bkd3vil said:
lol yo wat u got against composing? the first hip hop song rappers delight was done with live instruments. I just asked a question wanted 2 no if something was musically incorrect if didnt have chords because im taking music theory and chords seem important in it and every1s blowing it outta proportion. im not trynna start a sampling vs. composing war.
1) I have nothing against composing... I have a problem with non hiphop(minded) or entities trying seek justification within this genre. 2) just to add to what I said in the 1st statement... the 1st hiphop song wasn't Rappers Delight(ask Grandmaster Caz about the "1st ghostwritten song" in hiphop) and how can you even use THAT SONG AS AN EXAMPLE ANYWAY... IT WASN'T EVEN AN ORIGINAL SONG... you can ask Nile Rogers of CHIC regarding that(a recreation of 'goodtimes'). See what I mean? In a circle of ignorance... you might look like the messiah.
I see there's a dude talking about "a hiphop session musician"(who? The Roots). Man... you cats are grasping at straws.
Please don't start bogus threads like these... the true intent is transparent and pointless.
sellinbeats said:
music madmixa its about music. theory on chords has to do with music. dre could have started out playing a harmonica and still be the shyit today. why? not cause of hiphop. its music. a pianist working on hiphop just for money or not being able to hang with other live musitions? you figured it out.....glad your here to tell it like it is. thats one problem with hiphop, nobody likes change or to evolve. no cant do that, it has to be about the roots of hiphop. neaver about music. and phuck what everyone on fp thinks of me, i hope everyone else feels the same(not for my sake). if hiphop phucked off and died today i wouldnt care cause the "musition in me" loves music. not somethin that was cool to do in 95. lets face it everyone, live music is the best thing to listen to, with hiphop or not.
Name me a successful harmonica player on that level of achievement. I name you at least 20 hiphop DJ's, at least 20 emcees, etc... that are really are!
You call it change or evolution... OK, I just bought a Triton... I am now a pianist... rrriiiiGgggght. I say what I say because I've seen the impact that "this change and evolution" has brought... musicians without a home. I remember when musicians denounced hiphop, said it wouldn't last, sued for usage,etc.., now... that it makes money, now... that the same hiphop tools are mainly what you hear in the mainstream... now 'we' hear the "IT'S ALL MUSIC" speeches. The real fact is that these cornball discusions didn't pop up when electronic hiphop was kicking off in the 80's or when Live bands were incorporated into the scheme of things... YOU CATS DIDN'T START TALKING CRAZY UNTIL THE NEED FOR LIVE MUSICIANS WAS REPLACED WITH TECHNOLOGY(THUS YOUR "ADVANCEMENTS & EVOLUTION"). Now, if you really want re-establish the way of the musician... reclaim your throne in the R&B genre. Re-establish yourself in a genre that WAS DEFINED BY MUSICIANS AND ARTISTS.
Straight up, musicians and real singers were RAN out of that genre(you now find them in NEO SOUL, played on sunday in 1 hour time slot)... and you expect hiphop to accept anything that washes up on the beach?! Naw, that's how music get watered down and devalued...
you don't hear of this "technology and evolution" crap in COUNTRY MUSIC(the leading seller worldwide).
Until you realize what was done and realize how it was done... you're only bringing over damaged goods to a new location.
I really do hope you understand what I saying.
And don't even get me start with distribution.
For the record, I'm not denouncing musicians... I want to motivate them to be united and regain their essence and "soul"... particularly in the R&B and Soul genres. I want to hear their work in the mainstream. I want to be able to buy and present their works to the masses, but for that to happen... these musicians have to regain their heritage.
There was a reason why joints like 'More Bounce to the Ounce' or countless others didn't need to gain a hiphop crowd to be successful.
Something, outside of the family, determined what 'we' should be exposed to... musicians can reclaim their status if they build... together. Most hiphop producers don't claim to be musicians.