Punjabi MC and HipHop's State

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I'm gonna haveta admit. I like the track with Jay-z called Beware. In fact I think it's the hottest track that has been released as of late. I find that either people love this track or they hate it beyond belief. Incorporating different world rhythms and styles has been a fad recently in hiphop. Diwali, Bangra (i think thats what this india stuff is called) and a range of influences are starting to pop up in hiphop, in a desperate attempt to find new production styles. It seems like producers are reaching outside hiphop to add to it. My question is, how does this make you feel? There are your classic boom and bap fans, and people that like traditional hiphop and don't like the way that hiphop is evolving. For instance Premo swears by staying true to hiphop and it's culture. But, I personally believe that the incorporation of new styles will help breed a new generation of innovation in the rap game. Short and simple, bringing other types of music and blending them with hiphop will bring new sounds. Possibly alternatives to this pop Ja Rule **** that I have to plug my ears to on a daily basis. Any thoughts? Do you like the fact that hiphop tracks are incorporating influences from other cultures?
 
I think hip Hop is headed in a bad direction.....Downward Spiral....


Its trying to do too many genres at the same time now- and isn't remaining pure...

Hell, the emceeing hasn't been pure since 94......


Its nice to use other cultures once in a while- but its absurd these days.......

And I can't stand the techno/rap beats either.....That shiet's wack and ain't got no soul.....

Hip hop is losing the soul I think.....It needs to go back.....

Which is why that Young Guns song is aite......At least its hip hip-
 
Hip hop will be spinning off into something else in about 5-7 years. Somebody unknown will introduce a style and somebody else will jack that fool and get rich off it...therefore opening a huge hole for copycats who wil cash in.

After this disco/grunge like period, everything will go way, way back...to like a pre-80's style of rap and....

That's it.
 
What's pure hip-hop? Hiphop started out with rapping over disco music. So if you really want ot talk about purity, let's keep it real. The boom bap era was an evolution, it was not the beginning. Granted, it may have the distinction of being rap's golden era, but it was not the ground zero of hiphop evolution.
That being said, hiphop production has always had a history of borrowing from other music genres, whether it be disco, heavy metal, classic rock, jazz, classical, acoustic, r&b, house, or soul. This East Indian influence is just a new chapter in hiphop sample production. When that wears thin, we'll find something else to sample. For all you Triton lovers/users, the keyboard of choose before that was the Kurzweil K2000. The Triton will eventually sound outdated, and some other board will take its place. There's nothing wrong with change, or evolution. Hiphop would be stale without it.
 
Ikemurda said:
What's pure hip-hop? Hiphop started out with rapping over disco music. So if you really want ot talk about purity, let's keep it real. The boom bap era was an evolution, it was not the beginning. Granted, it may have the distinction of being rap's golden era, but it was not the ground zero of hiphop evolution.
That being said, hiphop production has always had a history of borrowing from other music genres, whether it be disco, heavy metal, classic rock, jazz, classical, acoustic, r&b, house, or soul. This East Indian influence is just a new chapter in hiphop sample production. When that wears thin, we'll find something else to sample. For all you Triton lovers/users, the keyboard of choose before that was the Kurzweil K2000. The Triton will eventually sound outdated, and some other board will take its place. There's nothing wrong with change, or evolution. Hiphop would be stale without it.
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Perfectly stated Brother Ike. That piece you just wrote should be forwarded to journalists who critque hip hop.
 
CASTLE HILL said:


Perfectly stated Brother Ike. That piece you just wrote should be forwarded to journalists who critque hip hop.
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Minus the typos, of course.:)
 
I agree....Well put. I get tired of people dictating what hip-hop should be. Life is about change, evolution, it is what it is.
 
GamezBond said:
I think hip Hop is headed in a bad direction.....Downward Spiral....


Its trying to do too many genres at the same time now- and isn't remaining pure...

Hell, the emceeing hasn't been pure since 94......


Its nice to use other cultures once in a while- but its absurd these days.......

And I can't stand the techno/rap beats either.....That shiet's wack and ain't got no soul.....

Hip hop is losing the soul I think.....It needs to go back.....

Which is why that Young Guns song is aite......At least its hip hip-
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That young gunz song is whats wrong with rap.

