its clean but you have to upgrade the MV8800 to 512MB Ram, you have to upgrade the MPC to 128 Ram but to me though honestly, I think the MPC is just a tad bit bettter...It has a superior sequencer, and when you hit the pads its on point, it seems that on my friends MV8800 that there is a little latency like when you hit the pads it doesnt record on time like the MPC does, I recommend MPC 2500 with JJOS Upgrade, even though I dont use JJ OS i heard and read its the chop shop monster
 
Contrary to you, I don't have a lot of time to post, so that's why.

Well you have time to get in this stupid debate every week.

I don't have a brand preference and have both MPCs and MVs. But I seriously can not stand the whole MPC vs. MV deal, when like 90% of the people here either have a software controller and Fruity Loops or MPCs and know jack about the MV.

All you ever post about is bad mouthing MPCs and **** jockey MV's it's getting old, you're obviously a fanboy.
 
roland mv8800 or akai 2500? what is better for hip hop production and why? is there a definitive winner?

I like the mpc's sequencer better.

The MV8800 probably has a better sampler though. I played with an MV-8000 a few years ago and didn't like the sequencer, but I am not a big fan on Roland sequencers, they have a non-direct interface for recording.


I would only get an MPC though if I was sequencing external midi modules.
 
I like the mpc's sequencer better.

The MV8800 probably has a better sampler though. I played with an MV-8000 a few years ago and didn't like the sequencer, but I am not a big fan on Roland sequencers, they have a non-direct interface for recording.

A non-direct what? It's much more straightforward as the MPCs will ever be. There are basically no annoying menus like you get on the 2500.

I know I will sound like a fanboy saying this too much, but the MV is easily more intuitive in how it's sequencer works. There's also no input latency at all (in fact, the MPC has input latency and I'm not joking), the only thing that does lag behind a bit on the MV is the scrolling VGA (barely noticeable though).

But hey anybody will know that for proper sequencing you will have to pay attention to the metronome, not the scrolling screen.
 
The MV has 4 outs - digital and mix Outs. The digital out is independent of the mix out and is fully assignable to any stereo pair . This means you can isolate any track/part/pad to set up a 4 out config like 1/2=mix + 7\8+ digital. The point is that have 4 Ind.Outs if you chose to you them as such. The MV8-OP1 is nice if you have it but you're not as limited as you might think.
 
It has everything to do with you said, as you claimed Akai had anything to do with JJOS. It has not.
To answer it again, no I do not believe Akai had anything to do with JJ, and never did. I don't know how that even came up ?

To me the MV is too much like a DAW. It seems like its basically a computer boxed up as a drum machine. I don't like that style of sequencing, I can pretty much make a beat on any type of machine or DAW. But I like my 2500.

At one point I used to ask questions about the MV vs MPC's before I owned any equipment, hence the name Roland00.

Am I bias, technically since I own an Akai product, I'm not hiding the fact that I prefer it.

I'm not trying to say one is better either, clearly on paper the MV spec wise can do more, but that's not enough for them to get my business.

At the end of the day I'm not knocking anyone using an MV, if you know the ins and out and enjoy it that's what matters.
 
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damn yall still arguing about this. I really dont care what machine someone else uses or doesnt. if u could make a beat by slapping your nuts withh a hammer while burning your dick with battery acid and its a dope beat I will encourage you to continue using your method.
 
damn yall still arguing about this. I really dont care what machine someone else uses or doesnt. if u could make a beat by slapping your nuts withh a hammer while burning your dick with battery acid and its a dope beat I will encourage you to continue using your method.

YOU STOLE MY BEATMAKING METHOD! Back to the drawing board
 
Wassup People.

Both of you are right in a way. As for me, I own both machines, the MV8800 & the MPC 1000, I have also owned a MPC2500, 2000Xl, ASR10, and I still have a Triton. With that being said I have a little experience, just a little.
The way I see it, "Everyone likes to work differently"
Yes there will be learning curves with both machines but there are certain things that some machines do "easier, more efficient or it is just easier for some people to grasp the inner workings of how to use them.

For instance the "Time Compression on the ASR10 was OK (I never used it on loops because it was hard to figure out what your tempo was gonna end up as, but I would use it for single drum hits) but when you used the same feature on the MPC 200Xl you were able to use it more efficiently because you were given a tempo that your loop was and a tempo that you wanted your loop to be.

Now, if you compare the same feature on the MV8800 and the MPC 1000 you find that the MPC1000 "Time compression" works pretty much like the 2000XL but when you look at the MV8800 that feature is called "Time stretch" (Same thing) but you are given a "Rate" which means a percentage and "Time" you want the sound to be stretched to. (MIND YOU, THIS IS DESTRUCTIVE EDITING) You could also do this in the MV8800 a different way (NON DESTRUCTIVE)
Does this make one machine better than the other? It's just that one user may take to one machine easier than the other.
It's really what the user does or how he/she uses the equipment they have.

Peace.
 
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^^^ Great points The Invisible Men.

Try before you buy! That's the key! Decide for yourself.

The one thing I do read from people who went from an MPC to an MV is that they didn't really get a chance to learn the MV. It is not another AKAI MPC and people want it to be. Also I read that most people don't like the MV because it doesn't have this feature or that feature and come to find out they were still using the original OS from when it came from the factory. They never upgraded the OS that upgraded the features on it!
For me though, I have a 2000XL, MV-8000, ASR-10 and Logic 9 so I can go round and round about which is better for sampling... but it's all up to the individual.
 
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