RyanTrapstar
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I have some flps and for some of the melodies most of the keys are not on scale
Are ALL melodies on a scale?
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bandcoach
Zukatoku - Mod Scientist
firstly - they are not keys but notes/tones
melodies will relate back to two things with more emphasis given to the one than the other
Chords - the active chord will suggest a temporary home key key/scale/mode according to chord-scale theory (an advanced area of jazz/pop theory)
and
home key - the home key scale/mode will also suggest the more usual path to use notes to create the melody
for example
If I have the chord progression C-F-C-G-C-F-C-D-G (all major chords) the following scales are some possibilities for each chord:
C ~ C major (C-D-E-F-G-A-B-C), G Major (G-A-B-C-D-E-F#-G), F major (F-G-A-Bb-C-D-E-F)
F ~ F major (F-G-A-Bb-C-D-E-F), C major (C-D-E-F-G-A-B-C), Bb Major (B-C-D-Eb-F-G-A-Bb)
G ~ G Major (G-A-B-C-D-E-F#-G), D major (D-E-F#-G-A-B-C#-D), C major (C-D-E-F-G-A-B-C)
D ~ D major (D-E-F#-G-A-B-C#-D), G Major (G-A-B-C-D-E-F#-G), A major (A-B-C#-D-E-F#-G#-A)
however for the most part we are likely to use the scale of C major throughout until the D major chord where we would use the scale of G major temporarily to create a sense of closure to the G chord - the G chord itself would not use the F# but an F to promote the movement back to C major
melodies will relate back to two things with more emphasis given to the one than the other
Chords - the active chord will suggest a temporary home key key/scale/mode according to chord-scale theory (an advanced area of jazz/pop theory)
and
home key - the home key scale/mode will also suggest the more usual path to use notes to create the melody
for example
If I have the chord progression C-F-C-G-C-F-C-D-G (all major chords) the following scales are some possibilities for each chord:
C ~ C major (C-D-E-F-G-A-B-C), G Major (G-A-B-C-D-E-F#-G), F major (F-G-A-Bb-C-D-E-F)
F ~ F major (F-G-A-Bb-C-D-E-F), C major (C-D-E-F-G-A-B-C), Bb Major (B-C-D-Eb-F-G-A-Bb)
G ~ G Major (G-A-B-C-D-E-F#-G), D major (D-E-F#-G-A-B-C#-D), C major (C-D-E-F-G-A-B-C)
D ~ D major (D-E-F#-G-A-B-C#-D), G Major (G-A-B-C-D-E-F#-G), A major (A-B-C#-D-E-F#-G#-A)
however for the most part we are likely to use the scale of C major throughout until the D major chord where we would use the scale of G major temporarily to create a sense of closure to the G chord - the G chord itself would not use the F# but an F to promote the movement back to C major
HalfBlacko0000
Good Music
Yea I have yet to find a set of notes that don't have a scale or relative sometimes I'll just jot down 4 or 5 notes that sound crazy then look up what scale its in or what scale fits best for that song there are 100s of scales so if you can think it up there is a scale for it...at least as far as I can tell I'm still learning
scrapheaper
Moderator
You get chromatic passing notes sometimes, which tend not to fit into any scale.
They don't come up very often in popular music, though
They don't come up very often in popular music, though
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Brightboy
Bright Boy
@bandcoach correct me if I'm wrong but the way I understand it is, every note is on a scale. Therefore all melodies consist of notes on a particular scale. Some melodies only contain notes in a specific scale. And sometimes there will be melodies where all of the notes aren't from the same scale.
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bandcoach
Zukatoku - Mod Scientist
see this https://www.futureproducers.com/for...esign/melody-over-chords-489180/#post49852104 to understand why there can be chromatic notes that are validly part of a scale
e.g. major bebop, minor bebop, dominant bebop, spanish phrygian,
e.g. major bebop, minor bebop, dominant bebop, spanish phrygian,
mwandishi
New member
Okay coach, correct me if I'm wrong. All musical expression has been charted (we have a language to communicate it to others).
If we move outside of a scale/chord structure, we are just dealing with common tones or accidentals which are used frequently in most popular composition.
If we move outside of a scale/chord structure, we are just dealing with common tones or accidentals which are used frequently in most popular composition.
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