Can't stop won't stop, generic ass beat, and weak ass lyrics.
 
No- Its a beat w/ some flowing.....

Thats the way things were back in the day.....

I think its a lot better than some of the Mozart bs goin round
 
am i completely on my own in thinking that nas-i know ican be what i wanna be.,or whatever.,has both the worst piano sample and most cringeworthy chorus for a long time.,i like classical samples but not used in that way.,hmm maybe this is the wrong thread to post on whatever.,
i love bhangra it rules!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11111111
 
Clockwerk said:
It seems like producers are reaching outside hiphop to add to it. My question is, how does this make you feel?
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No offense, but are you a retard? Hip-hop music is all about taking the best of the breaks from every type of music out there and incorparting into a format to flow to. Aint no big deal, and right now middle eastern and mainly indian rhythms are hot just like a couple years back the latin thing was hot.

As far as what Ike was saying about the Triton, I think that is whats wrong with hip hop, every damn song sounds the same, because every one uses the same keyboard, at least witrh sampling you have more flexibility, after all whats the difference between using a patch on your Triton and sampling a one second rhodes hit from a crusty old record with your ASR. Nothing really.
 
"you must learn to control your anger" says the mysterious indian from mystery men "or your anger will control you"

ahhhhh.,lets reverse some more phrases.,we can all become pshychologists!
 
Breaks were essentially taken from soul/funk records in the beginning. Traditional hiphop used these breaks and usually hits or samples from mostly James Brown records. No, I am not a retard. Yes, offense taken. You took what I said and totally flipped it into something different. What I was trying to say is that it does bother some people when hiphop diffuses further and further away from where it was first started. Lately producers _are_ reaching further and further away from where hiphop was based. Two turntables, a break beat and a mic. Believe it or not there are people who are severly pissed off that hiphop has shifted from its raw form. I was asking if it bothered people that other cultures music were being used and no, It doesnt both me. The genre in the golden age had mostly stuck to sampling funk/soul and jazz. Oh and if people learned how to mess with presets we wouldnt have the Triton problem. You also have to remember tho that A&R execs only want to here a production that is totally new, or something that sounds current. Triton is industry standard for current, just like the crappy old Roland D-50 that I have was back in the 80s. They'll move on to another keyboard soon enough.
 
dont pick faults with other people or your faults will pick at you
ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
 
Clockwerk said:
It seems like producers are reaching outside hiphop to add to it. My question is, how does this make you feel?
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Nothing is outside of Hip Hop, its an ever changing thing which means it will never die, adaptable is the word.. Hip Hop adapts to suit current trends... Ike said it all really
 
I think REbellion made sense in the post before this one. It's everchanging, and that's a good thing. It won't be long before Fip-Fop goes al glitch and IDM on us, that will be a sifght to witness.
 
I dont agree with most of you. I think teenage girls are dictating the direction hip-hop is heading in. To me, its not evolution when somebody stumbles upon another genre and fuses into hip-hop, and then for the next two years, youve got to suffer through endless copycats. Yeah, the golden era of hip-hop was more raw, cuz real men like Rakim, KRS, and JERU were runnin it, and dictating their own music. It was more about the Rhymes(which had more substance) then just about the beat, like it is now. Thats why back then, if you sucked, you couldnt hang. Now, you got all these garbage M.C's gettin on and stayin on because they "Look Good", and because their beats are "Jiggy". Most of these cats on now wouldnt even have made it on during the golden era. When men was runnin the show. The reason why producers sampled mainly funk/soul and jazz, was because it was still rooted in Black culture, the beats, as well as the rhymes. Now, its rooted in every culture except one, AFRICAN. I havent heard nobody fusin hip-hop with African beats, not since Jungle Brothers. Like Primo said, "Hip-hop is wack right now". Its got to come back to its roots one day, or else the tree will die. No doubt!
 
kaliyl said:
Now, its rooted in every culture except one, AFRICAN. I havent heard nobody fusin hip-hop with African beats, not since Jungle Brothers.
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There are quite a few tunes out using African samples, Wyclef uses alot and Busta uses a few. in fact, to really delve into that issue alot of riddims are used from countries like Africa and the Carrib.
 
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