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I'm looking at investing some of my hard earned cash into a new computer, but don't have much of a clue as to what hardware components (i.e. soundcards, harddrive, video cards etc.) would make up a reasonibly powerful PC for desk top music production. I have been using an old computer that a friend lent me for the last year (along with fruity loops, soundforge, acid and stuff) but it is pretty slow and powerless and i want to get more serious about my music making.

I am looking at spending about $2000 USD.

So if any peoples can tell'us what their computer setup is like or suggest some good components it would be a great help.

Cheers.
 
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How computer savvy are you? If you think you can build one I will give you a list of componets to assemble a kick a## system. You should be able to put it together way cheaper than 2000. You would come out cheaper and have a better computer by building your own.
 
Effect Mode is on to something.

Once you've decided what to put in and bought it, putting together a machine isn't any harder than putting in a new hard drive or extra ram -- in fact much of it is easier, since you're not wrestling with a machine that's already filled up with add ins and cables.

Think about it... building a machine is pretty much popping a chip onto a motherboard, slapping in some ram, screwing the motherboard into the case, tossing a HD and a CDR in and hooking an IDE cable between them and the MB, and hooking the power connectors to the major parts. Then you toss on an OS and the fun begins...
 
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How computer savvy are you? If you think you can build one I will give you a list of componets to assemble a kick a## system. You should be able to put it together way cheaper than 2000. You would come out cheaper and have a better computer by building your own.

Yeah i am definitly wanting to put one together, so if you have any suggestions as to what is the best hardware components that would be much appriciated.
 
I just priced one using Newegg.com for someone and came in at about 1000.00 without a monitor using the following components

ASUS PT4 with intel chipsets
Pent 4 1.8 processor
500 meg ram
Western Digital 7200 rpm 80 gig HD
CD RW
Floppy
Enlight case
ATI 9000 video card
Windows XP Home

I highly recommend ASUS motherboards. They are rock stable and the instructions that come with them are good for a frist time builder.

Also stick with a MB that has intel chipsets. Avoid Via and Sis since they can cause problems with some high end soundcards.
 
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Near the begninning of 2003 i built myself a new pc after 8 loooong years!

ASUS P4G8X deluxe Motherboard w/ firewire/sound
Pentium 4 2.4Ghz
1024 Mb Ram
GeForce4 Ti4200
80 Gb HD
CD-RW
DVD
Big F*ck-off silver case :D

At time of purchase this was about £800, but I was getting trade prices, (dont ask me how). I agree with tim20 about ASUS, they are very good motherboards but the layout was very messy IMO.

Go for Gigabyte, pretty much same quality, the layout was lot more tidy, its cheaper and the documentation is far better. Theres like a huge fold out poster to let you know whats going on all over the board, was very useful on a pc i built for someone else. Get yourself a lot of ram too, it makes the difference, i take it for granted cos i run so much at once, and without thinking i did it on a mates pc and it wasnt having it!!

Building is definitely the route to go, bundled pc's dont partition your drives, they only give you the drivers they think you need etc. It feels a lot safer when YOU know what u did right from the start.
 
I will have to take a look at the Gigabyte motherboards for future reference.

You mentioned partioning the HD. I would say it would be wise to check the recording software documentation before using a setup like that. If I remember correctly Cakewalk recommends not doing it for Sonar, otherwise I would have.:D Too much traveling around on the same drive thus reducing speed.

Seperate drives are acceptable for Sonar though.
 
Partitioning saved my life!! (sort of). Some sh*t happened to windows, virus or something that F*cked it up entirely, and meant i lost everything on my c:\
If i'd never partitioned anything i would have lost EVERYTHING. I keep 5 Gb aside for C:\ which is JUST for windows and system files. Even applications i keep on another drive, so if i trash the c:\ and reinstall windows, i will still need to reinstall applications properly, but at least i dont lose save files etc. Believe me, ive lost stuff before i used to partition and it was hell. The worst thing you can do is have a 120Gb that is all in one big chunk. What if windows decides to throw a wobbly and your c:\ poos up? You gonna lose all your precious wav samples, .flp files, vst's, mp3s, not to mention all your porn .......
 
