Compressors, How many do we need?

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Hi All,
I have a Behringer Ultra Dyne 9024, (really cool unit by the way)
my freind on the other hand has at least 6 different types of compressors.
worth a lot of $$$$$$$.
my question is, how many compressors do you really need, won't 1 compressor do the job well??
how many compressor do you own???
 
Lots! You want to compress each background vocal track.

And you want a separate compressor for the lead (and the double). And one for the snare, one for the kick, and maybe one for a drum room mix.

You want a lot of compressors if you're doing your mixing or multitracking via analog (and who wouldn't, given the choice?). and you want them to have different flavors, too. (punchy for the drums, punchy or laid-back for the bass, depending, transparent for the vocals...).

My opinion.

-Hoax
 
Hi there.It depends on what purpose you want these compressors.On a liveset or recording with analog instruments you need them mostly for vocals and drums to keep dynamics range in control.Behringer has good low budget compressors with many functions like limiter,gate,d-esser,tube emulation etc but if you want to go pro i would recommend a dbx.I have a dbx 1066 and a focusrite red 3.
 
Duman said:
Hi there.It depends on what purpose you want these compressors.On a liveset or recording with analog instruments you need them mostly for vocals and drums to keep dynamics range in control.Behringer has good low budget compressors with many functions like limiter,gate,d-esser,tube emulation etc but if you want to go pro i would recommend a dbx.I have a dbx 1066 and a focusrite red 3.

I want to be able to get maximum punch out of my recordings, for Dance music,
Can I ask Duman why you use these models for?
 
In the world of real hardware - compressors & their circuitry all impart different characteristics on the signals passed through them. Some classic compressors such as the Urei 1176 are paricularly in demand for this reason. Read the review here:

http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/jun01/articles/universal1176.htm


It's not just a case of signal attenuation, but all the tiny subtle changes to sounds like the use of valves etc....

Some compressors are rated highly for dealing with vocals & others for drums... personally i think there's a lot of BS talked about it though.

MM
 
I use these models on live sets and studio for some basic compression on vocals(to keep dynamics in control and slightly over the other instruments) and drums(to prevent my mic's from ''bleeding'' with sound coming from other parts of the drum set.Also dynamics control and to prevent some tails on the sound of the drum set to make it more staccato).But as i understand you want to learn about mastering.This is a key proccess for your sound to gain that extra edge.The mastering procedure is combining compression and EQ.You can find a good guide for mastering here:http://www.recordingwebsite.com/articles/mastering.php

i hope it will help you.
 
People that put compression on everything either A) are punks who don't know how to set levels in a mix, B) are working with people who can't play worth a damn, C) are chumps who can't hear what they are mixing cuz they're deaf or their monitors suck, D) are just ignorant and don't know any better because they've never played music themselves, so don't understand the importance of dynamics in expressiveness of sound, and read too many magazine advertisements.

The less compression you can get away with, the more expressive your sound will be. The reason why folks like stuff all kinds of compressed for dance music is that they try to drive sound systems to their absolute limits in SPL, even if it sounds like crap so that it's just loud. It's so they can keep up with the next record and make it cut through no matter how loud the other record is, or how little the DJ knows about running a mixer, especially one with an EQ on it. When I hear loud but sounds like crap, know what I do? I put the record back in its sleeve and leave it for the next chump while I go to the counter with the older bumpin stuff that might be a little quieter, but sounds so much more alive. As for my own stuff...it all depends on what I'm aking, and where it's gonna be played.
There's no cut and dried answer. Having the differnt ones is nice, but you don't need to use them all every time, and in fact I would try to avoid it as compression typically adds distortion.

Ape
 
pongoid, I'll agree with that post, with this edit:

Just because you have a lot of compressors doesn't mean that you "put compression on everything".

Compression isn't a substitute for good ears, ever.

But...

Some of us make our money by recording folks who come into our studios. Some of these folks bring in session players who've never heard the music. Some of these folks never practice together without a PA.

Therefore...

The innate dynamic sense of some of these folks is fücked. It ain't your job to teach each of these people how to play with the band that they've known for 30 minutes. It ain't your job to teach the band how to leave space for an as-yet-unknown player. It's your job to make all these pieces fit together into a seamless mix. Dynamic control is essential for this.

Or...

You might wish to shape the drum sound to be larger-than-life, because the arrangement of the song leaves lots of open space which can be fruitfully taken up by making the drummer sound huge. In this case, you're looking to make the drums larger-than-life.

In general, I agree with you - the fewer compressors you can get away with, the better, for acoustic music, and for music in which the musicians' feel for tonal balance is paramount. (Not often New R'nB - as distinct from old r'nB, which had Real People playing Real Instruments and relied a great deal on personal feel and dynamics.

But sometimes you're given a situation to deal with which is less than ideal. Maybe it's pre-recorded tracks which the band insists on keeping. Maybe it's a particular player with his dynamic sense warped by playing only in headphones. Maybe it's a less-than-ideal acoustic environment.

The fact remains that comprossors are good problem-solving tools when confronted with a situation beyond your (fader-riding) control, and also when trying to reproduced classic compressed sounds of yore.

A compressor is a tool. That doesn't make it automatically a crutch.

-Hoax
 
Oh yeah, and it's nice to cascade two compressors. You hit each of them a bit differently, but pretty mildly. That way you get more dynamic control, but less artifacts than using a single compressor and making it work harder.

A favorite tool of mine on basses.

-Hoax
 
Cruel Hoax said:
Oh yeah, and it's nice to cascade two compressors. You hit each of them a bit differently, but pretty mildly. That way you get more dynamic control, but less artifacts than using a single compressor and making it work harder.

A favorite tool of mine on basses.

-Hoax

nice tip - thanks, i'll try that out on some agressive bass lines that have been causing me probs.

:)

MM
 
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