Intimidation Mixers

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Hello all,

I have a few mixers left that are new if anyones interested that I will let go soon. Ive given up the battle of the DJ market for other battles and hence intimidation is no longer the beast it once was. In the mean time I see you have all been blessed with many many copies of our concepts. Thats fine by me, someone had to give them some ideas ha.

Steve
 
HI there!

Intimidation was a big influence for other manufacturers? please tell us more about all of this. I am more on the "composing" side of music. Others will love to hear more about your stuff too

Hey welcome to the community by the way!
 
Steve Im interesetd in Intimidation mixers. I think they rock *** anyday ! I wanted to buy a DON II but couldnt find a dealer in the us or in singapore. What have u got to offer ?
 
Intimidation were the first guys to bring out a mixer with kill switches ala the BLUE ! It had blue led's too ! So chic ! The DON II was the epitome of creative mixers ! The APEX is probably the phatest little mixer around ! All knobs and just one fader thats the crossfader !. Their kill units were the first stand alone units in the market. I loved thier ad campaign ! ID4 or ID5 or something like that. Can remember exactly this was way back when I just started to DJ. I remember droolin on the reviews for the BLUE !
 
Hello guys,

Thanks for your regards.

So you want to know more! Well I've got 60 minutes and will try to spend it well. I will try and give you a little glimpse from my perspective (I have never done so before!). Please excuse lack of grammar. I am Steve Carroll, the designer and director of Intimidation. I am 30 years old, I started Intimidation when I was 21. A bit early maybe or maybe not. I didn't study or obtain any qualifications (except one year part time electronics) however started my war with the soldering iron when I was about 10, I left school at 14 and went to work, in a little shop fixing TV's, by the time I was about 18 the summer of love, 87-88 was kicking off, I was still waving my soldering iron about and living up in kings cross, (10 minutes walk home from Busbys). Just what you needed late on Saturday night. Naturally all my friends were DJs. I had been brought up in Brixton, around the reggae industry. I was quite well known in Brixton as Mr fix it and as a result was brought in to fix up a lot of the sound systems around at the time. For you that know the sound system world, its an endowed industry that specialises in using one deck, loads of amps and loads of effects with a lot of echo. That was a valuable education for me, my roots have always stemmed from their. At that time the DJ industry was in its infancy and kicking, new and fresh, however the mixers kept breaking and were, well black and crap. By this time I was working in Tottenham court Road, selling electronic gadgets, soon enough I had the shop selling DJ mixers and was ordering loads of the old NuMARK not to be confused with the present company that uses the name. Those were the best Mixers about in their day. Quite expensive as well, £1300 for the 1975, but then you all know that. Well they were interesting but had gone down the sampler line and didn't have any other direction. The history of these mixers had originally stemmed from another world that being the world of scaled down studio mixers aimed at Mobil DJs, Lots of sad graphics and features like stereo, graphics for each speakers etc, It was like the designers for these products had no idea what was required and had never been to a club in their lives (that turned out to be true). on top of that the mixers kept breaking especially the expensive ones. The little favourite @ the time was the old MRT 60, great names. Well being slightly frustrated with this whole affair I set out to do something about it. @ the time I did not know I was building Intimidation but was fired up and had a passion for my plight in great abundance. Now not having a classical education I was not limited to the dogmatic plan and did much better without it. I firmly advocate against a formal education as I believe it is more like an indoctrination process! Not the ingredients needed to allow some little upstart to enter the murky world of design, manufacturing and distribution. However I was taught my best electronic skills by one of the best electronic engineers the country 'Bill Kelsey' who went on to be my mentor, being someone whom knew the music industry (albeit in another era) and without him and Denis I would never have been able to do what we did. Denis came on board at the beginning of the DON 2, but that's jumping ahead a bit. I arrived at Bills office with a box of tricks for which I had been working on for about 18 months, Bill laughed and started about putting me right, he became a very close friend and taught me the art of elegance, for which I'm sure you all appreciate. I had the basic concept for the Challenger 1, (my first mixer) It had kills, 8 channels, Slaughter chamber, two graphic EQs (One for the left deck, the other for the right deck) contrary to the one each speaker affair, digital echo chamber, cross fader for the headphones, it was a nice phat mixer, with a load of new innovative features, it took 3 years to finish with many trials and tribulations along the way, thank the lord for the dreaded weed! @ the time of finishing it I had raised just enough money to build 50 of them, that took six months alone... well as some may know the unit was a big success and we spent the next year, me and Ben, building the units in my house and selling them directly to the public, I had a load of trouble with the retail sector very early on as they were used to dictating the profit margins of the products and were demanding 50% mark ups for just selling the units. I was having none of it and decided to