For $2K, you can build something really amazing. I'll put something together and post it in the next couple of days.
 
yeah for 2K you can build a monster machine... but don't forget to include the soundcard :) I'd build it all around that tbh.

:)

MM
 
The only things I have to add are:

I think the price point has moved on on cpu chips. Unless you're trying to shave all your costs (and at $2K for the computer you clearly don't have to do that), I'd go for at least a 2.4 gHz P4, that's where the sweet spot on price has been for a while.

Asus boards tend to have a great rep and they'd be at or near the top of my list. I've also had excellent experience with my iWill board.

HD space: the more the better, but by many accounts you'll get a performance edge by using one HD for apps and OS and one for data. Partitioning appears to be a marginal issue. I've seen people recommend against partitioning with the audio data on the partition and I've seen people recommend it. I lean away from it but I suspect there's no hit from the partition itself, if you wanted to keep a mirror copy of your OS on it or some such while you have your OS, apps, and audio data on the main partition. (As I understand it, too, it's supposedly the read head "skipping" around the HD to service the OS and the audio data. I've also read/heard very convincing descriptions of why this happens anyway whether or not there's an intervening partition. So... who knows.)

But a separate partition is not nearly as safe as a separate HD.

And if you use a separate HD, you'll probably want to make sure it's on its own IDE channel. The recommendation I've seen is: OS/apps HD on first channel by itself. Audio data HD on the second channel as master and CDR as slave. Or even use an open PCI slot to put in the fasted IDE controller available feeding drive(s) to match. (So that the HDs don't have to share a channel with a CD...)

And, of course, even if you don't go with a separate controller (overkill, I think for most of us) you absolutely want to get a MB with the latest IDE controller standard on it (Fast-ATA-133 still it?) and HD's to match (although if you can only afford one very fast HD it's best to make it the audio data drive -- since most apps/OS don't require anywhere near the amount of data transfer that your audio data will if you're doing heavy lifting.

With regards to drives: I myself stay away from exotic high RPM drives (10,000 and 12,000 RPM drives). It's true that you'll get the ultimate performance from one of these hooked up to a fast SCSI controller -- but many of the HD horror stories I've heard in recent years involved high speed drives.

That said, I haven't heard hardly any HD hardware failures involving consumer drives in recent years. And in 18 years of desktop computing, I've only had one HD fail (although I have had bad software corrupt drives on occasion. The old AOL installer and update software was notorious for corrupting HDs. Also Apple's QuickTime has been known to corrupt Windows HD's on installation. It's rare but it has happened -- to me (and I also had QT corrupt my BIOS, something I didn't think was possible but, since there was no other reasonable explanation (the QT install killed the machine right there and ONLY re-flashing the BIOS got it running again after an ENORMOUS diagnostic effort that involved swapping everything but the MB, CPU, and RAM... which was how I came to the conclusion I should re-flash the BIOS).

Anyhow, that one HD I did have a hardware failure with was mounted transversely (sideways) rather than horizontal to the ground. My former hardware guru told me that wasn't a problem with modern HDs but I think I outgrew him and the level of advice he offered (my new slogan: No master, no teacher, no guru: no BS.)

Recently I've used Maxtor (about 3 years ago), IBM (about 2 years ago) and Western Digital. And even though that one dead HD was a WD, I still recommend WD. They run noticeably quieter than the IBM (a 60 GB) and Maxtor (a 20 GB -- both were 7200 RPM ATA). I'm now running an 80 GB and a 160 GB WD.

One caveat: STAY AWAY from that stupid software that WD and others put in their HD packages to "help" you with older OS's or BIOS's that don't natively support large partitions. If you've got a HD that's bigger than your OS or Bios can address directly -- partition it!!!

