houseofthesun
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"do you honestly think i was arguing against you? how do you figure?"
sorry argue was the wrong word and i didnt mean it the way you have taken it, please dont be defensive or take me as defensive. i was meaning how you said that " I don't really see the point of bringing in all the QP stuff and all that, its a really simple concept."
and yes i take it that i havnt explanid what i have ment properly for you to understand what i mean.
"you are so sure that we are writing you off and that we have such a closed view of this, and that you alone are enlightened and we fail to see "the light", but seriously, you aren't making an extremely clear,"
sorry to sound the way i have i am not trying to preach here that i have seen the light or whatever, and yes i will say it again i understand how it is so far unclear, i have yet got my dad to get his stuff together to do the post which will explain it all in clear, this is where i can go over his research and fill in alot off blanks i have left here. well 1 i cant preach because many times i have said this i am only a student here, and i feel after writing that alot of people have come into the disscussion as teachers but that aside, i dont think anyone has researched or looked into this the way my father or i have, and was hopeing this disscussion would find other people that have either looked at it this way or people that can mention other people that have looked it at this way.
"And its slightly condescending to assume you know better and that "its not known to (me)". I'll go by the four years of study at NYU, jobs i've had with people like Luke Chadabe (if you don't know then I'm not the one who needs enlightening) and the engineers at Electric Lady Studios (jimi hendrix's studio). you may be 100% right, you just aren't articulating what you are talking about very well."
good to see you have some experince in the feild of music. but the whole i know more than you and you know more than me thing please not needed as everyone will know more than another in little side subjects to large subjects, im really not trying to say i know everything, if i did i wouldnt be here wanting to talk and think of these things.
but you might be right in saying i need education as i do not know who Luke Chadabe but i do know who Alan zavod is as he has been to my house a few times and also as a kid i have met him at studios with my dad as my dad has done alot of work with him google search if you havnt heard of him but with your knowledge im shure you would have.
i tried a google search for Luke Chadabe but found nothing on the first 2 pages so gave up.
but back to what the post is about.
"as far as application of the harmonic series to acoustics...,
as said above waiting for my father to get his papers together he will also help with explaining it better, his english is well above mine, you shouldnt find it hard to understand. but yes the higher harmonics cant be heard by our ears as we drop out before 20k.
"As far as the "2 notes creating a 3rd" or whatever it was...
In acoustic terms, say you have a bass guitar note. its all big and fat and tasty and deep. Then you play it on a crappy car stereo that can't hit a low bass note to save its life. You still hear what note its playing right? Even though its nowhere near hitting, say, a 35Htz note. You don't just hear silence when it goes and hits a low note. You are hearing the upper harmonics of that note, and because of the relationship (mathematically) to each other, your brain can fill in the missing fundamental and....it isn't actually there, you are not hearing it, its not "created" but your brain can interpret what the missing frequency is and give you the impression of that note"
ok sorry before was a short answer.
what you are talking about here is not a missing fundamental, the fundamental was allways there in what you have described. what im talking about is what has been called in quantum phisics as the missing fundamnetal.
take a guitar and move above the 12 freet lets say use the B at the 12 freet on the B string and the and the A on the 14th freet on the G string hit the 2 notes together now hit them together again but this time slowly bend up the g string very slowly and keep control, can you hear the bass note comeing from nowhere, this bass note was not created from an original bass note than put on a stereo with speakers that wont pick up its freaquancy range but has been created from 2 notes higher up the octaves, and as you bend up the bass note bends down and vice versa. I know what your talking about with your brain being able to create the fundamental note from harmonics of the original fundamental note. but i am talking about a bass note thats been created, and not being there to begin with as you suggest with the car stereo analogy.
sorry argue was the wrong word and i didnt mean it the way you have taken it, please dont be defensive or take me as defensive. i was meaning how you said that " I don't really see the point of bringing in all the QP stuff and all that, its a really simple concept."
and yes i take it that i havnt explanid what i have ment properly for you to understand what i mean.
"you are so sure that we are writing you off and that we have such a closed view of this, and that you alone are enlightened and we fail to see "the light", but seriously, you aren't making an extremely clear,"
sorry to sound the way i have i am not trying to preach here that i have seen the light or whatever, and yes i will say it again i understand how it is so far unclear, i have yet got my dad to get his stuff together to do the post which will explain it all in clear, this is where i can go over his research and fill in alot off blanks i have left here. well 1 i cant preach because many times i have said this i am only a student here, and i feel after writing that alot of people have come into the disscussion as teachers but that aside, i dont think anyone has researched or looked into this the way my father or i have, and was hopeing this disscussion would find other people that have either looked at it this way or people that can mention other people that have looked it at this way.
"And its slightly condescending to assume you know better and that "its not known to (me)". I'll go by the four years of study at NYU, jobs i've had with people like Luke Chadabe (if you don't know then I'm not the one who needs enlightening) and the engineers at Electric Lady Studios (jimi hendrix's studio). you may be 100% right, you just aren't articulating what you are talking about very well."
good to see you have some experince in the feild of music. but the whole i know more than you and you know more than me thing please not needed as everyone will know more than another in little side subjects to large subjects, im really not trying to say i know everything, if i did i wouldnt be here wanting to talk and think of these things.
but you might be right in saying i need education as i do not know who Luke Chadabe but i do know who Alan zavod is as he has been to my house a few times and also as a kid i have met him at studios with my dad as my dad has done alot of work with him google search if you havnt heard of him but with your knowledge im shure you would have.
i tried a google search for Luke Chadabe but found nothing on the first 2 pages so gave up.
but back to what the post is about.
"as far as application of the harmonic series to acoustics...,
as said above waiting for my father to get his papers together he will also help with explaining it better, his english is well above mine, you shouldnt find it hard to understand. but yes the higher harmonics cant be heard by our ears as we drop out before 20k.
"As far as the "2 notes creating a 3rd" or whatever it was...
In acoustic terms, say you have a bass guitar note. its all big and fat and tasty and deep. Then you play it on a crappy car stereo that can't hit a low bass note to save its life. You still hear what note its playing right? Even though its nowhere near hitting, say, a 35Htz note. You don't just hear silence when it goes and hits a low note. You are hearing the upper harmonics of that note, and because of the relationship (mathematically) to each other, your brain can fill in the missing fundamental and....it isn't actually there, you are not hearing it, its not "created" but your brain can interpret what the missing frequency is and give you the impression of that note"
ok sorry before was a short answer.
what you are talking about here is not a missing fundamental, the fundamental was allways there in what you have described. what im talking about is what has been called in quantum phisics as the missing fundamnetal.
take a guitar and move above the 12 freet lets say use the B at the 12 freet on the B string and the and the A on the 14th freet on the G string hit the 2 notes together now hit them together again but this time slowly bend up the g string very slowly and keep control, can you hear the bass note comeing from nowhere, this bass note was not created from an original bass note than put on a stereo with speakers that wont pick up its freaquancy range but has been created from 2 notes higher up the octaves, and as you bend up the bass note bends down and vice versa. I know what your talking about with your brain being able to create the fundamental note from harmonics of the original fundamental note. but i am talking about a bass note thats been created, and not being there to begin with as you suggest with the car stereo analogy.
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i really think everyone is trying to get what you are saying, really. I'm not writing you off at all or saying i know more.
a bit of oversimplified but i want everyone to understand. Anyway i have to admit that the basic concept you are researching on is very interesting and i have researched on this as well but i just ended up producing some rules of thumb for practical use, which i think is he most productive way to get into it.