distribute and retail the units personally, which was a great laugh, people would arrive at my flat in south London, have a smoke and pick up their unit, I think they liked that as well, cause they could just pick up the phone and speak to me, many of the very early customers are still close friends. Well the income just about paid for a trip to the Germany Frankfurt exhibition, the biggest for this sector. By that time I had the basic concept and prototype for 'The Don', the products were received very well in Germany, in fact Intimidation was considered as one of the little stars of the show, along with another little British company you all know 'Novation'. We picked up a load of distributors world wide, and soon the demand started to rocket. From then on it became a major rush as if it hadn't been already. About 6 months later I released the Don and by that time their was a lot of speculation in the market, basically everyone was screaming at me for stock, I was having the usual problems with manufacture, (supply of components). The mixer was received well and turned the market upside down. Everyone trying to find out who this intimidation lot were. We soon became known as axe wielding south Londoner's because of a few little territory wars. The retailers by this time were all forced to come around to my way of thinking and accepted the low margins I offered them (18%), they never forgave me for this and always eagerly awaited my downfall, whilst begging for more stock as they couldn't sell enough... The company grew and we moved into a little unit and I took possession back of my flat, as by this time it was a full-on manufacturing centre. I wasn't happy with the Don 1 but was forced to bring it out because funding demanded it, having the usual problems with manufacturing for for the DON 2 (supply) again instead designed and launched the Kill Switch unit, all in about 2 months, to raise much needed cash. It was also a big success and saved our bacon, whilst I carried on designing the Don 2 until I was happy with it, which was also well received when it was finally released and by this time we could do no wrong. Or so it would seem, I took a back seat from the front end of the company and I started again designing this time 'Blue'. Ben got on with manufacture, the problem really with Ben was he was great at making things but could have been a bit better at the manufacturing processes, he ordered enough components for 800 Dons over the next 4 months to ensure no more of these little supply problems (which was the supply of 200 per month before Christmas). However albeit that sales were at 200 per month before Christmas, after Christmas was a different story and by the time February had hit home, I started to realise something might be up. Ben had been off taking holidays as he had done a hard year, and ended up ill which kept him away for a few months. 800 Don components and about 300 sales left me in serious debt. (about 250K) anyway (whilst trying to squeeze it back in) I gambled and borrowed another £70k worth of components from the suppliers and hoped that we would trade out of trouble, albeit we were technically insolvent. Blue as you all know was a lovely little gem, in many ways, it was a hard year but we paid everyone back, Blue strutted its stuff and took the market by the neck. We didn't go under and managed to balance the books again. As usual I continued running the business daily and at night with Denis designing Apex, that took another year and again we launched it in Frankfurt, yet again it exploded, by this time we had one unit out in every price bracket and were considered a real contender for the mixer market. I was 27 years old and had done what I set out to do, we had maximum respect and had taken the world-wide market by storm except America, I wanted that one for my self. I set off and spent a year going back and forth personally setting up the USA operation. We were very well received as usual by the public but were receiving much unwanted attention from the home boys. In fact you could say we pissed of some major players. I was just playing around, but these others were conspiring to see about my downfall, in fact ALL the other players were playing against us directly, one by one they set about coping the concepts and undercutting us with cheap Chinese copies of our own designs. Behind the scenes their was many other games being played, it was like playing a part in a conspiracy move, I wont go into details but imagine what disgruntled human beings will do to whilst under pressure, some of which being more familiar with the term intimidation than we were. At this point I had really had enough of the silly games and the pathetic nature of these people. I was interested in making good mixers, I did that well, the others were flattering to begin with until they started getting desperate. Then their true nature was displayed. Nasty twisted little ****s who would stop at nothing until I stooped. (including infiltrating the company). I had already finished, I finished when I completed Apex, I achieved what I set out to do, and could never hope to top it. I was no longer passionate, but hungry for a new challenge, a bigger challenge. I took a back seat and put my soldering iron down and picked up my next weapon the book. Since then I have been having a much needed rest. Bill and Denis both passed away in the same week (believe it), the boss must be working on something big! Since then I have been set some new challenges and am heavily researching other brain teasers, albeit in other areas, but which are as relevant to our generation as they could be but which I consider to be much more important. I will not elaborate further but leave your imagine to ponder, except for saying I hope to contribute further to the challenges we have been set.

Hope you enjoyed my little story.

All the best.