Don't mess with the remapping software! (In fact, when I installed the 160 GB recently, I was foggy headed -- no coffee yet -- and got confused about how big a drive I could support (running XP Home -- btw, if you do any computer developing or use your computer to VPN or network with XP Pro networks DO NOT get XP Home. I wish to heck I hadn't decided to save the dough... but that might not effect you and XP Home is otherwise fine) -- anyhow, foggy headed, I thought for a few moments that I would have to run the WD software -- but it crashed when I tried to install it. THinking the disk that came with the HD must be buggy I DL'd the latest version from the WD site and IT crashed too! Anyhow, I reread my material and realized I shouldn't have any problems addressing the full 160 (or actually the 152 or so MB that it actually works out to). I just installed the drive and formatted it and everything is fine.


Finally... I know it can go both ways, but I'd be a bit leery of a MB with a built-in soundcard. Windows usually supports multiple sound cards with no problems whatsoever (I've run multiple audio devices since '96 but before Plug-n-Play was perfected it could be a ***** getting things in agreement. But after Win98 things were pretty slick.) If you want a SoundBlaster for gaming and/or for the Emu-designed SoundFont synthesizer built into them, I think I'd go with one on a discrete PCI card. I've heard stories of SB chipsets on MBs not supporting the full range of SB functionality. In fact, I know at least one person who disabled the SB built onto their MB and bought a $30 SB Live PCI card (they also had a pro-sumer card they used for audio recording but they were big into Sound FOnts).
 
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THANKS!!! everyones feed back has been excelent and given me heaps to look at before buying....answered all my questions and then some...:victory: :victory: :victory:
 
AMD Athlon XP System

CPU Athlon XP 2200+ $150
CPU Cooler Coolermaster DP6-6131C-0C $15
Motherboard Asus A7V333 $130
Memory 512MB Corsair XMS2700 $160
Graphics 64MB GeForce4 Ti 4200 (29.42 drivers) $138
Hard Drive 40GB Western Digital WDD400BB, 7200RPM $70
Optical Storage Toshiba SD-R1202 DVD-ROM/CD-RW Drive $85
Floppy 3.5" generic $12
Audio Audigy OEM $60
Keyboard Microsoft Internet Keyboard $25
Mouse Logitech Optical $15
Case/PS Antec SX630II $72
Operating System Windows XP Home $85
Total Cost
$1,017


Intel Pentium 4 System

CPU Pentium 4 2.26GHz $205
Motherboard Iwill P4R533 $145
Memory 2x128MB Samsung PC1066 RIMMs $140
Graphics MSI GeForce4 Ti 4200 64MB $138
Floppy Disk Mitsumi 1.44MB, 3.5" $12
Hard Drive WD400BB 7200RPM $70
Optical Storage Toshiba SD-R1202 Combo drive $85
Audio Audigy OEM $60
Keyboard Microsoft Internet Pro $25
Mouse Logitech Optical $15
Case/PS Antec SX630II $72
Operating System Windows XP Home Edition $85
Total Cost $1,052


With either of these systems I would go with about a gig of RAM (Just double price), a bigger hard drive, a better sound card, DVD+-R,RW drive (Sony DRU510 is the shizzle, about 300) and a mess of DVD RW disks(really probably about 5, 5x4.7GB? thats alot.)

Get the DVDs so you could store all of your samples on there. You don't want to have that on your hard drive incase it fails. You can also back up your crucial files with one of those disks.

Later on you can get an External hard drive for back up. oh yeah...save 20 bucks and forget the floppy dirve. What could you possibly do with those disks?

You can't go wrong with these parts. Probably about 1500US all together.

lata..
 
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Just get a Mac

Hey man i got a compaq presario that has 80GB and they told me just to get a sound card which is $200 and ram. But instead of just gettin all this all you have to get is a simple Apple Computer. For 2k u can get the new G5 which Im saving up for but im getting the $3,000 one. Mac's are built for STUDIOS MAN they are strictly for sound and editing. My cousin is a rapper and he uses an G3 which is an older version and he gets PERFECT sound and didnt have to buy anything for his comp. (for sound). All you have to do after that is get a good program(s). I recommend Digital Performer 4( or Emagic Logic Audio Platinum 6) and a beat making software and the perfect one is Reason 2.5 (you will find these programs are used by many professional artists. And there are 160GB on the HD
 
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