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    Whatsup people...

    Well, I have 1200's and of course love them--they've given me no real problems. However, when I spin hip-hop it's really tough to mix with only +/- 8% pitch to control things, and when a hip-hop choon is playing at +8%, for instance, the rapper's voice sounds like a chipmunk... techno/house/trance is all good though....

    My question is, I've been REALLY considering selling my 1200's, pocketing the extra cash, and diving into Denon DP-DJ151's. They look REALLY sweet guys--they have a higher torque motor than the Technics (WOW!), have +/- 12% pitch which would solve my problems mixing hip-hop, and get this, they have realtime key adjust/time stretch to keep those rapper's voices in check. All this, while I'm sure they kick just as much *** for techno and DMC with all that torque.

    Now I have NO first-hand experience with these--I haven't seen them around 'cept for the 'net. But they look completely killer, and I'd be willing to sell my 1200's to get them if they can back up their specs, and that's saying A LOT FOLKS!

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    Chris

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    if i were u i wouldnt sell ur techis.
    there is a piece of gadgetry called vinyl touch (i think thats what its called )that keeps maintains key at any pitch on the turntable similar to what the denon does.
    u should be able to find it at http://www.htfr.co.uk
    i know there is a way of increasing the pitch range on the 1200's it requires u to open ur deck up and change some settings. i think dj thy would be able to fill u in on it.
    ive seen the denons up close. never worked with them. the guy who was using it said that it felt a bit light. im not qsure what exactly he meant by "light".

    so the bottom line is. if ur keen on a change then sell ur techis and go out and buy the denons.
    if ur happy with pluggin in a 1 u rack mountable gadget that does the job of keeping the chipmunks out then go get the gadeget from http://www.htfr.co.uk, im sure opening up the techi shouldnt be too much of a bother either.

    let us know what u plan to do
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    One thing I see people overseeing when considering decks is the feedback (rambling), maybe that´s what ur friend meant by Denons "feeling light". I´m saying so because a couple of friends tested the TT1 from Numark and considered the features, built and specs rather amazing but when put to test in clubs they found´em to have much feedback from the pumping soundsystem, it was noticeable enough for their tastes. Maybe the base material and design, as in many other decks, should be more solid but who knows?

    Vestaxes are touted as the least affected by this problem w/ their ASTS arms and design, w/ the 1200 following close (well, not SO close as u have to "insulate" them and put them on a rather solid support to minimize the ramble), but I can´t say for the Denons - they are excellent decks in all ways, powerfull and fast and precise (I tested a pair and loved´em too), but one should look for the use one will give to a deck and consider the performance in the real world before make a decision. If a TT never see any action in a rave, big gig or a club, then IMO there´s not much difference between them all - actually the new breed from Numark, Denon and Vestax beat the 1200 in features and specs dept.! But if going for professional use, feedback should be considered IMO.

    Alex TC in the mix! Regards to all.
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    Thanks guys for the replies...

    I did some digging and found that the Denon's wow and flutter is around 0.2% wrms whereas the 1200's are around 0.01% wrms. I am actually scared by that Denon spec cuz I think +/-0.2% pitch is enough to through off a tightly mixed set. Maybe I'm just anal, but that seems like a terrible spec and if you are mixing 140bpm trance, for instance, I think 0.2% is enough to through a long mix off. No matter what the Denon can do, that number scares me and they should have really considered a more accurate motor. Geminis even have a better wow/flutter than that!

    Also, I thought about it, since the DP-DJ151 doesn't require a groundwire and is "digital" as an output, I am reasoning that no matter what you do, there is a Analog-to-Digital conversion within the turntable, so there will NEVER be any soft analog sound. I know this isn't a big deal, but the concept of all digital sound coming out of a turntable kinda "weirds" me out. It would be GREAT for recording apps, however.

    So you are right that we should consider how these things work in real life situations.

    Thanks for the advice about the external pitch-altering gadget--I didn't know about that and it sounds great.

    Also, I was aware through the grapevine that you can change the pitch range of the 1200's, but have never seen it done first hand. Is it safe? Are there any drawbacks? Does anyone have any first-hand experience?

    Thanks!
    Chris

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    Glad we could help. I think ur question about altering pitch range on the 1200's should be pointed at DJ Thy ! He would be the right one to ask. He is a moderator here. i suggest u start a new thread asking for thy's help !
    Until u mentioned wow and flutter I thought i was the only techno crazy geek ! Ah it feels good to not be alone !

    let us know how it goes

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    Oh yes and another thing ! The wow and flutter on the denon is probably that high because of all the digital wizardry going on inside it (key control function) Im not quite sure if it would affect a tightly mixed set. give me a days or so, ill go do some digging on that !
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    The 1200 are so simple to open up and fuss around u'd be amazed at how easy it is to alter pitch and brake ranges. Too bad I can't (actually, I dunno!)post a picture of the internals showing exactly which one do what, but if I'm not wrong the components are id-ed w/ some sort of mark to them (like "brake" and "pitch") writen in the circuitry support. Just pull up the platter, unscrew the bits, open up and check inside carefully. They are two small modulators, to be set using a small screwdriver or philips tool. The only drawback I see, and it's a minor one actually, is the pitch ruler won't be accurate ie when showing, say, 6% (pitch button in the #6) it'll be actually more but that's nothing...

    BTW, Technics has a close-to-zero wow and flutter due to their motor/drive system, which for his turn is a patented concept - therefore no one else is able to copycat the system or its performance, pretty much like the ASTS tone arms of the Vestax (real improvement!). But perfoamnce-wise I'd be ok w/ the Denon specs in that dept as u can control pitch and it's not that much afected anyway, but the feedback and ramble I mentioned in my post above (some say rumble, but whatever...) can't be controled and depends on vibrations and sounds affecting the tonearm and the base of the TT - THAT affects the output sound and THAT really scares me (like having a worse cart and stylus than the previous dj at the club - hehehe!!!).

    Regards,

    Alex TC

    P.S. Wow, just checked and this is my 100th post! Cool!!! I think I'll put up a party to celebrate that... hehehe. Can't have enough parties, even the healing form a flu or cold is reason enough!!!

    [Edited by Alex TC on 12-13-2000 at 09:10 AM]
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    Talking hehehe...

    And rest assured u're not the only techno geek around, Trikmaster...
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    thats for sure !!!
    i feel so much better aldready !
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    Way to go Alex ! you are now a soldier !
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