Steve
 
Steve,

Maximum respect to you. ;)


I too drooled over the Blue and the APEX. Without these we wouldn't have mixers the way we have them now.

I wish you the best of luck in life and future projects.

Russ
 
Steve ! Ur my IDOL !!! I hope u go and whack major *** real soon ! Ur mixers were the first mixers i laid eyes on in the dj mag when i was starting out ! Big thumbs up for u ! :D

Do let me know if u have any mixers left. Im interesetd in buying a few. Thanx a bunch for the history of Intimidation !
 
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Steve
 
Hi Steve !!

Thanks for designing such an amazing mixer,well ahead of it's time.I bought mine from Sound division in London,in the early 90's,and it was used and abused at some amazing parties !!

I still have it here in my studio,don't have the heart to let it go,as it was such an integral part of the Cambridge free party and club scene at the time,had some of the worlds best Dj's use it,
Was a little bit temperamental at times,but I heard that was because the main circuit board was over populated,but using something like that in a field,mostly in the rain,it was hardly surprising that it wouldn't do it any good,used to get it serviced regularly.
The sound that came out of this mixer was by far better than anything else,in the price range.
Thanks once again !! Your a legend,wish you the best of luck for your future projects
 
The Don II Power Supply

Hi Steve !!

Thanks for designing such an amazing mixer,well ahead of it's time.I bought mine from Sound division in London,in the early 90's,and it was used and abused at some amazing parties !!

I still have it here in my studio,don't have the heart to let it go,as it was such an integral part of the Cambridge free party and club scene at the time,had some of the worlds best Dj's use it,
Was a little bit temperamental at times,but I heard that was because the main circuit board was over populated,but using something like that in a field,mostly in the rain,it was hardly surprising that it wouldn't do it any good,used to get it serviced regularly.
The sound that came out of this mixer was by far better than anything else,in the price range.
Thanks once again !! Your a legend,wish you the best of luck for your future projects

Hi, I have a Don II mixer but have lost my power supply :/ do u know where I could get one or what the power supply is called?
 
Hello all,

I have a few mixers left that are new if anyones interested that I will let go soon. Ive given up the battle of the DJ market for other battles and hence intimidation is no longer the beast it once was. In the mean time I see you have all been blessed with many many copies of our concepts. Thats fine by me, someone had to give them some ideas ha.

Steve
Hello Steve.
I hope you and yours are well.
I realize it's been some time since you've even been active in this forum but I thought I'd take a chance and reach out.

If I'm not mistaken, I believe we met when I worked at AST Sound at 250 West Broadway, in NYC. I was very hyped up about Intimidation and did all I could to raise interest in your fantastic mixers. The owners of the store did not really share my interest in Intimidation and I suspect they just didn't understand the potential there was for success in the U.S. market.
It was certainly their loss though.

In any event, I myself own an APEX and a close friend bought a DON2. Both mixers are a bit long in the tooth as they say and we'd like to get them worked on but could really use schematics to facilitate getting them refurbished.

I know it's a long shot but would you still have copies of those schematic drawings, or at least point me in the direction of where I might find such?

I hope you see this and look forward to hearing back from you!

DonHozy
 

DonHozy hey, its steve. I have no circuit diagrams anymore sorry, they would have made very nice art works too. But I have some tips for you. On the Apex you can change the fader as its VCA and anything nice quality at the same size should fit and work. Pro tip, The Apex S/N ratio would be improved dramatically if you upgraded the power supply using voltage regulators to +-15vdc. To do this is not easy as you would need to build an external unit, but someone who has a decent power supply with +-15vdc could work out how to do it. So there is this outfit that I think are up to the job. The reason for the power supply change is that on Apex to keep it as a budget mixer I scaled down the power supply unit. If you see the Don power supply which would be something like what were talking about here, they cost about 80 UKP to make, more than the cost of the mixer at the time. So with some clever design choices and keeping the consumption low (removing flashing lights) I managed to run it without heatsinks and regulators, but the s/n ratio suffered a little. But if you were interested in maximizing the sound quality and budget was not an issue you can really move the dial there. Also as the phono sockets had no cut off switch (scaling) then to improve the S/N you need to just short out the inputs (close the circuit) if you are NOT using decks. This will cut out white noise from being picked up, amplified and entering the system, there was a note on this in the instructions but that detail got lost on many. The Don is a whole different engineering system very complex so you need a pro to try and work out issues there, but all the ICs are on release mounts and the main issues were always changing pots and controls. Not an easy unit to work out though without schematics.​

 
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